Author Topic: Micro soldering (Read 5940 times)

Jane · « **on:** February 15, 2018, 08:44:15 pm »

What kind of soldering station do you use for micro soldering?Hakko or JBC or different?( By micro soldering I mean reparing devices of size like mobile phones ).Thanks

jmelson · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2018, 09:02:41 pm »

I use a Weller WSL with a WMP handle. They have a good variety of tips, including at least one with a needle-sharp tip. (I think this one has a steel core, not copper, which doesn't conduct heat as well, though.) But, I now use this for nearly all my soldering, and think it is GREAT! I do leaded parts down to 0.4mm lead pitch, under a stereo microscope. This is not a cheap station, but I got my home one off eBay at a decent discount.

Jon

nanofrog · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2018, 10:05:19 pm »

FWIW, I've both Weller WSP80 & WMP irons connected to a WD1 control unit. Despite owning the smaller WMP and a microscope, I actually do the vast majority of my SMD work with the WSP80, including fine pitch (drag solder technique).

A hot air station came in second, followed by a preheater, and finally the micro iron.

flolic · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2018, 10:41:48 pm »

JBC CD-2BC station, T210 handle with C210-009 tip.
Can do 01005 parts (0.4x0.2mm) easily. Depending of job, you may need PCB preheater.

KrudyZ · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2018, 10:43:31 pm »

JBC Nano and a good inspection microscope...

Jane · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2018, 07:07:30 am »

Thank you for replies.
Nobody uses Hakko such as Hakko FM-2032/FX-951 ?
I watched Hakko FM-2032/FX-951 review, micro pencil soldering iron & station.
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by Louis Rossmann .
He also mentioned JBC but prefers Hakko.
Any comments? Thanks

Jwillis · « **Reply #6 on:** February 16, 2018, 07:20:42 am »

I just recently bought a Quick 861 DW and it works great.Hakko was just to far out of range for my budget.Personally,based on what I've seen ,Hakko is more just name than product now.

Jane · « **Reply #7 on:** February 16, 2018, 11:28:39 am »

Yes, I was also thinking about Quick 861 DW too but it is hot air station, isn't it?
But Hakko FM-2032/FX-951 is a (micro)soldering station.

nanofrog · « **Reply #8 on:** February 16, 2018, 06:08:28 pm »

Quote from: Jane on February 16, 2018, 11:28:39 am

Yes, I was also thinking about Quick 861 DW too but it is hot air station, isn't it?
But Hakko FM-2032/FX-951 is a (micro)soldering station.

Yes, the Quick 861DW is a hot air station.

As per the Hakko, the FX951 with the standard iron (FM-2027) is a fantastic deal for those in North America (great performer, and the tips can be had for $10.47 per for most common profiles). In my case, it wasn't out when I purchased my soldering station.

The FM-2032 however is much newer, and doesn't have that much of a tip selection at this point (I'm seeing only 6 tips available, and they're expensive at $36.57 per). So the tip issues might be the primary reason it's not gained a lot of traction thus far.

For disclosure, I got the prices from TEquipment.net (no affiliation other than as a customer).

kony · « **Reply #9 on:** February 16, 2018, 07:09:27 pm »

If soldering bodgewires to side of 0,4mm pitch QFN applies as micro soldering, then Ersa i-con with 0,2mm sharp short tip (love it, so lightweight handle and ready in 6s). Fixes of 0201 components are not a problem either.

Jane · « **Reply #10 on:** February 16, 2018, 09:36:06 pm »

@nanofrog: I think FM-2032 is a handpiece kit that makes microsoldering possible but I need a base station such as FX951 + microsoldering tip. Is it so?

RayRay · « **Reply #11 on:** February 16, 2018, 10:18:57 pm »

nanofrog · « **Reply #12 on:** February 16, 2018, 10:54:43 pm »

Quote from: Jane on February 16, 2018, 09:36:06 pm

@nanofrog: I think FM-2032 is a handpiece kit that makes microsoldering possible but I need a base station such as FX951 + microsoldering tip. Is it so?

That is correct (FX-951 is the power & control unit, and it comes with the FM-2027 iron, stand, heat pad, and brass wool cleaner).

The FM-2032 (iron only or kit) is an additional option.

nanofrog · « **Reply #13 on:** February 17, 2018, 12:42:52 am »

Some documents that might be of interest.

From Hakko:

From JBC:

In regard to consumables, don't cheap out. Not only will you get better results, it'll save money and aggravation as well by purchasing quality stuff (solder, wick, flux, solder paste).

Teledog · « **Reply #14 on:** February 17, 2018, 08:39:16 pm »

Repairs?
Pre-heater & hot air gun, with kapton tape &/or metal cans surrounding the repair.
And two JBC with fine tips, two-handed/in unison, for manipulating the passives. It takes practice, but works well.
Don't forget the rosin flux pen.

Jane · « **Reply #15 on:** February 17, 2018, 09:03:12 pm »

JBC is more expensive than Hakko. And for less money I get more when buying Hakko( as I could learn from the review)

Neomys Sapiens · « **Reply #16 on:** February 17, 2018, 11:52:59 pm »

Quote from: nanofrog on February 15, 2018, 10:05:19 pm

FWIW, I've both Weller WSP80 & WMP irons connected to a WD1 control unit. Despite owning the smaller WMP and a microscope, I actually do the vast majority of my SMD work with the WSP80, including fine pitch (drag solder technique).

A hot air station came in second, followed by a preheater, and finally the micro iron.

About the same, with a WSD160 added because of SMD power devices. I also use the WTA50 for clean removal, which is very important, as you damage pads easily when improvising here.
I think that I will skip the WMP and go for the WMRS next.
You could use any of the 80W capable stations in place of the WSL (PU80, WD1, WD2M, PU81..)
My preheater is a recycled heating pad from a chemistry lab.

I have access to some JCB stations, but most of the time this does it.

Teledog · « **Reply #17 on:** February 18, 2018, 12:24:56 am »

I did get a good eBay deal on a couple of older (rarely used) analog JBC stations.
The tip removal/replacement is at an angle, not like the new vertical thing on the digital units

nanofrog · « **Reply #18 on:** February 18, 2018, 12:52:32 am »

Quote from: Neomys Sapiens on February 17, 2018, 11:52:59 pm

I think that I will skip the WMP and go for the WMRS next.

FWIW, the WMP is discontinued, and has been replaced by the WP65.

It's tips are held in a retainer tube like that of the WP80 (retainer tip includes the grip). Much nicer IMHO than mine where the tip is spot welded to a tube that screws up inside the handle.


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