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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2018, 06:02:28 pm »
Ohm's and Kirchhoff's and alike laws or rules are just simplifications people in the electronics use in order to make their life much easier.
If you want to understand how the stuff works you must study this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations

Btw, a typical standard Q during exams from "Theory of Electromagnetic fields" subject the EE students usually get is to derive the Ohm's law from the Maxwell's equations.
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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2018, 06:26:04 pm »
It's kind of irrelevant, but here is a quote for you from a very respectable physics book called "introduction to electrodynamics" by David J. Griffiths

“I don't suppose there is any formula in physics more widely known than Ohm's law, and yet it's not really a true law.”
 
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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2018, 06:48:22 pm »
Every law or rule has an exception, if you're picky, but for real world practical use I'll go with what a sage once told me: "Ohm's law is definitive."
 

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2018, 06:52:45 pm »
Ohm's and Kirchhoff's and alike laws or rules are just simplifications people in the electronics use in order to make their life much easier.
If you want to understand how the stuff works you must study this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations

Btw, a typical standard Q during exams from "Theory of Electromagnetic fields" subject the EE students usually get is to derive the Ohm's law from the Maxwell's equations.

If you examine such derivations, you'll see that they rely on the assumption that the number of free charge carriers and the relaxation time (the average lifetime of a charge carrier) are constants and do not change endogenously with the electric field or current density. But again, that is true only for certain materials.

This is a beginners forum, so I understand that it is not a good idea to answer more than what was asked. But in giving a limited answer, I think it is important not to say something that is fundamentally wrong, least it become a fundamentally wrong building block for their entire understanding of electricity for their whole lives. Ohm's Law is presented incorrectly almost all the time when it could be presented correctly just as easily: ohm's equation explains the simple, linear relationship between current and voltage in many - but not all - common materials.
 
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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2018, 06:56:46 pm »
Every law or rule has an exception, if you're picky, but for real world practical use I'll go with what a sage once told me: "Ohm's law is definitive."

The exceptions merely form the basis for the entire modern world as we know it.

Life would be a LOT more boring if we only had ohmic materials.
 

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2018, 07:58:08 pm »
“The exceptions merely form the basis for the entire modern world as we know it.”

Here we have the difference between the academic and real world. Ask any practicing engineer how many times they use complex equations to solve simple problems. Application is far different than research and development or theoretical research.

If I’m planning a trip from Boston to NYC and ask someone the distance, I don’t think I really need to know the diameter of the earth to calculate great circle distance and how it isn’t a perfect sphere, or that the distance could be different depending on whether I go from Boston to NYC instead of NYC to Boston because of the effects of relativity and rotational speed of the earth, and whether my reference point is earth or the center of the universe.

I’m into precise time and frequency and realize that talking to the average person about leap seconds or 5ns drift rates isn’t going to be a conversation starter. If someone asks me the time I look at my watch, which is synced to WWVB, and give them the approximate time. 

I believe the answer the OP wants is also a practical explanation, even if it isn’t to 12 decimal places.   Yes, running a lot of current through a resistor generates heat which is what makes electric space heaters possible. They also have kind of an aura or field emanating from them. 
 

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2018, 08:16:15 pm »
This is a beginners forum, so I understand that it is not a good idea to answer more than what was asked. But in giving a limited answer, I think it is important not to say something that is fundamentally wrong, least it become a fundamentally wrong building block for their entire understanding of electricity for their whole lives.

In EE school, we worked with Ohm's Law, Kirchhoff's Laws and the other simple Theorems beginning in the first semester.  I'm not sure but I think Maxwell's Equations didn't come up until 4 years later.  Notably because it took 4 years of progressive math courses to get to a point where curl and divergence made any sense at all, mathematically.  Yes, Maxwell's Equations can be hand-waved but sooner or later somebody wants to use numbers.

Ohm, Kirchhoff, Norton and other Laws/Theorems are good enough for all practical purposes and certainly sufficient for a beginner.
 

