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Offline mdijkens

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Repairing short circuit in laptop
« on: November 19, 2018, 08:27:34 am »
Hi,

I am trying to repair the ASUS ROG G751JY of my son which has a short in the power circuit.
Without having much knowledge, experience or information I am finding my way throught the power circuit part.
Near the 2 mosfets there's a small SMD component which I assume is a tantalum (??) or maybe a diode (?) but can't find any info on.
See attachment.
I desoldered it and it measures a dead short both ways and no capacitance.

Does anyone know what component this is?

For problem finding I am thinking of putting my lab power on it with current limiting on 1A (for a brief moment) and spray alcohol over the components to see which ones get hot. Is this a good approach?
 

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Re: Repairing short circuit in laptop
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2018, 08:44:01 am »
Looks like Panasonic poscap (tantalum polymer). Seem to be 15uF, not sure about series and voltage rating though. EDIT: but it seem to be rather big, so I'd guess it could be 35V. Is it connected in parallel to charger input?
« Last Edit: November 19, 2018, 08:56:11 am by wraper »
 

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Re: Repairing short circuit in laptop
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2018, 09:00:04 am »
Yep that looks like it. Probably 25V or higher (for a 19.5V power supply)
If I measure it (off board), it's a dead short and no capacitance.

Since I don't have a spare, Just trying to power the board without it, but that doesn't work: No short but also no power consumption 0.000A
Could that be a critical piece? I would at least expect the laptop to consume something if this cap was the only problem ...
 

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Re: Repairing short circuit in laptop
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2018, 09:16:06 am »
The capacitor shorting could have taken out other parts as well. The 2 parts marked 4983NZ are MOSFETs which could have been used as switches. Here's the data sheet.

https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/NTMFS4983NF-D.PDF
 

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Re: Repairing short circuit in laptop
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2018, 09:16:39 am »
Probably blown fuse as well. Also measure resistance of R005 part on top right corner which seem to be 5 mOhm shunt resistor.
 

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Re: Repairing short circuit in laptop
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2018, 09:37:22 am »
Thanks

How can I test the mosfets?
Fuse? How to look for it?
I will measure the R005
 

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Re: Repairing short circuit in laptop
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2018, 09:56:08 am »
Look for something like this in between circuit on the photo and charging connector.

 

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Re: Repairing short circuit in laptop
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2018, 12:27:56 pm »
Is it my imagination or is the soldering butched around the MOSFETs?
Did something melt the solder?
 

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Re: Repairing short circuit in laptop
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2018, 08:08:35 pm »
The picture isn't mine
I had to put the laptop back together as not to forget where all the stupid screws go ::)
When I have a new tantalum I'm opening it up again and do all the testing/measuring. I just want to be more prepared then because it's a terrible laptop to take apart; 100 screws and everything needs to get off  :-\
 

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Re: Repairing short circuit in laptop
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2018, 06:32:15 am »
I replaced a motherboard aftrer a video fail. I learned the hard way. Make lots of drawings or take pictures. Note screw lengths and where they go and where cables plug in. That was my first tome inside a laptop. I did get it working ,learned a bit but it was a PIA. You can't do too much documentation. You think you remember where something came from until it is time to put it back.

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Re: Repairing short circuit in laptop
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2019, 04:06:55 am »
I have put in the new tantalum, but still no power.
I tried measuring as much as I can / understand, but I am not going to solve this  :-[
The problem is in the initial path near the power-adapter. There's no power going to the charge-circuit and not to the laptop itself

I there anyone here who lives (or knows someone) in The Netherlands and wants to give it a try.
I am more then happy to pay 100 euro's if someone can fix this...
 

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Re: Repairing short circuit in laptop
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2019, 08:20:36 am »
Thanks

How can I test the mosfets?
Fuse? How to look for it?
I will measure the R005

https://www.utm.edu/staff/leeb/mostest.htm

This is the fastest but not very rigorous method.
 

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Re: Repairing short circuit in laptop
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2019, 12:52:13 pm »
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100 screws and everything needs to get off  :-\
This why I just  |O when someone watching too much Louis Rossman comes around and complains about the cost of a laptop repair. Laptops are essentially not made to be repaired, at all. This is like a car where every service item is completely inaccessible until you strip the thing down to parts. And after "repairing it" there's often no way to even verify if you succeeded until most of those pieces are put back together. Most broken laptops should just go in the trash.
 

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Re: Repairing short circuit in laptop
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2019, 03:08:01 am »
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100 screws and everything needs to get off  :-\

You're lucky, because many famous producers use glue instead of screws.
And in that case the expletives are unlimited.:rant:
 


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