Comments on: EEVblog #70 – Turn your Rigol DS1052E Oscilloscope into a 100MHz DS1102E (Hack)

By: Light26

Light26 — Fri, 05 Aug 2011 05:58:20 +0000

Hi everybody and thanks for your nice forum,

Could you please let me know if my Rigol DS1052E I just bought a with a calibration certificat issued in March 2011 can still be upgraded to 100MHz.
Thanks a lot
Light

By: EEVblog

EEVblog — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 08:41:47 +0000

Ask on the EEVblog forum, those guys have it all down pat!

By: Josh

Josh — Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:07:20 +0000

The new ones are coming with version 2.05 SP1
Has anyone tried the hack with the New firmware?

Thanks!

By: Vincent-Germany

Vincent-Germany — Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:24:48 +0000

Hallo

Does anybody knows if it still works with the Model that you can order now ?
I think the Software Version is diffrent !

Vince

By: kdw

kdw — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 23:55:26 +0000

Hi Dave,

It seems that the most recent firmware (2.04.0003) can no longer be hacked using the method showed by you and other users on the forum?

Could anyone confirm?

By: Pablo

Pablo — Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:38:23 +0000

Dave, I have a DS1052E with 00.02.02 SP2 FW, the hack worked at once. Thank you very much!! Do you know what changed in FW 02.04? should I upgrade? I haven’t been able to find a change log from Rigol.

Best wishes

By: bbrown914

bbrown914 — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:31:44 +0000

09/02/10 – Just received new DS1052E, downgraded firmware from 02.04 to 02.01, applied hack as Dave described (except used ctrl+J for line feed instead of alt+010), hack worked. Upgraded firmware back to 02.04.
Seems to have worked. Thanks!

By: Max

Max — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:28:19 +0000

Why not just buy a ATTEN ADS1102C 100MHz instead ?

Same scope…

By: Mike

Mike — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 05:34:11 +0000

This is a great mod, but I’m wondering if it will still work on a unit purchased today?

If it will, can somebody let me know where to get, or email me, the old and new firmware? I can’t find it, and all of what I read confirms that Rigol have removed all firmware from their support site.

Thanks!

Mike

By: drieg

drieg — Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:27:02 +0000

Wrong! It is also possible to turn any DS1xx2CA into DS1302CA, but it’s not as easy as with DS1000E/D series. The model info and the serial number is crypted in memory.

@ircident
FW downgrade will not help you here.

@PetrH
Real sampling rates are same, only Equ-time sampling rates differs due to different bandwidth.

By: PetrH

PetrH — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:10:28 +0000

Hi, u can’t hack DS1062CA to DS1102CA or DS1202CA to DS1302CA! Look to manufacturer website http://www.rigol.com/templates/T_Product_en/index.aspx?nodeid=741
They have diferent sample rate! Can u send me your serial number of DS1202CA? I have DS1102CA and want try update to DS1202CA.

Mail: petr.havlicek@petrh.cz

By: N.A.

N.A. — Sat, 29 May 2010 16:57:05 +0000

thats work thx

By: ircident

ircident — Tue, 25 May 2010 11:26:11 +0000

I just tried (and failed) to change the model number on a DS1062CA. I am on firmware 03.09.00.

Looking in the update file I can see the MODEL and SERIAL commands but they don’t seem to do anything.

Does anyone have earlier firmwares for this scope to try?

By: polossatik

polossatik — Thu, 20 May 2010 23:28:11 +0000

See this forum post for a step by step guide using USB
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=553.0

By: hackbert

hackbert — Thu, 20 May 2010 17:38:01 +0000

just got my new scope … with fw .04, so i downgraded step by step, means first to .02 then .01 (i tried the mod with .02, without sucsess). With fw version .01 i could do the mod,and it sticked when reupgrading (again step-by-step). Thanks for your great Work.

By: dentrix

dentrix — Sun, 16 May 2010 08:32:42 +0000

Thanks !
And where can I get safe firmwareversions:
02.01.01 and 02.04 (my recent) !
Would you please provide these versions !
Thanks, dentrix

By: dentrix

dentrix — Sun, 16 May 2010 08:29:46 +0000

Hi,Beauty !
>start Debug\demoIDN.exe

there is “visa32.dll” and “agvisa32.dll” missing.
Therefore demoIDN.exe does not run !

regards, dentrix

By: EEVblog

EEVblog — Fri, 14 May 2010 22:20:57 +0000

No, you have to downgrade the firmware first. See my latest update video on how to do this.

