Soldering wire to camera

[Midas]

An inverter has 4 pins. PWR, GND, IN, and OUT.  Simply put, it takes a signal and reverses it.  So If you had voltage IN, it would show ground on its OUT.

If you used a or I think you could forget the inverter, and use a P-Channel Mosfet.

So something like this maybe.....

This, of course, is if your sensors OUT sinks to ground.  What happens is the +5V will supply the P-Channel mosFET with power, making no current flow through the mosFET. Once the sensor is activated, it sinks that +5volts to ground through the sensor, and the mosFET will then see a ground and allow current to flow through it. 

Does that make sense to you?

Yes it kind of makes sense actually I had to read it and look at diagram a few times I just need to know how to do it. I see your saying get a P mosfet so not just any mosfet will work

[sleemanj]

5. Touch the two wires together for a brief moment
6. See if the camera takes the picture.

  no it dont

Then you need to solve that problem first

First thing, solder the wires diagonally like this: 

[Falcon69]

you need to check and make sure that the sensor you have actually sinks its S_OUT to ground.  By looking at that data sheet, I think it does.

There is one way to check.  Take a resistor, connect it to 5volts, then take an LED and connect the Anode to the other end of the resistor and then connect the LED's Cathode to the S_OUT of the sensor.  Trigger the sensor, if the LED Lights, then it sinks it's input to ground.

If it does that, then the circuit I have drawn should work.

Maybe others have more input.

You said earlier you used paste to connect the wires to the switch?  Oh lord, you need to solder those to the switch.  Paste (if you mean glue) won't provide a connection.  Get some solder, maybe .032 inch diameter solder wire, and make sure it has flux in it. Solder those wires to those switch contacts.  Don't hold that soldering iron on there too long, you will damage that small switch. If you used solder paste, you need to heat that up until it becomes a solid solder and solders the wires to the switch contacts.

[Midas]

5. Touch the two wires together for a brief moment
6. See if the camera takes the picture.

  no it dont

Then you need to solve that problem first

First thing, solder the wires diagonally like this: 

ok I think I got what you are saying my issue is in how to solder it on the points

[Falcon69]

They make several kinds of mosFETs.  N-Channel and P-Channel are the most common.  Each kind of mosFET works differently than the other. You will need a P-Channel for that circuit I drew to work..

But, You need to make sure that sensor sinks its S_OUT to ground by doing that test I said above in previous post with the LED.  If the S_OUT provides a voltage (instead of sinking), then my circuit won't work.  In fact, that switch will probably stay on continuously, which is probably not good for that camera.

[Midas]

you need to check and make sure that the sensor you have actually sinks its S_OUT to ground.  By looking at that data sheet, I think it does.

There is one way to check.  Take a resistor, connect it to 5volts, then take an LED and connect the Anode to the other end of the resistor and then connect the LED's Cathode to the S_OUT of the sensor.  Trigger the sensor, if the LED Lights, then it sinks it's input to ground.

If it does that, then the circuit I have drawn should work.

Maybe others have more input.

You said earlier you used paste to connect the wires to the switch?  Oh lord, you need to solder those to the switch.  Paste (if you mean glue) won't provide a connection.  Get some solder, maybe .032 inch diameter solder wire, and make sure it has flux in it. Solder those wires to those switch contacts.  Don't hold that soldering iron on there too long, you will damage that small switch. If you used solder paste, you need to heat that up until it becomes a solid solder and solders the wires to the switch contacts.

its easy soldering the ends of the wires pretty easily but when I try to solder it to the camera that's when the issue comes in  that's why I got paste cause I thought it would be easier. I checked the switch it still works and it don't matter I got a better camera I was using this as a test dummy

[sleemanj]

you need to check and make sure that the sensor you have actually sinks its S_OUT to ground.  By looking at that data sheet, I think it does.

I don't think it does (oh wait, unless you mean when it's not triggered, in which case, ignore the below because it would have to, nope read the rest of your post and your circuit diagram (with an error, if the switch voltage is like that it would conduct through the body diode all the time), I think you've just got it inverted, the sensor, according to the link provided by the poster outputs HIGH on trigger, LOW on not trigger).

I believe it outputs 5v when triggered, it has two trigger modes, either a continual output of 5v when movement, or a 5 second high output.

See the link to the information in the link the poster has provided, and if you read the PDF there, it gives you a link to arduino code, nd if you look at that, you'll find

Code: [Select]

boolean isPeopleDetected()
{
int sensorValue = digitalRead(PIR_MOTION_SENSOR);
if(sensorValue == HIGH)//if the sensor value is HIGH?
{
return true;//yes,return true
}
else
{
return false;//no,return false
}
}

[Midas]

you need to check and make sure that the sensor you have actually sinks its S_OUT to ground.  By looking at that data sheet, I think it does.

I don't think it does (oh wait, unless you mean when it's not triggered, in which case, ignore the below because it would have to).

I believe it outputs 5v when triggered, it has two trigger modes, either a continual output of 5v when movement, or a 5 second high output.

See the link to the information in the link the poster has provided, and if you read the PDF there, it gives you a link to arduino code, nd if you look at that, you'll find

Code: [Select]

boolean isPeopleDetected()
{
int sensorValue = digitalRead(PIR_MOTION_SENSOR);
if(sensorValue == HIGH)//if the sensor value is HIGH?
{
return true;//yes,return true
}
else
{
return false;//no,return false
}
}

I am not using an arduino I didn't want to use one plus I cant find my arduino

[sleemanj]

I am not using an arduino I didn't want to use one plus I cant find my arduino

I posted the code, found from the link you provided, in order to show, that the sensor outputs 5v on the output pin when it is triggered.

