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Want to see Dave have a look at Bybee Technology's audio Quantum Purifiers?

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Offline ztatic

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Bybee's Lament
« on: September 21, 2017, 09:05:41 PM »
"These unique devices are at the heart of every Bybee Slipstream and Golden Goddess plug-in “Instant Upgrade” product.

"Bybee Quantum Purifiers operate on the quantum mechanical level to regulate the flow of electrons that make up the signal (picture a metering light regulating freeway traffic flow). Current flow within the Quantum Purifier is unimpeded and ideal (think of the unencumbered flow of traffic on a lightly traveled expressway). During transit through the Quantum Purifier, quantum noise energy is stripped off the electrons, streamlining their flow through ensuing conductors. Unwanted quantum noise energy dissipates as heat within the Quantum Purifier rather than emerging as a layer of contamination residue over the audio/video information."

http://bybeetech.com/

Hmm. Looks to me like a snippet of wire running through a quantum of epoxy. Only $200 each.

 
 

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2017, 09:22:11 PM »
No.

It's a rat hole filled with bullshit and no matter how hard you try they'll weasel word you to death with 'non ideal testing conditions', 'obvious sceptic with an agenda', any number of BS reasons why you're wrong and all the audiophools who want to believe will just take it as 'proof' that they know better.
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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2017, 09:25:24 PM »
It's a rat hole filled with bullshit
The question here is, what kind of bullshit? Is it a premium Kobe bull or any other garden variety?  :blah:
 

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2017, 09:50:32 PM »
If I remember correctly, there's already a tear-down on diyAudio. I think it was just a low value standard resistor, possibly surrounded by some fluff (fibreglass or cotton or something).
 

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2017, 10:08:29 PM »
If I remember correctly, there's already a tear-down on diyAudio. I think it was just a low value standard resistor, possibly surrounded by some fluff (fibreglass or cotton or something).

When I saw the image, I immediately thought of a 2W resistor covered in black epoxy or thin heat shrink. Possibly a low value wire wound one, because I think I saw the wire on it.

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2017, 10:40:47 PM »
Does it work?  >:D

Are free samples available?

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2017, 10:41:05 PM »
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/everything-else/172673-bybee-quantum-purifier-measurement-analysis-89.html#post2379936

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Marce, the large Bybee devices, even today, use a metal based power resistor. They did, back then, also. Only the smaller Bybee devices purport to have quantum resistors. Besides, that is NOT what a Bybee device is: It is the rare earth layer deposited on the ceramic tube. This is obvious, IF you look at one of the larger devices. That is when you need a mass spectrometer or its equivalent, to figure out generally what it is made of. The resistors ONLY help the rare earth layer 'do its thing'. Even common resistors will do the job, but less effectively. Older Bybee devices used standard power resistors. I helped Jack shop for them, 15 years ago. That is what is in the Bybee devices I have used for the last 12 years or so.
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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2017, 10:45:33 PM »
It would just be ten minutes of Dave saying "idiot" and wouldn't change anything.

Inside audiophile brains those things genuinely do work (just like crystal people can feel the energy and electrosensitives do get ill).

« Last Edit: September 21, 2017, 10:48:41 PM by Fungus »
 

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2017, 11:02:27 PM »
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"Bybee Quantum Purifiers operate on the quantum mechanical level to regulate the flow of electrons that make up the signal (picture a metering light regulating freeway traffic flow). Current flow within the Quantum Purifier is unimpeded and ideal (think of the unencumbered flow of traffic on a lightly traveled expressway).

That component got resistance -> no unimpeded current flow

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During transit through the Quantum Purifier, quantum noise energy is stripped off the electrons, streamlining their flow through ensuing conductors. Unwanted quantum noise energy dissipates as heat within the Quantum Purifier rather than emerging as a layer of contamination residue over the audio/video information."

That's great! The heat increases the Johnson–Nyquist noise. Oops ;)

Oh my! They can't even get their audiophoolery BS right.
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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2017, 11:19:56 PM »
This sort of rubbish isn't worth the time.

Doesn't matter how much technical review, testing or measurement is done to demonstrate how useless this thing is, there will still be "believers".

I can't condone charlatans for this sort of practice, but they're like cockroaches - and exterminating them is nigh unto impossible as long as there's someone who will let themselves get sucked in.