By: dentrix

dentrix — Fri, 14 May 2010 15:47:07 +0000

I have version 00.02.04. ordered it in Germany on 9th May 2010.
Does the hack #70 still work ???

By: Dave Malcman

Dave Malcman — Wed, 12 May 2010 17:00:24 +0000

OK, upgraded firmware to 00.02.04
Hack definately sticks.
Still have my A/C coupling problem
The problem is intermittent and changes between CH1 & CH2 every now and then, very odd.
I think the software is not able to bypass the input AC coupling cap. I wonder if it is a relay or the coupling is done in software?

By: EEVblog

EEVblog — Wed, 12 May 2010 12:50:07 +0000

@Dave
The hack sticks when you upgrade the firmware, up to version 2.04. See my more recent updated video showing this in action.

By: Dave Malcman

Dave Malcman — Wed, 12 May 2010 10:36:39 +0000

Hey that works great thanks Dave, however I have a problem.
I published an on going problem with my Rigol on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D5Hqm83B_A

Now I have ‘upgraded’ my 1052 to a 1102 I still have the coupling problem mentioned in my vid. Now, if I manage to upgrade the firmware I wonder if this will invalidate the hack?
I have Ver 00.02.02
I assume there is a 00.02.03? I have done many a search to find out how to upgrade the firmware but I still can’t findfirmware files or an uploader/flash.exe anywhere. I am still not sure if what I have is a firmware bug or just a problem with my Rigol..

By: Dave

Dave — Sun, 02 May 2010 17:30:49 +0000

Ya, I too am wondering if the 200Mhz DS1202CA can be hacked to the 300Mhz model. Has anyone tried this?

By: EEVblog

EEVblog — Sat, 01 May 2010 23:48:48 +0000

@waspinator
You just need the scope turned on, that’s it. try shorting the TX RX pins on the end of the cable to test your computer serial connection first.

By: waspinator

waspinator — Sat, 01 May 2010 18:03:33 +0000

ah, got it to work. turns out I had a different baud rate in the I/O setup on the scope. set it to 9600 and worked.
Thanks!

By: waspinator

waspinator — Sat, 01 May 2010 17:50:34 +0000

So I’m trying to get this to work, but typing in
*IDN? [hold ALT]+010 does not show anything. I set up hyper terminal the way it was explained, and the serial cable is straight through. Do I have to have the DS1052E in a special mode? or is it enough just to have it on?

Thanks

By: Dave J

Dave J — Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:45:32 +0000

Where do you download the different versions of Rigol firmware for the 1052e?

By: Tom

Tom — Tue, 20 Apr 2010 05:59:11 +0000

Hi!
Is there any good tutorial somewhere on the net
about DSO triggering modes. I dont know how to setup triggering on my rigol to capture i2c signals for example. Is it possible?
Thanks.

By: sankesa

sankesa — Sun, 18 Apr 2010 09:01:26 +0000

I upgraded it to 00.02.02, and tried several times, it worked! thanks very much!

By: sankesa

sankesa — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:53:01 +0000

I tried many times, however, I failed. Is it due to the firmware version? It’s 00.02.01 SP3, and I bought it last June.

By: Oliver

Oliver — Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:01:23 +0000

Worked great!
Thanks – saved me some money…

By: david

david — Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:30:53 +0000

“Did anyone ever try to revert the setting from DS1102E back to the original state?”

I’d love to know that too,
Whats with the warranty if you do this mod- You’d have to reverse it if you want your scope repaired i guess…

By: wolferl

wolferl — Sat, 10 Apr 2010 06:10:15 +0000

Did anyone ever try to revert the setting from DS1102E back to the original state?

Is this the same simple procedure ?

greetings from Austria

Wolferl

By: nats

nats — Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:47:46 +0000

Got mine from http://www.electronique-diffusion.fr

This tips work very well

But you need visa32.dll as you said and mfc42d.ddl, mfco42d.dll and msvcrtd.dll

These are form MFC debug library not redistribuable as is, go to http://www.dll-files.com/

Thanks for sharing such Hack

By: Brian

Brian — Thu, 08 Apr 2010 05:41:34 +0000

That didn’t work for me missong visa32.dll

So I found the agilent library which has all the needed tools.

http://www.home.agilent.com/agilent/product.jspx?cc=US&lc=eng&ckey=1695581&nid=-34466.907863.00&id=1695581&cmpid=zzfindiolib

By: Zaphod

Zaphod — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 08:12:00 +0000

Yay, I got my DS1052E yesterday. Its definitely a great toy.
In single-trigger mode, I can acquire one wave form then stop, the trigger event being in the middle of my memory. The first half is then filled with zeros. Can I make the memory fill up from the beginning, once a trigger event occurs, instead of from the middle? Just to utilize the whole memory and not only the second half. Thanks for the great blog.