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2018, 08:44:18 pm »
“The exceptions merely form the basis for the entire modern world as we know it.”

Here we have the difference between the academic and real world. Ask any practicing engineer how many times they use complex equations to solve simple problems. Application is far different than research and development or theoretical research.

If I’m planning a trip from Boston to NYC and ask someone the distance, I don’t think I really need to know the diameter of the earth to calculate great circle distance and how it isn’t a perfect sphere, or that the distance could be different depending on whether I go from Boston to NYC instead of NYC to Boston because of the effects of relativity and rotational speed of the earth, and whether my reference point is earth or the center of the universe.

I’m into precise time and frequency and realize that talking to the average person about leap seconds or 5ns drift rates isn’t going to be a conversation starter. If someone asks me the time I look at my watch, which is synced to WWVB, and give them the approximate time. 

I believe the answer the OP wants is also a practical explanation, even if it isn’t to 12 decimal places.   Yes, running a lot of current through a resistor generates heat which is what makes electric space heaters possible. They also have kind of an aura or field emanating from them.

You guy are killing me, so I think I'm just going to give up after this post. But you're still wrong as hell. Ohm's "Law" is misleading. It's as simple as that. It doesn't help to teach it as a "Law" even to a preschooler. There are cases where a simplification is helpful, there are cases where a simplification is necessary, because the truth is too complex. This is not one of those cases, because you do not have to explain the complex reality, only hint at its existence. This is actually very useful information for a student because it puts the seed into his or her head that E=IR is telling your something about the material under consideration, NOT about the universe.

It's funny, you make a distinction between an academic and an engineer. As it happens, I'm an engineer and I'm happy to use simplest equations I can get away with. But I'm also often called on to teach, and I have a responsibility not to fill my students' heads with bullshit. Some of those students will continue on to more advanced learning, some will not, but regardless, it's nice to not tell them false stories. Hence, I always qualify Ohm's Law because it is perfectly trivial to explain to a day-one beginners of average intelligence that this equation, while generally useful, does not describe reality in many important circumstances and exactly describes reality in absolutely no circumstances. Engineering students definitely "get" this and it trips up nobody. The same goes for all the much worse crutch/analogies about water, drips, pipes, valves, pressure, flow, ball bearings, screens, hills, obstacles, etc, every single one of which ultimately becomes a hindrance to understanding electricity -- usually long before an undergraduate has finished his or her EE program.

Finally, let me just state for the record that the OP's original question "how, exactly a resistor works" was absolutely an invitation for a nitpicky explanation. To borrow from your analogy above, the OP literally asked "how, exactly, do airplanes work?" and the answer he got was "you buy a ticket and it takes you where you want to go."
 
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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2018, 08:47:18 pm »
Ohm, Kirchhoff, Norton and other Laws/Theorems are good enough for all practical purposes and certainly sufficient for a beginner.

Yep, that's what it comes down to. The word "law" is always used more or less loosely.

If you take "law" in its most strict, absolute sense, for example, "every human will die" would be a law (fits observation, and there are no recorded exceptions of it  ;D ). But there are very, very few things in life that are this certain, so it wouldn't be useful as a scientific categorization.
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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2018, 09:14:36 pm »
If somebody wants to call some kind of referendum to downgrade Ohm's Law to Ohm's Suggestions, go for it!

I suspect that static inertia will preclude any change in the name or categorization.
 
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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2018, 10:38:09 pm »
djacobow: “Finally, let me just state for the record that the OP's original question "how, exactly a resistor works" was absolutely an invitation for a nitpicky explanation. To borrow from your analogy above, the OP literally asked "how, exactly, do airplanes work?" and the answer he got was "you buy a ticket and it takes you where you want to go."”

If we want to get nitpicky, the OP DID NOT ask "how, exactly a resistor works". That is not a quote, although you presented it as a quote. A quote is exactly what the person said, like the following.

