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  • The Mailbag Shelf is Full

    Posted on July 10th, 2013 EEVblog 65 comments

    It’s full.
    Please stop sending stuff for the time being!

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    • huygens

      Better…place at ebay or sale with discount prices.

      Huygens

    • http://www.aykira.com.au/ Keith

      or outsource a few to some local helpers. Could do a mix of video/ photo+blog write ups.

    • Kieran

      OR:

      run a competition and the winner gets to choose a random prize of the lot. Obviously Dave gets the end choice as to what packages are able to be selected, due to what I am sure there being some nice, expensive gear in there….

    • Albert

      I read: Please stop sending stuff for the time being!
      I see: Keep sending stuff in and Dave will _have_ to do a mailbag video or 10!

      • Johnnyk126

        I saw exactly the same thing ;) I have one or two things I may add to that pile.

    • Frank

      That’s what I call snail-mail spam

      • koit

        another episode of snailbag sunday…

        • http://www.eevblog.com EEVblog

          I like it!

      • http://../../etc/hosts OrangeJacketGuy

        More like sneakernet DDoS.

    • Ivan

      Hi Dave,
      don´t be such a lazy men and make every monday “mailbag monday video”.
      You said that you are earning your living by making the video, so where is the problem?
      It is just not very polite from you.

      • http://www.eevblog.com EEVblog

        I do not appreciate comments like that, at all.
        Monday is actually daddy day care day, I take care of Sagan all day.
        I work 4 days a week. Tuesday is Amp Hour + Teardown Tuesday. Friday is Fundamental Fridays. That leaves me two days each week to shoot other videos, work on my projects, and catch up on the business side of things and other stuff.
        I’ve got you demanding mailbag, others screaming for reviews, others wanting all sorts of other videos.
        I did 16 videos last month.
        I just took 4 days off to recover from the flu, that is the most time I have ever taken off in the last 2 years of me doing this full time.
        I do not appreciate having constant demands like that placed on me, it is not nice and it does not help, the only thing it does is increase my stress levels, and quite frankly, pisses me off just a bit.
        Thanks.

        • http://www.aykira.com.au/ Keith

          I must support Dave, only when you work for yourself do you fully appreciate how darn short a week is to fit everything into AND make money out of it sufficiently to support a family off.

          Plus, unlike in my business, Dave cannot outsource or automate more what he does; its just him 100%. Plus no such thing as paid leave or holidays…

        • Charlie

          People

          Please remember that Dave is not our employee. We receive his content for free (practically). It is not that we are paying his salary and he is just a lazy guy.

          I find it unfair or childish to demand from him.

          A the end of the day he may well decide to do a video blog on cats and he will, for sure, have more audience!

          Nevertheless I do think that we must express our opinions here in a positive manner and I do believe that Dave will analyze them to make a better blog.

          Charlie.

          • Wonko the Sane

            Re: Dave doing a blog about cats….

            And as we say on this blog – Don’t wake it up – Take it Apart…

    • ddavidebor

      Dave you know i like you, but ivan is right.

      Mailbag is a cool segment, if you’ve too much mail you should do it more regularly.

      I

      Now i suggest you to do a super-mega mailbag and empty the shelf.

      C

    • http://art-informa.pl Krzysztof Szymiczek

      Hi Dave.

      I learned and still learn a lot from your videos. I do really apretiate your work, but unfortunately Ivan has some kind of right in what he said. I had planned to send you some stuff in the very next future but now… i really do not know… Please be aware that for some of your viewers even the postage fee can be significant ammount (sending from abroad). It’s hard to believe that you have really no space in your lab for a few next packages. I hope you won’t loose any potential senders with your post. It could be a loss for us all…
      Anyway… the solution is… a bigger shelf :)

      • http://www.eevblog.com EEVblog

        Count them. I have 16+ packages. I only get through maybe 4-5 tops in any one video, and that’s a long videos.
        I know one package lone will take a full video on it’s own, plus maybe others if I want to do them justice.
        I think it’s better to say hold off for a while sending stuff, then to have your package sit around unopened for months.
        I do not want to flood the channel with mailbag videos, because this may surprise you, not everyone likes the segment. Many people like other stuff too.
        Do you think I should just quickly open them all and get them out of the way so I can process your own one quicker? What if I did that to your – “gee, that’s nice, thanks, haven’t got time to play with it – next”.
        That sucks.
        I’m saying hold off a bit to prevent that sort of thing from happening.

