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Offline zzlong94Topic starter

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Ideal opamp output voltage
« on: November 23, 2017, 10:13:23 am »
I tried by using OrCad program to simulate the Ideal opamp and check for its output voltage.
However, the output of the voltage drifted.
Is it because of my circuit construction problem or the wave is correct?
any explanation on the output wave? 
 

Offline mikerj

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Re: Ideal opamp output voltage
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2017, 12:55:36 pm »
You have no DC feedback to stabilise the operating point.  Any slight voltage offset will be continuously integrated, which will cause the effect you are seeing.
 

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Offline zzlong94Topic starter

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Re: Ideal opamp output voltage
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2017, 02:06:08 pm »
Bro, so u r saying that thr is offset voltage for my opamp?
So it shifted my value of output voltage?
 

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Re: Ideal opamp output voltage
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2017, 02:34:01 pm »
Your simulation does not have "an ideal opamp". Instead it has an ordinary TL071 opamp that has an input offset voltage.
 

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Re: Ideal opamp output voltage
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2017, 06:03:48 pm »
Adding the feedback resistor moves the integration up to some higher frequency as discussed in the linked article.  That simply won't work for analog computing where signals (variables) are slow moving.  I want to be able to change 10V is 1 second or if the problem scales to 10x, I need 10V in 0.1 second.  AFAICT with my limited knowledge of analog computing, these are the highest frequencies involved.  In other words, right down to 0 Hz.

With the added resistor, all you have is a fancy low pass filter.

Offset voltage can often be nulled out by using the 'trim' pins on the op amp.

http://www.analog.com/media/en/training-seminars/tutorials/MT-037.pdf

The next analog computer I build will have the capability of adjusting the offset voltage.  I'm generally dealing in volt level signals so I'm not sure how important some number of microvolts really is.  It's not like the simulations last very long so there really isn't enough time for the offset voltage to impact the results.  And let's face it, I'm not dealing with high resolution.  'About' is good enough.  If you have seen one damped harmonic motion, you have pretty much seen them all.


 
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