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Offline dentakuTopic starter

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mysterious CAP setting on my DMM?
« on: December 05, 2013, 10:29:52 pm »
I have a regular hardware store meter made by Mastercraft (52-0052-2).
It has a setting named CAP and I have no clue how to use it.
The display shows that it measures in nF and uF but I can't see how a multimeter can do this. It seems to measure nothing :)
 

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Re: mysterious CAP setting on my DMM?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2013, 10:40:26 pm »
It is maybe a bit unconventional but have you thought about reading the manual  :o
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Re: mysterious CAP setting on my DMM?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2013, 10:43:39 pm »
reading the manual  :o
Blasphemy! :scared:

How have you tested this function on your meter? Have you tried connecting a capacitor to he input of the multimeter?
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Re: mysterious CAP setting on my DMM?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2013, 11:15:10 pm »
Yes I have.
It just gives me random values that have nothing to do with the particular capacitor.

reading the manual  :o
Blasphemy! :scared:

How have you tested this function on your meter? Have you tried connecting a capacitor to he input of the multimeter?
 

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Re: mysterious CAP setting on my DMM?
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2013, 11:18:56 pm »
I read the manual obviously :)
This is what it says
Capacitance Measurement
1.  Discharge the capacitor being tested before starting the measurment.
2.  Set the function/range switch to the CAP position.
3.  Insert the black (negative) test lead into the "COM" jack and the red (positive) test lead into the V/? /F/  /   jack. NOTE: The multimeter will be in auto-ranging only.
4.  Touch the test lead tips across the devise under test. The red test lead to the positive and the black test lead to the negative.
5.  Read the value and unit shown on the LCD. If OL is displayed, the value of the capacitor is over the maximum range of the multimeter

I guess mine just doesn't work in that setting. I've never seen it do anything useful.

It is maybe a bit unconventional but have you thought about reading the manual  :o
http://www.tnt-net.ca/ve6kq/mastercraftdmm.htm
 

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Re: mysterious CAP setting on my DMM?
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2013, 11:24:36 pm »
Probably won't work above 10uF. Polarity matters for electrolytic/tantalum
Or your meter could just be crap.
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Re: mysterious CAP setting on my DMM?
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2013, 11:25:01 pm »
First of all, what capacitor are you testing? Second, have you tried to measure other capacitors of the same value (or different values) to the point where you'll get a stable reading from your DMM?

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Re: mysterious CAP setting on my DMM?
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2013, 11:42:33 pm »
I guess mine just doesn't work in that setting. I've never seen it do anything useful.

What value cap are you testing it with. 

The larger the capacitance, the longer the test will take. 

On my VC99 meter for example, measuring 100uF takes about 7 seconds to produce a result, before which time it will just displays 0 (of course, depends on your meter....) which if you were not expecting that you might think "this thing isn't working", when it is working, it's just taking a while because you're measuring a "large" capacitance.



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Re: mysterious CAP setting on my DMM?
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2013, 02:20:15 am »
OK, I just tested out a few more and you're right. It's just quite slow with caps larger than 10uF and it doesn't work at all on 100uF or larger ones.
You can see that it's not a feature I've really ever cared about. I was just curious.

I just connected it to my oscilloscope and it seems to charge the cap to a certain voltage (looks like 1.5V) then discharge it to 1V, charges again then discharge half way then back up again.
I'm assuming it's timing how long it takes to do this and just solves for C because it already knows T and R?

This IS the Beginner forum so I'm asking beginner questions here.

I guess mine just doesn't work in that setting. I've never seen it do anything useful.

What value cap are you testing it with. 

The larger the capacitance, the longer the test will take. 

On my VC99 meter for example, measuring 100uF takes about 7 seconds to produce a result, before which time it will just displays 0 (of course, depends on your meter....) which if you were not expecting that you might think "this thing isn't working", when it is working, it's just taking a while because you're measuring a "large" capacitance.
 

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Re: mysterious CAP setting on my DMM?
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2013, 02:23:19 am »
I just connected it to my oscilloscope and it seems to charge the cap to a certain voltage (looks like 1.5V) then discharge it to 1V, charges again then discharge half way then back up again.
I'm assuming it's timing how long it takes to do this and just solves for C because it already knows T and R?

Basically. More likely, knowing Delta-T, Delta-V and I, it solves I = C dv/dt for C. This allows it to use the same current source that it uses to test resistors, so the capacitance function can be implemented entirely in software using existing hardware.
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Re: mysterious CAP setting on my DMM?
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2013, 09:49:16 pm »
Nice.
At least I wasn't way off on that.

I just connected it to my oscilloscope and it seems to charge the cap to a certain voltage (looks like 1.5V) then discharge it to 1V, charges again then discharge half way then back up again.
I'm assuming it's timing how long it takes to do this and just solves for C because it already knows T and R?

Basically. More likely, knowing Delta-T, Delta-V and I, it solves I = C dv/dt for C. This allows it to use the same current source that it uses to test resistors, so the capacitance function can be implemented entirely in software using existing hardware.
 


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