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Offline tomplTopic starter

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Switch 9v with 3v
« on: November 04, 2017, 09:00:52 pm »
Hi

I'm looking to switch 9v with 3v ideally with I2C as im planning to control it via a esp8266 im looking to do it for 32 channels is there any component out there that will do this?

Just to give you idea i want to launch fireworks next year using a simple 9v battery. just like http://pyrostation.com/?product=launch-kontrol-pulse

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Re: Switch 9v with 3v
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2017, 09:42:16 pm »
I'm thinking 2xMCP23017 with 32xRLB8721PBF
 

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Re: Switch 9v with 3v
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2017, 09:49:12 pm »
How much current?

What sort of 9V battery is it? A tiny little PP3 battery can't provide much current, just over 1A peak and 150mA continuously.
https://cellpacksolutions.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ultralife-u9vl-jp-technical-data-sheet.pdf
 

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Re: Switch 9v with 3v
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2017, 09:55:08 pm »
Just a normal alkaline PP3 battery it only needs to be on for 150 ms.
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Re: Switch 9v with 3v
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Re: Switch 9v with 3v
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2017, 08:54:52 am »
Just about any raspberry pi i2c gpio expander will do
 

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Re: Switch 9v with 3v
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2017, 10:33:00 am »
Just about any raspberry pi i2c gpio expander will do
.... if you want to blow up your Pi or ESP8266.  The minimum to do it reliably would be to have the I/O expander drive a beefy logic level N channel MOSFET on the low side of the firing circuit for each channel.

Without knowing the ignitor resistance, no-one has any idea how much current is required for the firing pulse.  We don't even know if the launch controller linked to by the O.P uses a supercap or similar to allow the firing pulse to be much higher current than a PP3 battery can directly supply.
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Re: Switch 9v with 3v
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2017, 03:58:25 pm »
I can't see any caps but if it helps here is the lunch quntrol board
 

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Re: Switch 9v with 3v
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2017, 04:12:43 pm »
Well that board appears to be very simple. Its just switches and indicator LEDs.

Can you measure the resistance of an igniter?  Caution: there is a risk of it igniting so don't use an analog meter and don't use one that uses a high test voltage.  Use long enough wires that you don't have to hold the igniter, and place the igniter on a flameproof surface while testing it.
 

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Re: Switch 9v with 3v
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2017, 04:32:38 pm »
Ok so I tried to test it but it seems to be the same resistance as just connecting the leads together :/ may need a better multimeter

Could it be 0 \$\Omega\$
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Re: Switch 9v with 3v
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2017, 05:13:18 pm »
I'd suggest opto-isolated relays. These can be made or can be found in ready-made modules with multiple channels. So basically you provide a signal to the opto-isolator, which then provides an isolated signal from a relay battery to operate the relays, which in turn switches power from the igniter battery to the igniter.

Here's a decent overview of what I just said: https://arduino-info.wikispaces.com/RelayIsolation

Having multiple batteries to insert/turn on before the system operates is a good thing from the safety point of view. I hope you put some real security in the wifi software as well, so nobody hijacks your explosives.
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Re: Switch 9v with 3v
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2017, 05:39:46 pm »
Ok so I tried to test it but it seems to be the same resistance as just connecting the leads together :/ may need a better multimeter

Could it be 0 \$\Omega\$
Of course it can be zero Ohms. It's just lower, than your meter can detect.

It sounds like it will take more current than a PP3 battery can provide.
 

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Re: Switch 9v with 3v
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2017, 05:46:48 pm »
Of course it can be zero Ohms. It's just lower, than your meter can detect.

It sounds like it will take more current than a PP3 battery can provide.

If you short a 9 V battery against wire wool I think it gets red hot and ignites? So such a battery could provide enough energy in short pulses to ignite a fuse, if the igniter was designed with that power source in mind.
 

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Re: Switch 9v with 3v
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2017, 05:51:40 pm »
I know the clips work I used them last night :)
 

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Re: Switch 9v with 3v
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2017, 05:55:39 pm »
Of course it can be zero Ohms. It's just lower, than your meter can detect.

It sounds like it will take more current than a PP3 battery can provide.

If you short a 9 V battery against wire wool I think it gets red hot and ignites? So such a battery could provide enough energy in short pulses to ignite a fuse, if the igniter was designed with that power source in mind.
Yes that will work because only a low voltage is required across the wire wool, but this isn't wire wool. It's a specially designed fuse and we don't know what voltage is required for it to ignite. Even then, the controller still needs to carry on working, so the battery voltage can't drop too low.
 

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