Lost Scroll Bars PCB Editor

[ludzinc]

Hi

Apologies of this is covered elsewhere - my Google Fu might be weak!

Anyway,

In AD 14 I've managed to turn off the scroll bars in the PCB Editor, and I cannot work out / find how to turn them back on.

How did I turn them off?  Dunno - some hidden keystroke perhaps?

Ta

Simon

[SydB]

Did you find an answer? I recently upgraded to v14 and I have never seen the scrollbars for the main editing screen.

Mouse wheel for vertical and hold down shift + mouse wheel for horizontal is currently my only obvious option.

[Rufus]

The were recently removed because most people (including me) considered them to be a waste of screen space.

[ludzinc]

Ah, it's not me, it's Altium 

Why not make it an option to enable / disable, dammit. 

Not too useful on my 22" desktop, damn useful on my 15" laptop....

Thanks for the heads up.

[Rufus]

Not too useful on my 22" desktop, damn useful on my 15" laptop....

I would usually be using a SpaceNavigator but otherwise right hold and drag for small pans and ctrl-mouse wheel zoom out and zoom in about a different point for larger moves.

I have never seriously tried to use Altium with a laptop touchpad.

[T3sl4co1l]

What's so hard about right click and drag?  (Or CTRL+something if you have bad default keys..)

Only time I saw someone use (or try to) scroll bars in Altium, it was an older coworker, who was probably raised on DOS or early Windows EDA.  The days of the two button mouse, if you had one at all.  He never quite got the hang of the part where the scroll bars are absolute referenced, so you go a little ways and OH SHIT WHERE'D MY BOARD GO.  Na, I don't think Altium ever intended scroll bars to be very useful, not in any version I've used anyway..

Only time I've ever done work on a trackpad was in Ultiboard, in college.  On those odd times when I didn't have a mouse handy.  It's absolutely possible, just more tedious.  Altium, more so, especially in 3D view.

These days, even if it's just doing a review meeting, I bring a mouse.  It's that worthwhile, and so silly without.

Tim

[SydB]

Thanks for the info, Rufus.

@T3sl4co1l

Just an expectation! With so many options, surprised it is not one.

[nitro2k01]

I would hate it if my CAD software lacked scroll bars. Not because I like using them to move around the document, but because they're giving an approximate location of where I am when I'm zoomed in very close.

[Rufus]

I would hate it if my CAD software lacked scroll bars. Not because I like using them to move around the document, but because they're giving an approximate location of where I am when I'm zoomed in very close.

Altium's PCB editor has a bird's eye view panel showing the whole PCB and a rectangle the size and position of the view in the editing window. You can zoom the view by dragging the rectangle corner handles and pan the view by dragging the rectangle around the PCB.

Another feature making scroll bars redundant.

[marshallh]

Yes completely unnecessary and stupid. They were unusable, 1px move = your board disappears. The pcb subview panel is easier to move around with for walking over a big pcb.