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	<title>Comments on: EEVblog #16 &#8211; All about CMOS SCR Latchup</title>
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		<title>By: ac</title>
		<link>http://www.eevblog.com/2009/07/04/eevblog-16-all-about-cmos-scr-latchup/comment-page-1/#comment-18679</link>
		<dc:creator>ac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 19:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wil: The word &quot;latch&quot; implies the &quot;everlasting&quot; effect.


Now what I&#039;d like to see is, lets say I just got my first PIC/Atmel whatever and want to put it to a breadboard. What&#039;s the tidiest way of implementing all these ESD protections and possible terminations for incoming data? I heard there&#039;s technology to build the chips so they don&#039;t have these ESD issues, why aren&#039;t Microchip etc using that technology? Or if they are, well let me know!

I haven&#039;t even got started with the micros I got in my deskdrawer because I&#039;m afraid just taking them out of the bag will kill them! (Another note: I notice some shops don&#039;t ship their chips etc in the static shielding bags!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wil: The word &#8220;latch&#8221; implies the &#8220;everlasting&#8221; effect.</p>
<p>Now what I&#8217;d like to see is, lets say I just got my first PIC/Atmel whatever and want to put it to a breadboard. What&#8217;s the tidiest way of implementing all these ESD protections and possible terminations for incoming data? I heard there&#8217;s technology to build the chips so they don&#8217;t have these ESD issues, why aren&#8217;t Microchip etc using that technology? Or if they are, well let me know!</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t even got started with the micros I got in my deskdrawer because I&#8217;m afraid just taking them out of the bag will kill them! (Another note: I notice some shops don&#8217;t ship their chips etc in the static shielding bags!)</p>
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		<title>By: Wil Easton</title>
		<link>http://www.eevblog.com/2009/07/04/eevblog-16-all-about-cmos-scr-latchup/comment-page-1/#comment-18064</link>
		<dc:creator>Wil Easton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks Dave for these wonderful videos.  As an ex-professional electronics/avionics engineer I can&#039;t get enough...  As well as being knowledgeable, your method of presenting is totally addictive in the same way that first delving into Horowitz &amp; Hill was all those years ago!!

On the topic of CMOS latch-up I enjoyed your explanation on the whiteboard but think you may have overlooked one vital point, unless of course I wasn&#039;t paying enough attention (which is quite possible!).  The key point is this - even when a short-lived initial stimulus is removed, the latch-up *continues* to short-circuit the device because Q1 turns-on Q2 and vice-versa, forming an everlasting closed-loop, and it is this internal state which disables device operation and can lead to permanent damage to the device.

I don&#039;t know if you want ideas for future episodes, but what about covering signals with fast rising &amp; falling edges, ground-bounce, and the need for controlled impedances &amp; terminations?  Regards and best wishes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks Dave for these wonderful videos.  As an ex-professional electronics/avionics engineer I can&#8217;t get enough&#8230;  As well as being knowledgeable, your method of presenting is totally addictive in the same way that first delving into Horowitz &amp; Hill was all those years ago!!</p>
<p>On the topic of CMOS latch-up I enjoyed your explanation on the whiteboard but think you may have overlooked one vital point, unless of course I wasn&#8217;t paying enough attention (which is quite possible!).  The key point is this &#8211; even when a short-lived initial stimulus is removed, the latch-up *continues* to short-circuit the device because Q1 turns-on Q2 and vice-versa, forming an everlasting closed-loop, and it is this internal state which disables device operation and can lead to permanent damage to the device.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you want ideas for future episodes, but what about covering signals with fast rising &amp; falling edges, ground-bounce, and the need for controlled impedances &amp; terminations?  Regards and best wishes.</p>
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		<title>By: walter delbono</title>
		<link>http://www.eevblog.com/2009/07/04/eevblog-16-all-about-cmos-scr-latchup/comment-page-1/#comment-3755</link>
		<dc:creator>walter delbono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>awesome video...

i have some nice imformation...

http://dev.emcelettronica.com/latch-protection-mosfet-drivers

and...

http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/00763c.pdf?from=rss

&lt;3 eevblog &lt;3

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awesome video&#8230;</p>
<p>i have some nice imformation&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://dev.emcelettronica.com/latch-protection-mosfet-drivers" rel="nofollow">http://dev.emcelettronica.com/latch-protection-mosfet-drivers</a></p>
<p>and&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/00763c.pdf?from=rss" rel="nofollow">http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/00763c.pdf?from=rss</a></p>
<p>&lt;3 eevblog &lt;3</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.eevblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SCR Latchup = inadvertent creation of a crowbar circuit between power and ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SCR Latchup = inadvertent creation of a crowbar circuit between power and ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabrina Holmes</title>
		<link>http://www.eevblog.com/2009/07/04/eevblog-16-all-about-cmos-scr-latchup/comment-page-1/#comment-1844</link>
		<dc:creator>Sabrina Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest using a fast schottky diode (0.3v drop) to stay clear of the -0.6v or 5.6v.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest using a fast schottky diode (0.3v drop) to stay clear of the -0.6v or 5.6v.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great advice guys, My roommate has a special motor he built that i hooked it up to, looks pretty cool on the scope!!! :)

Also built a simple 555 circuit and played with it.