•   is the resistor a way to radiate overflow of energy as heat (wasted energy) -  and that's how books are explaining it.
•   is the resistor like a narrow tube between two large tubes limiting the water flow (no wasted energy).
Which is is true?”
That is a quote, preserving any spelling or grammar the OP used .

To wrongly equate your question of "how, exactly, do airplanes work?" (which can easily be explained by difference in pressure on the bottom/top of the wing and only takes a couple of short sentences) with “how do I hire someone to use their airplane to get me where I want to go”  is entirely different and is a non sequitur.

To answer your question of “"how, exactly, do airplanes work?" with an answer like you need to go to college and get an advanced degree in aeronautical  engineering then work for years to learn how to apply the theoretical knowledge to practical applications would not be responsive.

So as to how resistors work the answer is: They will follow Ohm’s law until someone proves that for all practical applications it’s been repealed.
 

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2018, 10:39:56 pm »
soooo :)
Maybe it would be better to rephrase.
If I would take a battery... LiPo 3,7V 500mAh battery. Fully charged is 4,2V - nominal working value 3,7V.
Then I am adding load: resistor 470Ohm to battery terminals.
From Ohm's Suggestion ( :-DD ) we can estimate the current going through R to be around 8mA.
500/8 gives around 60Hours of battery power (without other factors typical for battery).

using the same battery recharged with resistor 47Ohm gives current around 80mA.
500/80 gives around 6 hours of battery life.

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Call me stupid but the way of my thinking is: if battery would be pushing constant current through resistor (by increasing voltage or other method if exists) then battery life would be always the same, ignoring the value of resistance. It's like battery would say: "i'm giving 1A no matter what - I want it to be over in 30 minutes" - this would lead to putting the resistor on fire. But it does not happen. It means that resistor is in fact stopping battery from pumping the whole current it could deliver. It limits the current flow. But then why Heat? So the question is: HOW resistor is limiting the current?
 

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2018, 11:12:00 pm »
This is two questions.

But then why Heat?

Why heat? Because when the battery is charged it contains energy. If you discharge the battery through a resistor you are letting the energy out of the battery and the energy has to go somewhere. Heat is a form of energy. The chemical energy in the battery gets turned into heat energy in the resistor.

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So the question is: HOW resistor is limiting the current?

Because resistors offer resistance to current flow. Ohm's Law says that if the resistance is higher for the same voltage, then the current is lower in inverse proportion. How does the resistor limit the current? Because it is a material property of the substance that resistors are made of. If you put a voltage across a resistor, then more resistance gives less current and less resistance gives more current. This is just what resistors do.
 

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2018, 11:30:26 pm »
Call me stupid but the way of my thinking is: if battery would be pushing constant current through resistor (by increasing voltage or other method if exists) then battery life would be always the same, ignoring the value of resistance. It's like battery would say: "i'm giving 1A no matter what - I want it to be over in 30 minutes" - this would lead to putting the resistor on fire. But it does not happen. It means that resistor is in fact stopping battery from pumping the whole current it could deliver. It limits the current flow. But then why Heat? So the question is: HOW resistor is limiting the current?

A battery can be considered a voltage source (as opposed to a current source, more in a moment).  It produces a certain voltage E and it produces a voltage drop across the one and only resistor which, obviously, drops all of the battery voltage.  Now, we know E across the resistor, and we know R, the value of the resistor.  Now all we need to do is drop the values in E=I*R and crunch.

Say we had a 1V battery (assume perfect voltage source) and we had a 1 Ohm resistor.  From the E=I*R equation, we can figure that 1A is flowing.  Furthermore, the resistor is dissipating I2*R Watts - in this case, 1 Watt.

Now use a 1K Ohm resistor.  From E = I * R we get 1 mA of current and I2*R = 1 mW

There is a pretty dramatic change in power dissipation.

Low value resistors -> higher current for a given voltage -> higher power dissipation for a given voltage.