I think this is all a bit beyond you really, if you're having problems soldering two connections to two pads, then you need to practice your soldering first.

Small steps.  Walk before you can run.  Make a device that lights an LED when movement is triggered for a start.

[Falcon69]

Midas,

Try this site and download the applet.

http://www.falstad.com/circuit/

It's not the best simulator, but it gives you an idea on how the basic electronic components work.  It's fun to play with also.

You can even draw out that circuit I posted, and add some LEDs and see it work.

If the sensor outputs a voltage, then this circuit should work fine using an N-Channel mosFET.

[Midas]

I am not using an arduino I didn't want to use one plus I cant find my arduino

I posted the code, found from the link you provided, in order to show, that the sensor outputs 5v on the output pin when it is triggered.

I think this is all a bit beyond you really, if you're having problems soldering two connections to two pads, then you need to practice your soldering first.

Small steps.  Walk before you can run.  Make a device that lights an LED when movement is triggered for a start.

Do you have any advice on how to solder to practice to lead me to soldering the top correctly I will look at videos of course.

[Falcon69]

actually, for the N-mosFET, since your sensor outputs only 5volts, you may need to order a logic-level N-channel mosFET. A regular N-channel mosFET may not (and probably won't) work.

[Falcon69]

Here's one Dave did. He's done a few of them, but doing a search on YouTube for "solder Tutorial" yields many results.

[Falcon69]

what type of solder are you using?  On the solder package, does it say ANYTHING about flux or Rosin Core?  If it doesn't, you are most likely using a solder without flux, and in that case, you are going to have hard trouble soldering anything with it.  I had that problem starting out.  I just could solder crap until I watched learning videos and realized my solder was junk.

[Midas]

what type of solder are you using?  On the solder package, does it say ANYTHING about flux or Rosin Core?  If it doesn't, you are most likely using a solder without flux, and in that case, you are going to have hard trouble soldering anything with it.  I had that problem starting out.  I just could solder crap until I watched learning videos and realized my solder was junk.

yes I saw rosin on package I got standard 60/40

[sleemanj]

Do you have any advice on how to solder to practice

Build some thing(s) on prototype board, assemble some electronics kit(s), anything.

Make a simple thing, like a 555 led flasher on your breadboard, and then solder it up onto a prototype PCB.

Or buy a soldering practice board from eBay or somewhere, eg http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-DIY-SMD-Components-Welding-Practice-Board-Soldering-Skill-Training-BLUE-LED-/381067026447?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58b95d600f  - no relation just one of the first that came up ), some will do stuff, others are just dummy boards.

[Midas]

you need to check and make sure that the sensor you have actually sinks its S_OUT to ground.  By looking at that data sheet, I think it does.

There is one way to check.  Take a resistor, connect it to 5volts, then take an LED and connect the Anode to the other end of the resistor and then connect the LED's Cathode to the S_OUT of the sensor.  Trigger the sensor, if the LED Lights, then it sinks it's input to ground.

If it does that, then the circuit I have drawn should work.

Maybe others have more input.

You said earlier you used paste to connect the wires to the switch?  Oh lord, you need to solder those to the switch.  Paste (if you mean glue) won't provide a connection.  Get some solder, maybe .032 inch diameter solder wire, and make sure it has flux in it. Solder those wires to those switch contacts.  Don't hold that soldering iron on there too long, you will damage that small switch. If you used solder paste, you need to heat that up until it becomes a solid solder and solders the wires to the switch contacts.

what did you mean by anode and cathode? is it the positive and negative connections im trying to remember. I will stop by radioshack and pick up and LED and see what kind of mosfets they have just in case I may need to order one.

[Falcon69]

here you go

http://www.michaelsharris.com/electronics/images/led.gif

The long lead on the LED is always the Anode.

[Midas]

I am still having issues. I actually got the solder to stick to the camera  , but when I put the wires together it still didn't take picture  . Is there any other way possibly to do this cause I have no idea why it is not working 

[G7PSK]

Get a short length of wire with bare ends. Turn your camera on and then place one end of the wire on a pad at the side of the shutter button then poke each pad in turn until the camera clicks or takes a photo, if it does not work move the first end of the wire to another pad and then go around again until the shutter works those two pads will be the ones you need to solder you remote control wires to.

[Midas]

Get a short length of wire with bare ends. Turn your camera on and then place one end of the wire on a pad at the side of the shutter button then poke each pad in turn until the camera clicks or takes a photo, if it does not work move the first end of the wire to another pad and then go around again until the shutter works those two pads will be the ones you need to solder you remote control wires to.

  I am a bit lost but when I get home I will upload a photo I already soldered it is there a way I can take it apart

[G7PSK]

You can leave the soldered wire for now, just find the right contact points for the shutter to operate with another piece of wire. Then move the soldered piece as required. I suspect that one is the very fine trace next to the button.

[Midas]

You can leave the soldered wire for now, just find the right contact points for the shutter to operate with another piece of wire. Then move the soldered piece as required. I suspect that one is the very fine trace next to the button.

I thought I understood you but I see that I didn't so I take a bare wire and see where?

[SL4P]

Does anyone else have that feeling of 'pulling teeth'?

[Falcon69]

BE Nice SL4P, this is beginner section.

Midas, need to follow directions. Unsolder those wires, take a single wire, strip about 1/2" of insulation off the ends.  Touch a corner of the switch (on its contact) and take the other end of the wire and touch each of the other corners of the switch until the camera takes a picture, when it takes a picture, that is where you need to solder the wires of your sensor too.