        • ddavidebor

          Ok, stop it it’s a good idea but you really should start working on it hard.

          I’ve an idea… Why you don’t do 1-2 pretty “fast” video of mailbag… And next you use the item you’ve received to do the other video, like foundamental friday, teardown tuesday, ecc ecc based on the item you’ve received.

          In about a month or so, you can end with all done and a lot of nice video that makes everyone happy, without thinking too much on what to do. Simple work.

          And because mailbag is stopped, you have time to think at a way to organize it better.

          Or maiby you can put mailbag in the next live show.

          • Charlie

            You should start every video you make by opening an item from the mailbag.

            1) If it is something that is worth doing a whole episode then:

            1a) If the item is worth a whole episode and at that moment you can, then continue do a whole video about that product.

            1b) If it requires though, special setup or whatever, leave it aside and continue with whatever you were about to film.

            2) If the contents require only showing, some quick comments and thanking, then, after that, you can continue with whatever you were about to film.

            In any case you would have always opened at least one item per video giving the episode a touch of that mystery that all mailbag episodes have. And extra content aside of the main subject of the video.

            Just an idea.

            Charlie.

            • http://www.eevblog.com EEVblog

              Interesting idea. But it’s not really workable. People don’t want to spend 5-10 minutes watching me open my mail when they search for a tutorial on OpAmps.
              Videos need to be focus on one particular topic, and I abandoned the concept of multiple things per video very early on.

              • ddavidebor

                I agree with you dave.

                • Charlie

                  Fair, maybe do it on some episodes where you know it will be interesting. “Surprise mailbox opening!” For example, in the last two episodes (the Nintendo thing and the cel phone, I believe both could have included one.

                  Charlie

              • Jan

                In the old days you had some kind of segments in the videos, not just one topic per videos.

                I don’t think a surprise mailbag at the beginning or end of a video would be such a big problem.

                • http://www.eevblog.com EEVblog

                  Yes, I started the blog that way, but quickly learned it’s a poor way to do it for many reasons.

        • http://art-informa.pl Krzysztof Szymiczek

          Yes, You are probably right. It just sounds some how not polite to me, maybe due to my not very advanced English, literally translated into Polish it sounds like a command, not ask… sorry’bout that. Maybe I was also a little bit scared of mailbaag falls off the topics…
          Keep your good work.

          Regards
          Chris

        • Drone

          Dave, the pressure you feel is the pressure to grow. That can be a good or a bad thing depending on where you want to go. As a the owner of my own business, I think the pressure to grow is a very good thing – take advantage of it.

          Thanks & Regards, David

    • Marcin

      I see that in Poland a few people watching :)
      Cześć chłopaki :)
      But to topic,
      Videos, Tuesday
      I think that there should be the same disassembly, maybe some measurements (reverse engineer?) Something simpler but more description.
      Maile …. you get a lot of mail, and thus not much of that, a lot of them are advertising? Little is interesting ….
      Show time measuring devices, but also advertising, after a while, bored, or even becomes annoying. For example, an oscilloscope GWInstek very weak oscilloscope for big money?
      Maybe more design of the electronics and the way showing how to use measuring devices, the use of reverse engineering
      Your projects exp: uSupply ceased to develop.
      So I’ll watch, but with less interest unless something changes.

      • Charlie

        Dave,
        I also feel that is a shame that the projects you were developing have stalled. Specially those that you were showing their development with your audience, like the µsupply.

        I downloaded and saved all the videos of the µsupply and really learned a lot.

        Even small videos showing how the new board you just received differs from the previous one, for example, and why, would be great.

        Nevertheless, I watch ALL your videos to the end, so don’t worry, haha.

        CH!

        • Jan

          My understanding with the µSupply is there is a very big issue with the selected regulator. It has a tendency to blow up if the voltage difference between the OUT and the SET pin exceeds some value. A value which could easily be reached in normal operation.

          And there doesn’t seem to be a drop-in replacement available. I think you could call that a showstopper

          • http://www.eevblog.com EEVblog

            Yes, there is an issue with the regular I have not fully looked into yet.

            • Charlie

              well, that would be a nice video. Showing on camera how to systematically blow the regulator and explaining why does this happen how this is, or is not, well documented in the datasheet. And why alternatives won’t just do the job, etc.

              Saludos,
              CH!

