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Gerbers different from PCB
« on: September 29, 2017, 07:03:10 PM »
Oy!

So, the Gerber files are just a little bit too different from the actual PCB (small 5x5mm thingie). I can easily solve the not-solid planes (it are tracks next to each other, adding another one to bridge the gap works) but I'd like to know why there's such a big difference..

But my bigger problem is that the arcs aren't exaclty arcs anymore. Any idea how to improve? Already tacked "software arcs", improved a bit but not enough...
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Re: Gerbers different from PCB
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2017, 07:11:38 PM »
But my bigger problem is that the arcs aren't exaclty arcs anymore.
What makes you think there will be any difference on actual PCB? On such scale it's very unlikely that etching process will be so precise that there would be any sharp edges.
 

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Re: Gerbers different from PCB
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2017, 07:15:54 PM »
Mh, good point. But why are the solid surfaces not solid anymore?

Annoys me...
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Re: Gerbers different from PCB
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2017, 10:50:28 PM »
I've never noticed holes in polygons before.  Bug report?

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Re: Gerbers different from PCB
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2017, 12:58:04 AM »
Not polygons, though. Tracks side by side. Still should not happen.
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Re: Gerbers different from PCB
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2017, 07:16:46 AM »
1) What gerber viewer are you using?  It may not be rendered 100% accurately.  For example, gerbv has 3 modes: "fast", "normal", "high-quality".  If you choose "fast" or sometimes "normal", you can see artifacts like this that disappear in "high quality" modes.

2) If you created the regions by juxtaposing tracks, try overlapping them a bit more.  It will make no difference in the PCB, but will cut down on the artifacts due to inaccurate rendering.

3) From the triangular void in your picture, it looks like the tracks are not all entirely parallel.  Perhaps some are 1 or 2 pixels off from top to bottom.  You can edit each track and check the X and Y coordinates of the endpoints, and fix.  Again, no real impact on the PCB, but may contribute to this artifact.

4) Why not just draw the outline of the region using primitives, then convert to a polygon. Then you can control the resolution of the arcs as well.   Also, it will result in a smaller, quicker rendering Gerber.
 

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Re: Gerbers different from PCB
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2017, 08:06:48 PM »
1) What gerber viewer are you using?  It may not be rendered 100% accurately.  For example, gerbv has 3 modes: "fast", "normal", "high-quality".  If you choose "fast" or sometimes "normal", you can see artifacts like this that disappear in "high quality" modes.

The Altium viewer.

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2) If you created the regions by juxtaposing tracks, try overlapping them a bit more.  It will make no difference in the PCB, but will cut down on the artifacts due to inaccurate rendering.

Which is what I did in the end. Still sucks though ;)

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3) From the triangular void in your picture, it looks like the tracks are not all entirely parallel.  Perhaps some are 1 or 2 pixels off from top to bottom.  You can edit each track and check the X and Y coordinates of the endpoints, and fix.  Again, no real impact on the PCB, but may contribute to this artifact.

This is the part that baffles. They *were* parallel.

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4) Why not just draw the outline of the region using primitives, then convert to a polygon. Then you can control the resolution of the arcs as well.   Also, it will result in a smaller, quicker rendering Gerber.

Because using tracks immediatly gave the curves I needed. Otherwise, I'd have to lay a square *and* arcs. This was just a *lot* faster. I like fast. :D
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