Thanks for all the help guys,

And Dave, the website you linked was very helpfull, Thanks again.

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice guys, My roommate has a special motor he built that i hooked it up to, looks pretty cool on the scope!!! <img src='http://www.eevblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also built a simple 555 circuit and played with it.</p>
<p>Thanks for all the help guys,</p>
<p>And Dave, the website you linked was very helpfull, Thanks again.</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hoskins</title>
		<link>http://www.eevblog.com/2009/07/04/eevblog-16-all-about-cmos-scr-latchup/comment-page-1/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Hoskins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Learning to drive scope is a little bit like learning to drive a car.  I&#039;m sure you could find some theoretical stuff on it which would arm you with a good background in the basics, but in the end the only *real* way to become a good driver is to get out and learn for yourself.  And, as with all things, practice makes perfect.

So yeah, read some stuff - find out what timebase is, find out what a trigger is, etc.  Then after that the only way forwards is to use it on some real life applications.

Brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Learning to drive scope is a little bit like learning to drive a car.  I&#8217;m sure you could find some theoretical stuff on it which would arm you with a good background in the basics, but in the end the only *real* way to become a good driver is to get out and learn for yourself.  And, as with all things, practice makes perfect.</p>
<p>So yeah, read some stuff &#8211; find out what timebase is, find out what a trigger is, etc.  Then after that the only way forwards is to use it on some real life applications.</p>
<p>Brian</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, the biggest issue you&#039;ll face when learning to work with an oscilloscope is where to get some signals from. Without some input signals it gets rather boring, quickly. And the built-in probe calibration signal generator is not very interesting.

So my advice is that you grap a couple of transistors, OpAmps, 555th, MCUs, or whatever you like, and build a few signal generators. The web is full of schematics for building simple sawtooth, rectangular, and sine wave generators, with a couple of the aforementioned components.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, the biggest issue you&#8217;ll face when learning to work with an oscilloscope is where to get some signals from. Without some input signals it gets rather boring, quickly. And the built-in probe calibration signal generator is not very interesting.</p>
<p>So my advice is that you grap a couple of transistors, OpAmps, 555th, MCUs, or whatever you like, and build a few signal generators. The web is full of schematics for building simple sawtooth, rectangular, and sine wave generators, with a couple of the aforementioned components.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post as per usual David.  As much as I love the wonderful equipment reviews, it is especially nice seeing some very relevant theory and applications.  Please keep it coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post as per usual David.  As much as I love the wonderful equipment reviews, it is especially nice seeing some very relevant theory and applications.  Please keep it coming!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a tough one, don&#039;t know any good beginner tutorials off-hand. Plenty of info on the web of course, googling &quot;oscilloscope tutorial&quot; brings up plenty of stuff, some good, some bad I&#039;m sure - but how to wade through it all?
This looks pretty comprehensive at first glance:
http://www.hobbyprojects.com/oscilloscope_tutorial.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a tough one, don&#8217;t know any good beginner tutorials off-hand. Plenty of info on the web of course, googling &#8220;oscilloscope tutorial&#8221; brings up plenty of stuff, some good, some bad I&#8217;m sure &#8211; but how to wade through it all?<br />
This looks pretty comprehensive at first glance:<br />
<a href="http://www.hobbyprojects.com/oscilloscope_tutorial.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hobbyprojects.com/oscilloscope_tutorial.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting info,

Dave, I received my oscilloscope (DS1052E), do you have any good advise as far as how I can learn to properly use this thing? a course or a book perhaps?

You seem to know your stuff (possible understatement), any advise would be great!

First time scope owner, and I&#039;m a cheapskate too.

Thanks! Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting info,</p>
<p>Dave, I received my oscilloscope (DS1052E), do you have any good advise as far as how I can learn to properly use this thing? a course or a book perhaps?</p>
<p>You seem to know your stuff (possible understatement), any advise would be great!</p>
<p>First time scope owner, and I&#8217;m a cheapskate too.</p>
<p>Thanks! Eric</p>
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