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Offline Dat TranTopic starter

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I don't understand. Help me!
« on: August 07, 2015, 04:25:17 pm »
I don't understand why the LED blink when i assemble circuit below:

https://youtu.be/KToYHIfOVcE

I use my body to conduct (any thing is conductive)
any idea help me
Thank in advance!
« Last Edit: August 07, 2015, 04:51:05 pm by Dat Tran »
 

Offline 8086

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2015, 04:27:02 pm »
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Offline Dat TranTopic starter

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2015, 04:52:51 pm »
Yes. I fixed. Please explain me!
 

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2015, 05:34:50 pm »
Was this video taken with your cellphone or do you happen to have any other wireless devices nearby?  :popcorn:
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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2015, 07:11:21 pm »
Obviously the transistor starts to conduct. Hence there is some current flowing through your body.
The 2N222 has an hfe of around 50-100, thus the current through your body would only need to be around 0.1mA (or even less depending on the type of LED) to light up the LED.

Where does the circuit power come from?
Maybe an ungrounded SMPS? (Like a plugpack mobile charger?)
 

Offline Dat TranTopic starter

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2015, 07:45:30 pm »
I used a mobile charger 5V. it's nokia mobile charger
 

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2015, 07:49:56 pm »
There is no resistor in series with the LED that would limit the led current to it's safe rated value. You are in danger of burning out either the transistor or the led if left on. Although I can't understand how the led could even light up with the base grounded. I suspect you have damaged parts or you didn't draw exactly what you built.


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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2015, 08:24:30 pm »
You are 'earthed', not ´grounded'. Depending on your shoes, clothes, you potential is sufficient to polarize the transistor base. So it conducts but then, as retrolefty says, as there is no current limiting device, I suspect that your Nokia charger has too much current to source and maybe it's it which cuts power. And then the system recycles...
 

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2015, 10:17:32 pm »
Could the power supply be going in to over current protection or if its a weak battery powered deal it could be osculating seeing no resistor is added.
 

Offline Dat TranTopic starter

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2015, 10:12:58 am »
Hi,retrolefty. I don't understand why LED blink. But I draw exactly as I assemble. I sure
« Last Edit: August 08, 2015, 10:21:11 am by Dat Tran »
 

Offline Dat TranTopic starter

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2015, 10:18:48 am »
Hey, Gixy. I don't wear shoes or any clothes on foot. My foot on floor without clothes. I don't sure about Nokia charger but it still work
 

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2015, 11:06:40 am »
Im going to go with the simple answer.

You used a 12V flashing LED, rather than a normal LED  :-DD

This explains why its flashing and why it didn't explode due to no current limit resistor.

Flashing LEDs have a resistor and flashing circuit built inside.

One way you might have come across a flashing LED is from an old car alarm.

You can normally see a black blob inside flashing leds if you look close enough.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2015, 11:10:54 am by Psi »
Greek letter 'Psi' (not Pounds per Square Inch)
 

Offline Dat TranTopic starter

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2015, 01:25:07 pm »
No, no, Psi. I used a normal LED. It has one anode and one cathode, not resistor.
 

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2015, 02:22:41 pm »
You should try a few things to get the mimimum setup for reproducing the flash and report back.

1. serial a  resistor to the led and power them with batteries. Do you still see flash?

2. Short  the emitter to GND and keep hands off (and using batteries). Do you still see flash? (You said any conductive?)

3. Use you finger touch only the emitter.

« Last Edit: August 08, 2015, 02:29:46 pm by onlooker »
 

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2015, 04:55:19 pm »
I think the lack of an LED series resistor is the key. You've built an oscillator:

- current flows into transistor base
- transistor switches on
- LED lights
- power supply sees unexpected large current
- power supply protection circuit shuts off the supply
- LED goes out
- supply is restored
- goto 1

Try putting a 1K resistor in series with the LED and see what happens then.

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2015, 08:25:31 am »
Hey Andy, that's what I suggested and the proposal of onlooker will allow to fix it.
 

Offline Dat TranTopic starter

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2015, 07:16:39 pm »
Hey, onlooker
1. I serial a resistor to led. When i touch the base-resistor, LED flashes once and then stabilize, not flashes again.
2. When i touch emitter, LED no flashes

Thank you so much
 

Offline Dat TranTopic starter

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2015, 07:23:27 pm »
Hey, AndyC_772

You are right. i learned about Nokia charger, it is true that it will shutdown when excessive current, after it auto restart.
 

Offline Dat TranTopic starter

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Re: I don't understand. Help me!
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2015, 07:26:16 pm »
Thank all of you. i'm very happy because of explanation... One a gain, thank you so much
 


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