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All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« on: September 21, 2017, 12:21:36 am »
It's a new distributed block chain based content system, check it out:
https://lbry.io/
lbry://@EEVblog

The developers pulled over all my content from Youtube which took several weeks.
 

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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2017, 12:46:37 am »
"This software is in beta. It may crash, work unreliably, or inadvertently put a curse on your family for generations (a common programming error). "

FAIL.  WTF?  What's the point.  I am reluctant to download software that isn't in the official Debian repositories.
 

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2017, 01:47:30 am »
"This software is in beta. It may crash, work unreliably, or inadvertently put a curse on your family for generations (a common programming error). "

FAIL.  WTF?  What's the point.  I am reluctant to download software that isn't in the official Debian repositories.

Not a FAIL, just unusual honesty. The same is true of much (most?) software you pay for.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2017, 01:49:48 am »
I hope this is more than just "Must jump on the buzzword-du-jour cart, and today that cart is labelled 'block-chain'".
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2017, 02:11:45 am »
I think most things need to go 'pay for actual usage'.  Here in the US the telcos love to sell unlimited plans but cut you off if you actually 'use too much'.  Like they are giving Grandma who only checks her email once a week refunds.
 

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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2017, 02:47:19 am »
I waited for minutes for any video to load. Doesn't seem to work here in Chile.

Never mind. I closed the program and restarted it, Seems to work now.
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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2017, 03:43:36 am »
I think what bothers me most is that they allude to using your network connection and computer to serve up content but don't state it explicitly.  If it is 'block chain' I'd expect to receive credit of some sort in exchange.  Again, this isn't spelled out.  It said you can charge for content?  Can I offset that by uploading more than I download?  I have no problem with that, but again, too much that isn't said here.  Google doesn't turn up enough to give me an informed opinion either.  I'll wait.
 

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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2017, 02:27:19 pm »
I think what bothers me most is that they allude to using your network connection and computer to serve up content but don't state it explicitly.  If it is 'block chain' I'd expect to receive credit of some sort in exchange.  Again, this isn't spelled out.  It said you can charge for content?  Can I offset that by uploading more than I download?  I have no problem with that, but again, too much that isn't said here.  Google doesn't turn up enough to give me an informed opinion either.  I'll wait.

It took me literally less than 5 seconds to find the FAQ item that answers most of those questions:

How does content hosting work?

Right now, it's simple: you host what you download.

While the LBRY app is running, it communicates to the network what content you're making available.

Think of it like how torrents or any other peer-to-peer (P2P) service works. First you download a file from the hosts that have it available. When the download has finished, you become a host in the network other people can download from.

Please note: Hosting fees are currently disabled on the network as we work on a better way to implement the fee structure
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2017, 03:20:14 pm »

It took me literally less than 5 seconds to find the FAQ item that answers most of those questions:

How does content hosting work?

Right now, it's simple: you host what you download.

While the LBRY app is running, it communicates to the network what content you're making available.

Think of it like how torrents or any other peer-to-peer (P2P) service works. First you download a file from the hosts that have it available. When the download has finished, you become a host in the network other people can download from.

Please note: Hosting fees are currently disabled on the network as we work on a better way to implement the fee structure

Well, excuse me.  Stupid web page layout on their part.  Two urls on the same line that looked like the same link.  :--  So, this is basically bit torrent that you can charge for?   Bittorrent can be horribly slow because more people download than upload.  Many reasons for this.  Probably the biggest is illegal content.  People don't want to get caught uploading it but will risk downloading.  People with the illegal material will continue to download and block uploads.  Another is the internet provider generally sets up the firewall to prevent local server connections and most users will be clueless on how to change it.  In the US download speeds are generally much higher than upload speeds for the same reason.   They don't want you running a home server.  Youtube is just click and play and already supported by your favorite browser.  In the US as soon as the kill net neutrality rules Youtube will pay for prioritization and the providers will be free to slow your LBRY link to 1 bit per day.

This company is probably  going to have to seriously supplement bandwidth, especially in the beginning, and hope for a ground swell to make it take off.  I'm doubtful.