    • Marcin

      PS
      Showing measuring equipment of the highest quality .. OK, hardly anyone has something in his hand and I liked it …

    • glatocha

      Hi Dave,
      Another voice of Poland :D (currently from Korea)

      You know I like the blog, I like it a lot. You know I also support it.
      I could imagine that you have to take a break. I know there were some servers issues, you got sick. Got it.
      But please don’t tell all over that you are a full time blogger and later that you are so tired of working 4 days a week on the job that basically you chose and you manage.
      Guess what? I am working ~50hrs a week, Leaving before 8am and coming back 7pm. If you say it is your job, then I think you are a lucky bastard, that you can take Monday off.

      And seriously, take a holiday from the blog one for a while! If you ask me, you can shut the server for two weeks a year and forget about it. Visit Poland for example :D

      • Bob

        Erm… looking after a toddler for an entire day does not count as a “day off”! You sound like you don’t have children, otherwise you would know that looking after them is a full time job, and doesn’t generally give you much in the way of free time.

    • glatocha

      one more,

      the mailbag part is the one that is made by the viewers mostly.
      The viewers are also your supporters. I don’t know what are the stats. But if it really is one of the most viewable segments, then stop the other, teardowns or reviews for a while

    • http://www.ferdinandkeil.com Ferdinand Keil

      I’ve gone through all possible outcomes. The only winning move is not receive any more mail.

      Although I enjoy the mail-bag segment, I have to agree with Dave on this one. Daddy Day Care Day ™ comes first, no matter what.

      • gnif

        Agreed, I also work from home full time for myself and I completely understand where Dave is coming from.

        If you insist on posting your goods to an unwanted address, why not instead post them to me, I promise I will open them, but don’t expect any reviews/videos, etc.

    • JP

      Well then quit complaining and get to work! You only have one kid. Try four or more! You have nothing to complain about.

      • http://www.eevblog.com EEVblog

        Kids are easy. Try having 70,000 subscribers all screaming at you for what they want!

        • Kieran

          I demand that you do what you need to do Dave. Bring on the classic Aussie mentality of “yeah, I’ll get to it later”. Many things need to come first, Child/Wife and Health being at the top of the list to begin with.

          I can’t believe how rude some people are being, demanding stuff that are getting for free. Geez guys, get a grip on yourselves.

          And in regards to the fact that some people send in crap like engraved pens, just do a text post with them, it doesn’t have to be a video for content that is purely advertising for free. You don’t have any obligation to anyone to ensure that their mail ends up on the video.

    • Lefuneste

      Hi Dave. I see all these messages stressing out your laziness… What a sad way to thank your dedication to your worldwide audience. So let me give you a little advice : leave the camera running and give Sagan the opportunity to make his first mailbag segment ;-)

      Take Care and Thank you for your wonderful videos

      • drois

        I completely agree with this post. Keep up the good work Dave!

    • BiOzZ

      you don’t need to have mailbags only on monday if you’re busy! no one will blame you for a mailbag wednesday!

    • Albert

      I perfectly understand the situation: I was about to send something, but I will just wait for the OK from Dave.

      Suggestion for Dave: why don’t you transform mailbag monday in a live show? You could stream like 2 or 3 hours of video, do your research on components, make suggestion, receive live feedback from viewers… to me it sounds cool! I would love to see a live teardown, no matter the unforeseen issues (like boxes impossible to open) or possible mistakes, let’s discuss everything together!

    • Brett

      So here’s a thought. Guest Mailbag. Invite some other locals over to do the whole shebang for you, give them 3 packages you don’t think you “want” to do the full bit on, and get some additional content from them at lowish impact to you.

    • ddavidebor

      I suspect it will be only the info part of infortainment.

    • Joe

      Can we still send money?

    • JFA in Montreal

      Dave. I suggest you ditch all the darn commercial spammers sending you engraved pens and such crappy nick nack. They use you for advertisement, and do not pay a single penny for your fabulous and precious airtime. Start charging for promoting commercial items of little interest to makers.

      Just publish your fee schedule for any commercial item on your website, and advise them that your opening of their package will COST them. At your discretion, of course…

      I have a ton of really vintage, beautiful, eclectic original and cool objects to send you, but I won’t because I feel it’ll stay on the shelf, superceeded by engraved pens and such junk.