Current sources are a different animal - they want to deliver a specific amount of current and they will change their voltage to make it happen.  Think about what happens when a 1A current source is left with no load.  The voltage rises to near infinity and everything burns to the ground.  Something like that...

Voltage sources will deliver any required current and attempt to maintain a specific voltage.  At some point, the load is more than the source can deliver and voltage drops off.  Study Norton Equivalent Circuit for a battery and note that maximum power transfer occurs when the load resistance is the same as the source internal resistance.

That perfect 1V battery above, if it had a 1 Ohm internal resistance would only deliver 1/2V to the 1 Ohm load because you now have 2 Ohms total resistance. 1V = 1/2A * 2 Ohms  Try Excel and put in different load resistors, calculate the terminal voltage given the load resistance and internal resistance and then convert the load voltage and load current to Watts.  Extra credit:  Make a graph.
 

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2018, 11:31:14 pm »
Just looking at your problem mathematically, you have ohm’s law (or more of a very strong suggestion) which says E=IR. if you have a battery of about 4VDC and assume the voltage is going to remain fairly constant, if one term on the right hand side of the equation goes up, the other term must go down for the equation to balance.  If you use a 4 ohm resistor the current has to be 1A and if you use a 400 ohm resistor the current will be 0.01A. the power that the resistor has to dissipate as heat is given by the formula of P=EI so in the first case you have 4VDC x 1A or 4 watts. In the 2nd case you have 4VDC x 0.01A or 0.04 watts. In the 1st case, dissipating 4W as heat means the resistor will get far hotter than the 2nd case where you will be dissipating 0.04 watts. In the 2nd case you won’t be able to tell by feel that the resistor is ever so slightly warmer than the ambient air temperature.

A little generalization here but if the 4VDC battery has a 4AH capacity it means that with a 1A load it will discharge in 1 hour. In the second case the 4VDC battery at 0.01A will last 100 hours. Everything is mathematically related so using just a few simple formulas will allow you to calculate what you need to know.   

As to heat, the energy released into a resistor has to go somewhere, in some form. In a resistor it is heat, just like the resistor element in an electric space heater, in an electric car it is the power to propel the car. Basically (at our level) energy is not created or destroyed, it is only converted in form. The same holds true with charging your battery, the electrical power going into the battery is chemically converted and stored as potential energy (which is why its voltage is referred to as potential), ready to be used if you complete the circuit by putting a resistor across the battery.

Ohm's law is like religion, you just have to believe it is true.
 

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2018, 11:42:39 pm »
example with battery proves by "experiment" that resistors are limiting current flow and don't just radiate.
Now I need to google how Ohm's Law was deducted.
 

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« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2018, 12:12:03 am »
example with battery proves by "experiment" that resistors are limiting current flow and don't just radiate.
Now I need to google how Ohm's Law was deducted.

What do you mean by "don't just radiate"?

Resisting current flow and generating heat are one and the same thing. If a resistor did not limit current flow it would not get hot for any current. (Also, it would not be a resistor.) But all real wires have resistance, and so all real wires generate heat when passing current.

So:

1. If it is generating heat it is resisting current flow (because it will have a voltage difference across it when a current flows through it)
2. If it is resisting current flow it is generating heat (because it has a voltage difference across it due to the current flowing through it)

Note that "limiting" current flow is not a good word. "Resisting" current flow is a better word. That describes what resistors do.
 

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2018, 12:16:11 am »
It case it helps, think of resistance as like friction, and friction and heat go together. If you apply the brakes on your car they resist the forward motion of the car. At the same time the brakes get hot. You cannot have friction brakes that slow down a car without getting hot. It is impossible.

In the same way, you cannot have a resistor that is resisting the flow of electricity without getting hot. It is impossible.
 

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2018, 12:24:50 am »
A good example of energy being converted to heat is a simple laptop computer.  Rest is on your lap and see what you think after an hour or so.  Even my Surface Pro gets uncomfortable.