 

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2017, 11:21:56 PM »
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During transit through the Quantum Purifier, quantum noise energy is stripped off the electrons, streamlining their flow through ensuing conductors. Unwanted quantum noise energy dissipates as heat within the Quantum Purifier rather than emerging as a layer of contamination residue over the audio/video information."

Now, that is some A1, premium grade, top quality bullshit!
 

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2017, 11:26:07 PM »
Not with a 10ft barge pole
 

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2017, 11:27:28 PM »
I bet it's just a carbon power resistor.
 

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2017, 11:34:44 PM »
Does it work?  >:D

Trust me, when you pay good money for audiofool stuff like this, it works, and you will hear the difference!
 

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2017, 12:15:03 AM »
Does it work?  >:D

Trust me, when you pay good money for audiofool stuff like this, it works, and you will hear the difference!

oh, but does it work if you were to get one for free?
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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2017, 12:40:54 PM »
Certainly ...... if you believe it does.
 

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2017, 12:51:19 PM »
Usually this sort of rubbish is at least packaged to give the audiophool buyer the feeling it's "special properties" are contained within. I'm very disappointed with the blandness of the package.  :(
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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2017, 10:52:12 PM »
 :wtf:

Plug-in speaker bullets must be the holy grail of audiophoolery. And they have a price to match.

 (The only slight problem is that they need 100-200h of "burn in" time before their full effect shows  :scared:)
 

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2017, 11:19:08 PM »
I noticed just now that Bybee guards against debunking by declaring, in a sort of twisted/reverse proof, that the noise that his sheep-dipped resistors remove is undetectable to begin with:

"Originally developed (and still used) for military applications, this quantum purification technology has proven that eliminating sub-audible noise—i.e., noise unmeasurable by typical test-bench instruments–at the quantum mechanical level produces previously unattainable resolution and beauty in home audio and video. "

I wasn't aware the recipe for sheep dip was in the public domain. http://www.geniuskitchen.com/recipe/sheep-dip-sheep-dip-289431

Anyway, I just thought it would be nice if there were an easily accessible, video take-down that audiophiles could find before letting their wallets be drained for intangible benefits.

Hopefully, Dave will oblige, and he has access to a GC, so the the claim that this particular dip is not just epoxy can be peeled away once and for all.
 

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2017, 11:40:21 PM »
Not with a 10ft barge pole
I vaguely recall you saying something about audiophoolery in the video you did together with Shariar.  >:D
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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2017, 11:53:38 PM »
AND...if anyone actually performed a controlled experiment (A/B/X) followed by detailed measurements and a comprehensive teardown debunking the bullshit, the believers would still label it: "Fake News".
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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2017, 12:03:06 AM »
I noticed just now that Bybee guards against debunking by declaring, in a sort of twisted/reverse proof, that the noise that his sheep-dipped resistors remove is undetectable to begin with:

"Originally developed (and still used) for military applications, this quantum purification technology has proven that eliminating sub-audible noise—i.e., noise unmeasurable by typical test-bench instruments–at the quantum mechanical level produces previously unattainable resolution and beauty in home audio and video. "

If you can't measure the noise with audio T&M you won't hear the difference unless the cognitive dissonance kicks in >:D
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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2017, 12:43:10 AM »
Anyway, I just thought it would be nice if there were an easily accessible, video take-down that audiophiles could find before letting their wallets be drained for intangible benefits.

Only a listening test is valid and Dave doesn't have Golden Ears or a real audiophile HiFi setup to test them with, so...  :-//

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2017, 10:59:40 AM »
AND...if anyone actually performed a controlled experiment (A/B/X) followed by detailed measurements and a comprehensive teardown debunking the bullshit, the believers would still label it: "Fake News".

Well, that's true, but if he were to prove that the sheep dip is nothing more than some common material, like epoxy, and under it is nothing more than a common resistor, then there's no electrical measurement or listening test needed. Bybee opened himself up to this when he claimed that the only way to identify the magical coating is by using a GC. The juicy conclusion would be something like, "So here's an ordinary resistor dipped in epoxy (or whatever it is). The seller charges and apparently gets $200 for it, and audiophools buy bunches of these things to stick just about anywhere in their audio and video equipment. Unless the movement of cash leaving the buyer's wallet has a magical and sustained effect on audio and video reproduction, then this item does absolutely nothing but add a tiny amount of noise."
 

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Re: Bybee's Lament
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2017, 11:01:06 AM »
Not with a 10ft barge pole

Aw. please?
 


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