      Any Mailbag segment the Version 248 of the new microcontroller, New and Improved with one pin and two switches added… well… I loose interest in the segment.

      New products (not just a new version of an old board), original products, are cool. Vintage is cool.
      Otherwise, I don’t bother to watch it completely. And as far as YOU are concerned, you want traffic.

      I actually bought original stuff you featured in your mailbag segment (milli-ohm thigie, and a few others). These were original. Microcontroller boards? I just google and I find them.

      Rule is: if it’s stuff I’d never think of googling for, if I discover something new, it’s cool. If I can find it via Google among 547 zillions of me-too products, I won’t watch it.

      • http://www.eevblog.com EEVblog

        One problem is I usually don’t know what’s in the mail until I open it.
        So some episodes end up having interesting stuff, and others end up with a bunch of engraved pens. I could of course completely edit out the crap ones, but that’s not fair them you spend money sending me the thing.

        • Nikola

          Dave,
          I admire you and feel your pain. I work full time and am getting two degrees (computer science and electrical engineering) and have a baby on the way. There just isn’t enough hours in a day to get 1/4 of everything done. When I sent you an e-mail months ago asking about embedded systems and CANbus resources I was absolutely floors and shocked at how honest and quickly you responded. You, sir, have my admiration and respect.

          Now that the ass kissing is done, you will understand that what I am about to say comes from a place of respect and love. You’re doing it all wrong and are ruining it for the rest of us!

          Let me elaborate. The mailbag should be about viewers sending things in that they feel is interesting, different, and unique. It should not be about companies trying to get you to sell, display, and advertise their products for FREE. I repeat, FREE ADVERTISING. With you selling, displaying, and advertising their products the companies revenue stream increases but yours stays the same. The people who send in stuff, their revenue doesn’t increase, should you compensate them? No, they did it out of the goodness of their hearts and to afford the opportunity for other people to see something they found quite fascinating. Should you stop charging your ad banner people? Because you are allowing a company to advertise for free while they have to pay. Not really fair.

          I think the mailbag segment is very diluted. It’s so much advertising that I skip over it now. I think the mailbag stuff should be opened prior to doing a video and sorted. The stuff for advertising should be done as a review. Paid or not, a product should be reviewed and a thing should be torn down. Sure you lose some allure of not knowing what you are opening. But you are gaining more structure and , I feel, a better show and site will come from that.

          Either way keep up the good work! I would love to write articles for this site. I think a blog in addition to a vlog would be a killer things!

          Thanks!
          Nik

          • http://www.eevblog.com EEVblog

            The vast majority of stuff that is opened in mailbag is non-commercial, or just a one-man-band guy selling a few little kits.
            With commercial stuff, either I charge people to review stuff, or I do not. I chose not to.

    • rob

      I think Dave has it right. He should let people know that he is behind on the mailbag and sending him things at this time will mean your stuff will not air for a long time. That’s just being realistic, it’s not being rude or disrespectful to the people who want to give him stuff.

      He could probably just tear through the stuff like a kid on Christmas, but that’s not not what viewers or senders want. That would be disrespectful to the people who send him stuff.

      BTW, my favorite stuff to see on the mail bag is stuff that viewers have made and Dave reviews them.

    • david

      I think Dave has a point on this one.
      Whats is the point of sending your mail knowing the fact that it will be kept on the shelf for ages? It is frustrating for both parties.
      Also, it is not that Dave is lazy or deliberately avoiding them.
      I am enjoying every episode and even learning from them.
      Dave, I would say, keep it your way and I am happy.
      Tata.

    • ddavidebor

      Nikola is right, put the advertising crap off mailbag should be a good idea.

      Now, you’re so famous that you can have interesting stuff in the mailbag every week or so.

    • Michael Damkier

      Hello Dave,
      Just keep doing what you do. And take whatever time you need to do it. I have learned lots of stuff from your videos. And I’ve been entertained by them as well. Fundamental Fridays is a great idea. But who said every Friday? Teardown Tuesday is always fun to watch. But hey, there’s a Tuesday every week. So no teardown this week? Maybe next week or the week after. Just has to be a Tuesday, right? (Actually, wrong. You can do a Teardown Tuesday, or any other segment, on any day of the week. Fine with me.)
      And to put my money where my mouth is, I finally got around to sending a donation. Now, as a supporter, I say: keep up the great work and do it at whatever pace you choose. It’s your blog!

