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#### SG-1

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##### six pulse rectifier
« on: February 20, 2017, 03:46:14 AM »
I am looking for the equation to determine the 3-phase current into the rectifier circuit & the DC current out.  No filtering is used.

let's say I have 10A DC load.  How many amps ac will be present ?

I have made some measurements & the ratio seems to be about .8 AC Amperes to 1 DC Amperes.
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#### Hero999

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##### Re: six pulse rectifier
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2017, 05:29:32 AM »
Are you talking about the peak or RMS current? The peak input current will be the same as the peak output current. KCL.

#### SG-1

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##### Re: six pulse rectifier
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2017, 03:27:50 PM »
Thanks hero999, that is interesting.  Do I not have to account for the efficiency of the diodes ?

I am interested in the RMS current in vs the DC current out.

Supposed one wants to limit, fuse, a DC power supply to 10 Amperes, one could place the over current protective device with just an ac rating before the rectifiers or an ocpd with a DC rating after the rectifiers.  It appears the ocpd would have to be different values depending upon location.
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##### Re: six pulse rectifier
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2017, 04:50:00 PM »
Hopefully that helps.

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#### Ian.M

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##### Re: six pulse rectifier
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2017, 05:39:20 PM »
Here's a LTSPICE sim to play with.  Its set up for one cycle of 50Hz, and uses near-ideal diodes.  You can use it to confirm numerically the results for the circuits Anmar posted.

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#### Hero999

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##### Re: six pulse rectifier
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2017, 08:03:25 PM »
Thanks hero999, that is interesting.  Do I not have to account for the efficiency of the diodes ?
Not for the current draw. The diodes only drop voltage.

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I am interested in the RMS current in vs the DC current out.
Then that's more tricky, since the current is drawn in pulses, the power factor will be poor.

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Supposed one wants to limit, fuse, a DC power supply to 10 Amperes, one could place the over current protective device with just an ac rating before the rectifiers or an ocpd with a DC rating after the rectifiers.  It appears the ocpd would have to be different values depending upon location.
I'd strongly recommend putting the over current protection before the bridge because, f the bridge fails, the input power supply and wiring will be protected.

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#### SG-1

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##### Re: six pulse rectifier
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2017, 04:32:56 PM »
Hopefully that helps.
Thank you, there is a lot there for me to digest.
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#### SG-1

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##### Re: six pulse rectifier
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2017, 04:35:24 PM »
Here's a LTSPICE sim to play with.  Its set up for one cycle of 50Hz, and uses near-ideal diodes.  You can use it to confirm numerically the results for the circuits Anmar posted.
Thank you, I have been trying to simulate this in LTSPICE for a few weeks now.  I can finally see what I am doing wrong.
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#### SG-1

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##### Re: six pulse rectifier
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2017, 04:40:55 PM »

I'd strongly recommend putting the over current protection before the bridge because, f the bridge fails, the input power supply and wiring will be protected.
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We have had some failures on some 1950 vintage DC supplies.  The diode bridge / volt trap failed & damaged the variable auto-transformer feeding it.  I agree it is better to place the protection ahead of the bridge rectifier.
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##### Re: six pulse rectifier
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2017, 05:11:14 PM »
If you want even lower ripple output, you use 2 sets of secondaries - 1x star and 1x delta. It's double the diodes, but incredibly low ripple, 0.5%, and therefore AC
current peaks. We use it a lot for much higher currents, but it will work for any power. Obviously, depends on what you require.
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