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Don't get me wrong.  I like some of the things that it COULD make possible.  See my above statements about 'pay as you go/per use/whatever' but they say they haven't even figured out a fee structure yet?  Again, if I upload more than I download will I get a credit on material with a fee? 
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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2017, 04:11:39 pm »
The biggest thing that bothers me.
Why do I need to download another program (again) to just see videos?
This could be very easily implemented in a web-based environment  :--
It's even 50MB?  :-//
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2017, 04:18:19 pm »
The biggest thing that bothers me.
Why do I need to download another program (again) to just see videos?
This could be very easily implemented in a web-based environment  :--
It's even 50MB?  :-//

I can't say anything about the website at all, but perhaps downloading/uploading the videos (especially uploading) would take too much space for HTML 5 storage? I'm not really sure about the actual necessity.
 

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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2017, 04:33:30 pm »
The biggest thing that bothers me.
Why do I need to download another program (again) to just see videos?
This could be very easily implemented in a web-based environment  :--
It's even 50MB?  :-//

You've missed the point entirely. It's a distributed system - there are no servers as there would be with a "web-based environment" which presupposes web 'servers' and 'clients'. You need another program because none of the ones you currently have understand how to implement the distribution protocol, even if you have zillions that understand how to play the video that is distributed.
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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2017, 02:53:02 am »
What would work great is if it could run over P2P Wifi. Set up a bunch of hotspots in densely populated areas where fast, unlimited Internet is expensive and/or hard to get and it would probably become quite popular.
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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2017, 02:28:49 am »
You've missed the point entirely. It's a distributed system - there are no servers as there would be with a "web-based environment" which presupposes web 'servers' and 'clients'. You need another program because none of the ones you currently have understand how to implement the distribution protocol, even if you have zillions that understand how to play the video that is distributed.
Doing it browser based shouldn't be impossible, though I'm not sure whether you'd actually want to.
 

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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2019, 04:36:03 pm »
What would work great is if it could run over P2P Wifi. Set up a bunch of hotspots in densely populated areas where fast, unlimited Internet is expensive and/or hard to get and it would probably become quite popular.

Worse, I think.  After I closed the app I looked at task manager and it was still running and doing (stuff?)  I found that if I close the app while running a video the video continues.  So I worry what this thing is doing when I'm  not watching it.

Another point ... the warning that my post might not be relevant because it was more than 120 days since the last one was interesting.  I see that this thread goes back to 2017!  Given that the EEVBlog is one of the very few bits of content on this service and that most of the other stuff is, to say the least, of much lower quality ... what is the point?  I'm right up there with most people who have a problem with Google and it's demonstrably evil orientation, but if there is nothing to watch here, what's the point?
 

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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2019, 02:39:09 am »
Another point ... the warning that my post might not be relevant because it was more than 120 days since the last one was interesting.  I see that this thread goes back to 2017!  Given that the EEVBlog is one of the very few bits of content on this service and that most of the other stuff is, to say the least, of much lower quality ... what is the point?  I'm right up there with most people who have a problem with Google and it's demonstrably evil orientation, but if there is nothing to watch here, what's the point?

It's the old critical mass problem.
LBRY isn't sexy enough to get any of the big Youtubers over. Bitchute has been far more successful at that.
 

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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2020, 06:47:33 pm »
Doing it browser based shouldn't be impossible, though I'm not sure whether you'd actually want to.

It is now browser based, too. You can do (most) things with the website http://lbry.tv , with some exceptions, like watching videos which need to be paid. But might be still a good idea to install the app, to support the Bittorent network, which I don't think will the website do on the client side.

BTW, if I understand it correctly, anyone can claim a name, if he pays enough LBC. So for @eevblog, which currently has a support of 23,496 LBC, about $723, someone could "steal" the channel, if he pays more, right? I don't know if I like this concept.
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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2020, 09:51:24 pm »
https://lbry.io/   is missing one very important feature,  to stream (or rather cast) media from your existing computer or mobile device through your home WiFi network and onto your TV screen. This is very key to the modern mobile world. I hope At some time they will be able to implement this
 

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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2020, 07:07:23 pm »
lbry.tv has problems with older/lesser-known browsers. In IE11 it comes up totally blank, and in Pale Moon 27.x I can see the site, but when I click on a video I can only hear the audio until I click away from the video to something else, then suddenly the video appears in a floating window.