    • paul

      hi dave,
      do what you want it is your blog in the end there are people that will go away from your blog, but there are also people that com to your blog .
      But the only things that matters is that you like to do it.
      because all of the blog’s that your are giving us to see is that you like it to do.
      and that is all that counts.
      your videos are always 100 % and that is what you like to give us.
      but mabi take a pause if you need it maybi make a organisation take some people in to do thing for you behind the screen and do your thing in front of the camera.
      i like your blogs man i know there are many people that like to see you.
      greatings from belgium keep up the good work.

    • Bill

      Said in the nicest possible way Dave, don’t waste so much time looking at the stamps, postmarks, postcards etc !!!!!!
      Mailbag is great Dave as are all of your videos, but I must admit I had to press the fast-forward button for the very first time while watching your last mailbag. Too much stamp-watch action etc, bored !!!
      Keep up the good work anyway, I hope to send you some mailbag inventions in the distant future !!!
      Bill

      • Drois

        I especially like the part where Dave comments the stamps and the post card layouts!

        • ddavidebor

          If you like a lot postcard, why don’t open it in altzone?

          I will watch you anyway

    • Carlos A H Silva

      I realy love the mailbag videos, and I would hate to see then condensed for the shake of empty the pile. Some times the best is to make it slow and good.

      Let Dave have time to look at each of then and not to hurry him up.

      I am very very curious about the package He says will take a hole episode to review.

      What could it be? :D

    • Charlie

      Although Nik has a good point, I like the way Dave opens the mail packages. The stamps, the comments, etc. I still think that he should slide one or two packages in other videos, at the end or whatever. Some teardown videos are short enough to accept an extra surprise mailbag at the end, as I expressed before.

      One of the most attractive parts of the mailbag segments are the opening itself.

      All these comments will decant to a better outcome.

      CH!

    • Daniel

      You know what I want you to do, Dave? You should do what YOU want. You rock and I totally appreciate everything you’ve done for the community and me personally. I have learned a TON from you, and for that I am grateful. Please, keep up the good work and do what feels right to you! Clearly, since you’ve built this great community, what you like to focus on is perfect for us to consume! Thanks!

    • http://electronics.dreamintech.net/ Nathan Campos

      I would love to be able to say my electronics mail shelf was full… I bet this is the best kind of spam you can receive.

    • Andrei Luca

      Hi Dave,

      First let me start by saying how much I appreciate your work, I learned a lot from your videos and watch them weekly.

      I would just like to say what you probably already know, that you can’t please everyone. By attempting to do so, I think the videos will just become slow, dull and generic. Keep doing what you think is best, it’s worked pretty darn well so far. I see no reason to listen or even read all the bleating demands which other people feel entitled to put on you, especially since the ones which complain most, tend to contribute least.

      Again, thank you for your hard work and all the time you dedicate in making this a great electronics blog. Also, if you decide to take a few days off, I’m sure noone will blame you ;). I’m certain that a small vacation helps the quality of your videos as well as everything else.

      Thanks again.

      Regards,
      Andrei

    • WattSekunde

      Hi Dave,

      you should build a mailbag traffic light in your lab.
      red = The mailbag shelf is full. Stop sending, please.
      orange = Only postcards. ;-)
      green = Send me more interesting stuff, please.
      Maybe with a little banner in the first and last minutes.

      I love your blog so much but have not enough spare time to view all episodes in “real” time. From time to time (week to month) I pick interesting sounding things out and watch them from eevblog.com. Without an adblock plugin! Then I rate them and flag them as viewed in my iTunes achive ;-). I don’t watch TV so EEVblog and some others are my TV evenings in my Lab! I think I saw around 80%.
      There is no problem at all if you slow down some consuming things and make them only every 2nd, 3rd week or if you have time to do it right.

      I like that there are so much refreshing different formats in your blog. In-, and Outdoor walk or drive, FF, TD, DD, … don’t stop trying things out.
      There is one outstanding example that has engraved in my mind: Episode #284 – Toothbrush Teardown
      I was so surprised on the details you get out of it. I love such deep analysis on teardown or dumpster diving gear. ;-)

      Btw. I know that children always cost more time and nerves (and money) as they are growing. Because you can’t leave them in a “drawer” like such a project that has become boring. ;-)

      So let me thank you for nearly 500 episodes (unbelievable) of always entertaining engineering from down under. Awesome!

      take care,
      Michael from Germany