Yes i understand, a voltage drop of 1.5 Volts loaded is a little undesirable, i guess this is the poorer regulation by using the transistor after the regulator. I also understand using a modest pnp transistor to drive an npn transistor before the regulator. I might except the voltage drop under load. If not then use a MJ2955 before the LM317. Most of what i try is from searches of schematics. Thanks again for the help