There are MANY places inside the laptop responsible for generating heat.  If a device doesn't do useful work (turn a wheel, lift a bucket, etc) then all of its energy is converted to heat.  A CPU doesn't do useful work regardless of what the existence of Facebook may imply.  All of the power entering the chip is turned to heat.

How is it turned to heat when there likely are very few resistors?  Well, there is capacitance all over the place and there are high frequency changes in voltage levels.  It takes infinite energy to change a voltage level in zero time in the presence of capacitance.  Faster processors get closer and closer to zero time switching.  That's why CPUs have radiators and all kinds of mechanical cooling systems.  They want to go fast and speed takes energy.  The old 8080 8-bit processors didn't go fast enough to need cooling!
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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2018, 05:09:38 am »
<here comes the problematic part - do not hate please :) >
Call me stupid but the way of my thinking is: if battery would be pushing constant current through resistor (by increasing voltage or other method if exists) then battery life would be always the same, ignoring the value of resistance. It's like battery would say: "i'm giving 1A no matter what - I want it to be over in 30 minutes" - this would lead to putting the resistor on fire. But it does not happen. It means that resistor is in fact stopping battery from pumping the whole current it could deliver. It limits the current flow. But then why Heat? So the question is: HOW resistor is limiting the current?

Clearly, you describe something which is manifestly not a battery -- i.e., something with ~constant voltage output, and obeying a charge-current relationship.

Instead, the constant-current analogy to a battery (which as it happens, doesn't seem to exist, outside of contrivances, whereas the battery is a simple chemical process!), would be a ~constant current output, obeying a flux-voltage relationship.

An inductor would be the linear example, just as the capacitor is the linear version of a battery.  By "linear", I mean to note that the charge-voltage or flux-current relationship is proportional, i.e., voltage increases proportionally with charge, current increases proportionally with flux.

A battery is NOT a linear component (so, if we model one as a Thevenin voltage source (an ideal voltage source plus a resistance), we must observe that its equivalent resistance is non-ohmic -- aha, bringing the off-topic discussion back into it, see? :P ), so our analogous component must also be nonlinear.  In particular, it needs to have ~constant current over most of its charge, until it becomes depleted and charge goes to zero.

Real (ferromagnetic cored) inductors exhibit saturation, but this is the opposite effect: as flux goes up, the rate of flux per amp (the inductance) drops, so as you continue to charge it, the current rises exponentially, rather than leveling off.

You could make a locally battery-like inductor, by pre-saturating the core with a permanent magnet.  As flux builds up, the magnet is opposed, and inductance increases.  Downside: this doesn't continue forever; once you go over the center hump, inductance goes back down again, mirroring its initial rise, merely offset.

If moving parts are allowed*, a solenoid may be a better example.  As magnetic field rises, magnetic force tugs on the armature, opposing the force of a spring.  As the armature pulls in, the magnetic path is shortened, increasing inductance -- ah ha!  As the path shrinks, more and more flux must be added to increment the current, i.e., inductance rises more and more.  Eventually, the solenoid is fully charged (armature fully seated) and further charging only saturates the core again.  Downside, most solenoids actually pull stronger and stronger, as they close, due to geometry; you may find a real solenoid actually has so much inductance in the active region, it's actually beyond infinite and becomes negative -- which is another way to say, it exhibits hysteresis (the solenoid tends to stay pulled in, until the (relatively low) holding current is removed).  A solenoid could be shaped to have a flat flux-current curve, though.

*A battery has moving parts: charged atoms (ions) moving between electrodes, through an electrolyte.  They're just invisibly small... :-DD

The downside to a magnetic component is, the time constant over which it stores useful energy is very limited.  Current flow through the coil causes resistive losses, effectively giving a "shelf life" of milliseconds.  Conversely, eddy current losses in the core (when the magnetic field is changing, or when there is relative motion) make rapid dis/charging extremely inefficient, and the mass of the armature itself limits how fast mechanical motion can be transformed into electrical energy (again on the order of ~ms).