Best, Zaphod.

By: Sven Killig

Sven Killig — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:14:49 +0000

Actually, you don’t even need an extra serial cable: Download “Programming Demo for VISA VC”:
http://www.rigol.com/upload/accessory/20102/20102116318534658.rar
connect the scope via USB and start Debug\demoIDN.exe. After selecting the scope in the upper combo box, you can enter the commands
:INFO:MODEL DS1102E
:INFO:SERIAL DS1EBYourSrial
in the lower combo box.
Beauty

By: EEVblog

EEVblog — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 22:34:43 +0000

Makes sense for them to pull the same trick on this one. It may not be implemented the same in firmware, but I’d bet the circuitry is capable of 300MHz.

By: shafri

shafri — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 20:34:16 +0000

please help! i’ve an overdone/stupid upgrade 1052e to 1102d resulting in vertical system error. pls goto

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1222045

for more details. plssssssss, fellows EEs gurus here, plssss help!

By: shafri

shafri — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 20:32:35 +0000

please help! i’ve an overdone/stupid upgrade 1052E to 1102D resulting in vertical system error. pls go to

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1222045

for more details. plsssssss EE’s gurus pls help!

By: Evan

Evan — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 17:24:22 +0000

Can the 200Mhz DS1202CA model be hacked into a 300Mhz DS1302CA as well I wonder? lol

By: GB (MTG)

GB (MTG) — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 14:32:00 +0000

FYI You can get a linefeed by using Ctrl+Enter as well.

By: Macka

Macka — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 11:47:03 +0000

@ Simon, What have Rigol done to counter this?

By: Simon

Simon — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 07:22:02 +0000

too late Rigol have already retaliated, good luck everyone with undoing Rigols counter measures, I’m a happy user of a converted scope, saved myself

By: Simon

Simon — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 07:17:41 +0000

they are rated at 150 MHz

By: EEVblog

EEVblog — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 02:09:10 +0000

@ Evan
Interesting to hear that, thanks for sharing!
Not unexpected really, I’m sure most suppliers are showing an extra rush too.

Dave.

By: Evan Cirelli

Evan Cirelli — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 01:31:41 +0000

Great blog! Thanks for the extra orders on the 50 MHz units. There was a rush on the 50 Mhz units. I wondered why when I customer told me about your latest post.

I bought 20 extra units real quick to make sure I have stock for everyone.

Again thanks! http://www.Tequipment.NET

Evan Cirelli
Vice President

By: Ken

Ken — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 18:25:47 +0000

2 second time saver tip:

In most every terminal program, to send a control character, in this case a 10, you simply press control and the corresponding letter position in the alphabet starting with the letter A.

In other words, A=1, C=3(BREAK), G=7(BELL), H=8(Backspace), J=10(Linefeed), M=13(Carriage return), Q=17(Continue scroll), S=19(pause scroll), ETC.

Those are the most common ones. The ALT xxx can be used as well for these characters, but also for special ones that can’t be typed with a simple CTRL+x.

By: circuit

circuit — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:32:34 +0000

WOW! Good work, guys.
Now, I have an earlier model DS1022CD (with LA). This one is completely out of manufacturer’s website. Is it possible to hack it? I don’t have it near me, but as I can remember, there is no serial port…

By: didier

didier — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:23:43 +0000

Awesome!

For some reasons, the upgrade failed on the first attempt: there were no model number nor SN# in the system info!!! I though it was because a later revision (00.02.02.01.00 on SN# DS1ED112604613 in my case)

I tried again and it worked like a charm. As a ‘worst case’ type of test I ran the FFT, and bingo, perfect assignement.

Thanks a lot for the tutorial

Comments: on a production point of view, it makes some sense to design such downrated instruments: think about the savings in designing, testing, assembling, keeping spare parts. Obviously, there are marketing questions behind which may confuse most of us. Your tutorial confirms my hypothesis: the future is in the hackers hands!!!