And until they buy the library.tv domain and redirect it to their site, every time someone mentions this site, they must spell out "L-B-R-Y" in order for people to get to the right place.
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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2020, 12:59:00 pm »
I played with LBRY several times since the blockchain was created and each time I ended up deleting the wallet, because it was sketchy as frig, and it became more and more sketchy.
The main claim of LBRY Inc that the use of the blockchain makes LBRY independent of LBRY Inc is completely destroyed if you look at the mining statistics.

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Having pessimistic assumptions that:
1) "Unknown"="The Evil"
2) "The Evil"="LBRY Inc"
3) The sentence "Support the LBRY community with this pool!" for the luxor.tech pool at https://lbry.com/faq/mining-pools means "Luxor.tech belongs to us"
, we can conclude that ~ 90 percent of mining is controlled by LBRY Inc and they can manipulate the blockchain as they want. No one cared for power over the blockchain and therefore they seized power.
This was helped by 2 facts - LBC can be effectively mined by ASIC and this is a specialized algorithm, that is, you need to buy (or develop) an ASIC that can mine LBC and only LBC to compete with LBRY Inc.
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2020, 10:36:25 am »
Dave, congrats! 4180+ subscribers on LBRY as of now. A huge increase in just a month or so!

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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2020, 01:38:52 pm »
Dave, congrats! 4180+ subscribers on LBRY as of now. A huge increase in just a month or so!

 :-+

I wonder if this is being driven by the fact that hardly a week goes by recently without some story of YouBoob's shenanigans hitting the web. Perhaps people (read media consumers) are beginning to think that it's time to reduce their dependency on YouBoob?
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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2020, 12:17:30 am »
Dave, congrats! 4180+ subscribers on LBRY as of now. A huge increase in just a month or so!

Thanks, 9th biggest channel now.
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Re: All EEVblog Videos now available on LBRY
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2020, 06:48:15 pm »
Keep in mind that as of yet, LBRY does not transcode videos -- what you upload is exactly what your viewers will be watching. That allows higher quality than YouTube, but has several major drawbacks. First, you have to upload in a streaming-compatible format, like H.264 -- so near-lossless professional codecs like ProRes cannot be used. And more importantly, you have to be mindful of what kind of resolutions and bitrates your viewer's devices and Internet connections will be able to handle. So if you upload 4K 60fps video at a mega-high bitrate, it may look beautiful on your end, but a lot of your viewers won't be able to watch it -- and not everyone has unlimited data allowance on their service plan.

Also, the lbry.tv site is currently buggy in legacy Firefox and Firefox-based browsers like Pale Moon, and doesn't work at all in IE.

I've created a LBRY channel and uploaded a few test videos to it ( https://lbry.tv/@VWestlife:b ), but I won't be using it on a regular basis until they work on resolving these issues.

I'm also keeping an eye on FloatPlane (created by LinusTechTips) and StoryFire (created by McJuggerNuggets) to see how those platforms develop. For example, Boogie2988 already has 100,000+ subscribers on StoryFire -- that's impressive.
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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2020, 11:40:37 pm »
Keep in mind that as of yet, LBRY does not transcode videos -- what you upload is exactly what your viewers will be watching. That allows higher quality than YouTube, but has several major drawbacks. First, you have to upload in a streaming-compatible format, like H.264 -- so near-lossless professional codecs like ProRes cannot be used. And more importantly, you have to be mindful of what kind of resolutions and bitrates your viewer's devices and Internet connections will be able to handle. So if you upload 4K 60fps video at a mega-high bitrate, it may look beautiful on your end, but a lot of your viewers won't be able to watch it -- and not everyone has unlimited data allowance on their service plan.

Such quality is rarely a requirement content creators. If you are that fusses over quality you aren't going to be using Youtube to begin with.

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I'm also keeping an eye on FloatPlane (created by LinusTechTips) and StoryFire (created by McJuggerNuggets) to see how those platforms develop. For example, Boogie2988 already has 100,000+ subscribers on StoryFire -- that's impressive.

Neither of those seem to be a Youtube competitor. FloatPlane is definitely not, in their own words.
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