A solenoid made with superconductors would be pretty good, though.

Incidentally, there are actually superconducting energy storage devices; a coil akin to an MRI magnet (just smaller; more like a chemical NMR machine, microwave-oven-sized) is charged with a few thousand amperes, and some very beefy transistors keep the coil short-circuited most of the time, but allow that current to flow into a load as needed.  Because the inductor is air-cored, it doesn't suffer from saturation, and because superconducting wire is quite fine, it can be made with a great many turns, making it possible to carry kiloamperes in a fractional-henry value inductor, with the only steady-state loss being the switching circuit (which itself can be made superconducting, if the delay from operating a mechanical switch is acceptable).

Incidentally, I think I once calculated that ITER uses a total around a kilohenry of superconducting coils, at a typical current of a few kiloamperes, for its various field coils around the meters-tall reactor; in total storing some gigajoules of energy!  (They don't give you all the numbers, at least not without digging through design documents; but you can calculate these from some educated guesses and the numbers they do give.)

Oh look, I'm rambling about things; cool things, admittedly (get it, because we don't have room-temperature superconductors?..), but ah... guess I should go to bed. ;D

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2018, 06:15:09 am »
Going back to the original question...
In an ideal conductor, you could sort-of think of an electron going in one end with a particular energy, and coming out the other end with exactly the same energy.  In a real conductor, things in the conductor interfere with the passage - in particular it interacts with the electrons that are already in the atoms that make up conductor (and probably the nuclei as well) - and it ends up spending some of its energy making those move around on a molecular and atomic level (ie, generates heat.)  (it's one of the things that makes superconductors so amazing - how can you possibly move electronics through a medium without having them interact with anything?)

The same thing happens with water in a pipe - some of the kinetic energy of the individual water molecules gets wasted interacting with the walls of the tube, bumping into each other, and so on.
 

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2018, 06:22:26 am »
Getting back to the original question is exactly what should happen more often in the Beginners section.

To the OP, the departures from what may be helpful to you in this thread are not new or something special thrown down to scare you off.  It happens all too frequently.

So much so, this little graphic needs to be flown every now and then....

 

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2018, 02:34:03 pm »
Another classic symptom: once the original question is answered satisfactorily, thread drift and quibble is inevitable.

It is up to the reader to decide when the thread has lost its value.  Yet another skill, but this time at least it's generally applicable to all parts of life, including IRL conversations, Facebook comments and so on.

If the answer is not satisfactory to the OP, but OP does not respond in a timely manner to notify of that fact -- and give additional information with which to formulate a more appropriate answer -- replies will default to their own assumptions, and the above happens regardless.

You have a duty, as the question-asker, to steer conversation in a useful direction.  If you just leave it alone, what do you expect is going to happen? :-//

Most of all, this is a free forum, it's not like you've paid anyone to furnish an answer on a silver plate.  ;D  (Which, if you have a few bucks to spare, I'm sure many would work with you for a very good answer.  Tutoring isn't free!)

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2018, 05:38:08 pm »
Btw, a typical standard Q during exams from "Theory of Electromagnetic fields" subject the EE students usually get is to derive the Ohm's law from the Maxwell's equations.

I remember doing that, not as an undergrad, but in a graduate course in Microwave Electronics, which was really about Maxwell's Equations. And when the professor mentioned that you could derive Ohm's Law from Maxwell's Equations, it was a revelation.

In all of this discussion about whether Ohm's Law is really a law or just an observation, there's a parallel in Newton's Laws of Motion. They were derived from observation and the model works extraordinarily well. So well, in fact, that they're called a Law. But they are simplifications of a more-general and more difficult physics.
 

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Re: how exactly resistor works
« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2018, 05:46:32 pm »
I believe that Ohm's Law is a property of materials. And so to derive Ohm's Law from Maxwell's equations you would have to extend those equations to include parameters that describe properties of bulk materials. Wouldn't that make the derivation a circular argument?
 


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