Regards from Didier

By: nitro2k01

nitro2k01 — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:44:13 +0000

Hmmm, considering the date, maybe you should’ve waited a day or two just to avoid any confusion?

Anyway, I believe you can actually do a linefeed by pressing ctrl+J. I know you can in PuTTY, probably in HyperTerminal as well.

By: Tom

Tom — Fri, 02 Apr 2010 02:45:26 +0000

Hi Dave, another “satisfied” DS1052E user! For this one I can forgive you writing in one of your articles (in Elektor I think) that HP invented RPN.

Good work! Tom

By: Qno

Qno — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:03:08 +0000

Is the date of the post intentionally April 1.

By: AL

AL — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 16:27:23 +0000

Will it work to covert a DS1052D into a DS1102D?

By: Larry

Larry — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:27:06 +0000

Dealextream has the DS 1052E for 404.29 US with free shipping.
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.30573

By: Daniel | septer012

Daniel | septer012 — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 04:00:20 +0000

EROCK, you could be too cool for school and turn your DS1102E into a DS1052E.

By: Daniel | septer012

Daniel | septer012 — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 03:59:30 +0000

I ordered one the other day. You got picked up by hackaday.com again btw Dave.

By: Dwayne Dibbley

Dwayne Dibbley — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 03:19:32 +0000

Super Cool Dave, just ordered me a DS1052E from Batrinix, they currently have a special and they are going for EUR 409.24 + vat, postage free.

By: ERock

ERock — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 01:32:52 +0000

No way… I literally took delivery of the DS1102E a mere 30 days ago. Could have saved some cash.

By: Jan

Jan — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:06:44 +0000

Awesome, I have just modded my Rigol and the hack indeed works!

Mine has a bit newer firmware (00.02.02.02.00 or 00.02.02 SP2), but it works just the same.

Late Christmas present, it seems!

Jan

By: Lieven Blancke

Lieven Blancke — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:22:10 +0000

Linux users can use “cutecom” for easy terminal emulation.

Device: /dev/ttyS0 (first serial port)
Baud rate: 9600
select “LF line end” from the bottom drop down box

connect the serial port of the PC to the Rigol and hit “Open device”
type your instructions in the “Input:” field, you can simply enter them by pressing enter (no need for Alt010).

By: DavidDLC

DavidDLC — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:06:53 +0000

It works, yesterday I modified my unit using a USB-RS232 converter.

No problem at all.

By: Waterppk

Waterppk — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:08:45 +0000

Alright, I’m going to ask the obvious, so there’s a 2x more expensive model with a logic analyzer, if you put in that serial number/model number does it unlock the logic analyzer IF you had the hardware card installed?

If so, has anyone tried swapping in the hardware to see if it’s functional?

By: Ray Jones

Ray Jones — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:34:04 +0000

Absolutely fraking awesome!

Next trick is finding a serial port on a PC these days.
Oh well time to drag out the $6 dealextreme USB to Serial device and see if it works!

Just made up a crossed cable at work today too to hook a Rhode & Schwartz sig gen up to a PC.

Serial data lives on!

By: EEVblog

EEVblog — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:27:43 +0000

It ain’t no April fools joke!

By: idris

idris — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:23:39 +0000

Anyone know if the same probes come with the DS1052E and DS1102E, or what they’re rated to?

By: Jan

Jan — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 05:46:35 +0000

Nice Dave, believed it for a couple of minutes until you hacked it by just changing the model name. a day early isn’t it?

By: Curtisbeef

Curtisbeef — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 05:36:56 +0000

I’m sure they will change all future designs now. too bad

By: Eric Haskett

Eric Haskett — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 04:05:49 +0000

sweeeeeeet!!!

By: Todd Harrison

Todd Harrison — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 03:52:39 +0000

Super COOL! Great hack! Thanks for relaying the others clever work to your audience. We really do appreciate it. It makes me sad that I have a Tektronix TDS2012B even though its already 100M it would be cool to have spend less and hacked it up to 100M. Plus the larger sample memory of the Rigol DS1052E would be be greatly enjoyed. Maybe I will have to eBay my Tektronix and order one of these 50M Rigols before they get a chance to buckle it up.

By: huh

huh — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 01:16:22 +0000

Let’s hope that the price of this scope doesn’t skyrocket after this hack goes public.