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Offline UnordungTopic starter

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Multivibrator triggering
« on: June 29, 2018, 02:45:46 am »
Hello,
I am building a small one shot timer circuit for a friend. The circuit is to control the glow plugs on a deisel motor.
The plan was to use a one shot monostable multivibrator which would kick in when the key is turned on and provide a 12 v pulse to a mosfet for 10 sec.
After which it would turn off and stay off.

Simple enough using a 555 so I built a few circuits in Multisim. I quickly learned however that the 555 needs a low pulse to trigger the action, thinking simply I
Built an astable multivibrator to connect to the trigger pin using transistors. It oscillates at a frequency of about 7hz.
 I'm having an issue however as multisim
a) Keeps crashing while simulating.
b) shows a constant voltage at the 555 output of about 6v.
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Therefore I'm unable to test the operation of this circuit or if I'm even on the right track. Can anyone confirm that an oscillator can be used to trigger a monostable multivibrator or is it required to be a quick negative pulse and return to vss?
Can anyone shed some light on why Multisim hates this circuit?

Here is the Multisim schematic.



A few notes worthy of mention.
This is just the basic controller circuit, the glowplugs will certainly be connected to a mosfet or relay etc capable of handling the huge current they need.
My friend also wants a potentiometer which will replace the 90k resistor and an override which will be a simple button which will allow the glow plugs to stay on while the button is pressed etc.

« Last Edit: June 29, 2018, 02:47:32 am by Unordung »
 

Offline Ian.M

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Re: Multivibrator triggering
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2018, 03:22:40 am »
Over-complex!

Get rid of the two transistor multivibrator, connect both Trigger and Threshold to the junction of R5 and C3, and disconnect Discharge.   To ensure it resets quickly when power is removed, connect a diode from the R5,C3 junction, to Vcc, cathode to Vcc.

You may also need a RC network on Reset - try a 10K pullup and 100nF to Gnd.


For the override, a SPDT pushbutton could be used to disconnect the MOSFET gate from the 555 output and instead connect it to the VCC rail.

Caution: Automotive electrical systems typically have *very* nasty spikes and transients - don't expect a NE555 to be reliable unless you protect its supply against over-voltage and brief negative going spikes.

« Last Edit: June 29, 2018, 03:24:16 am by Ian.M »
 
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Offline GigaJoe

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Re: Multivibrator triggering
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2018, 03:33:24 am »
"Very" can be up to 60-80 Volts spikes, so power LC filters ... an attention to false positive triggering due to noise  ...
 

Offline UnordungTopic starter

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Re: Multivibrator triggering
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2018, 06:25:38 am »
Over-complex!

Get rid of the two transistor multivibrator, connect both Trigger and Threshold to the junction of R5 and C3, and disconnect Discharge.   To ensure it resets quickly when power is removed, connect a diode from the R5,C3 junction, to Vcc, cathode to Vcc.

You may also need a RC network on Reset - try a 10K pullup and 100nF to Gnd.

Thanking you kindly for the input, I will give this a go tomorrow and report back.

For the override, a SPDT pushbutton could be used to disconnect the MOSFET gate from the 555 output and instead connect it to the VCC rail.

Yes I was going to use a diode on the output of the 555 and just connect a spst switch after it. Your suggestion is likely a bit more professional..


Caution: Automotive electrical systems typically have *very* nasty spikes and transients - don't expect a NE555 to be reliable unless you protect its supply against over-voltage and brief negative going spikes.

My intention was to use a lm7809 - lm7812 to power this circuit which ****should****  at least in my experience be sufficient to give a nice clean supply. Please feel free to offer a better solution, however.




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Offline Ian.M

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Re: Multivibrator triggering
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2018, 09:01:10 am »
IIRC A LM7809 has an abs.max. input voltage rating of 35V, so certainly isn't suitable on its own.   However if you use a unidirectional TVS diode with a max clamping voltage <35V that can standoff 18V, between its input and ground, with a high wattage pulse-rated wirewound resistor upstream of that, you can make a low current automotive supply for electronics that *is* reliable and can pass the industry standard tests for such a supply.

If you use a regulator with a higher max. input voltage rating it relaxes the constraints on the TVS diode and wirewound resistor considerably.

See https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aeevblog.com%2Fforum+%22load+dump%22 for related threads here.
 


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