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Offline user99

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1325 on: July 14, 2013, 10:57:20 pm »
I don't have access to the RF service monitor I used for the sine wave.  Today I hooked up my FPGA and looked at the output of a 2.5V digital signal and it looks like the rise time is averaging 3.3ns and Vamp was 1.99V. 

I'm now wondering if the service monitor I used was working correctly, I don't have another scope to compare.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1326 on: July 15, 2013, 12:43:54 am »
I don't have access to the RF service monitor I used for the sine wave.  Today I hooked up my FPGA and looked at the output of a 2.5V digital signal and it looks like the rise time is averaging 3.3ns and Vamp was 1.99V. 

I'm now wondering if the service monitor I used was working correctly, I don't have another scope to compare.

If you click on Measure and display the frequency can you see the correct frequency?
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1327 on: July 15, 2013, 02:16:30 am »
The frequency shows correctly but I'd expect that even with 50MHz bandwidth.   When testing BW the service monitor I started with a 1V p-p signal at 10MHz and increased the frequency until the voltage was at 0.7V p-p which happened at 65MHz.   It could very well be a signal generator issue and not a problem with the scope.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1328 on: July 15, 2013, 08:14:19 am »
The frequency shows correctly but I'd expect that even with 50MHz bandwidth.   When testing BW the service monitor I started with a 1V p-p signal at 10MHz and increased the frequency until the voltage was at 0.7V p-p which happened at 65MHz.   It could very well be a signal generator issue and not a problem with the scope.

i did your same upgrade with gizmo firmware to my scope but i can't test it over 50 Mhz at the moment.
Maybe some one else can do some tests
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1329 on: July 17, 2013, 10:35:59 am »
Hi all.

Is there a summary somewhere on what to do for which model ?

My Software version is 00.04.01.00.02 and looking through the 89 pages has left me a bit bewildered.

Thanks Wallace

 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1330 on: July 18, 2013, 04:56:48 am »
You seem to have the latest version of firmware.
It seems it is time for Gizmo to cook an update if he would be so kind!
Best regards to all,
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1331 on: July 23, 2013, 12:44:41 pm »

Yep. My new DS1052E just arrived from China:

serial: DS1ET1519nnnnn
firmware: 00.04.01 ( 00.04.01.00.02)
dsp: 00.01
fpga: 03.07
hardware version: 58

It would certainly be very much appreciated if Gizmo could cook up a modified 00.04.01.00.02 firmware!

I had a hunt around for the stock firmware on the interwebs but couldn't see it anywhere.

 

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« Reply #1332 on: July 23, 2013, 04:20:03 pm »

Yep. My new DS1052E just arrived from China:

serial: DS1ET1519nnnnn
firmware: 00.04.01 ( 00.04.01.00.02)
dsp: 00.01
fpga: 03.07
hardware version: 58

It would certainly be very much appreciated if Gizmo could cook up a modified 00.04.01.00.02 firmware!

I had a hunt around for the stock firmware on the interwebs but couldn't see it anywhere.

Hi,
Gizmo firmware is 4.00 version and not 4.01.
I had your same Hardversion and firmware version before downgrade to Gizmo 4.00. The hacked firmware works good and now i don't have any problem.
Just a problem after upgrade was the display flickering if enabled cursor but it was fixed by loading factory mode
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1333 on: July 24, 2013, 06:04:00 am »

OK. Thanks!

That's good to know. I though maybe the scope would see that it was a downgrade version-wise and refuse to accept it. I'll give it a shot!

 

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« Reply #1334 on: July 24, 2013, 02:49:58 pm »

Well, I tried and it doesn't work. Scope sees the USB stick, I can see the file in file manager, but when it's plugged in the scope ignores the file.

Must be because the upgrade file is seen as a downgrade by the scope?

 

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« Reply #1335 on: July 24, 2013, 02:56:23 pm »

Well, I tried and it doesn't work. Scope sees the USB stick, I can see the file in file manager, but when it's plugged in the scope ignores the file.

Must be because the upgrade file is seen as a downgrade by the scope?

Have you check the md5 hash after transferring to pen drive?
Have you format your sd card in fat32?
Remember that you need to put the .rgl file in the main root of your sd card
 

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« Reply #1336 on: July 24, 2013, 04:13:32 pm »

Have you check the md5 hash after transferring to pen drive?

Yep.

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Have you format your sd card in fat32?

Yep.

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Remember that you need to put the .rgl file in the main root of your sd card


Yep. That's where it is.

Hmmm. The file shows .RGL in CAPS. Changed the extension to lower case, no change.

File shows up in Rigol file manager as:

F:\DS1000EUpdate.rgl

scope still ignores it. A shame there isn't a log file accessible that shows the scope accessing the file and deciding it's the wrong version to allow an upgrade.

Rigol should bring out a Linux version of the DS1052E, I say! :)

 

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« Reply #1337 on: July 24, 2013, 04:30:27 pm »
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Yep. That's where it is.

Hmmm. The file shows .RGL in CAPS. Changed the extension to lower case, no change.

File shows up in Rigol file manager as:

F:\DS1000EUpdate.rgl

scope still ignores it. A shame there isn't a log file accessible that shows the scope accessing the file and deciding it's the wrong version to allow an upgrade.

Rigol should bring out a Linux version of the DS1052E, I say! :)

yes, RGL is in uppercase.
Try with another pen drive, better if you not exceed 4GB.
If it doesn't work i don't know if there are other methods to make it, because our serial is DS1ET and not DS1ED
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1338 on: July 25, 2013, 03:04:46 pm »

Right I tried with an older USB stick that was FAT16. Rigol sees the drive, tells me it know it's FAT16, but doesn't upgrade.

Bummer.

Thanks for the suggestions. Stuck in 25MHz waiting for Gizmo to come to the rescue with a 00.04.01 update.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1339 on: July 25, 2013, 06:43:44 pm »

Right I tried with an older USB stick that was FAT16. Rigol sees the drive, tells me it know it's FAT16, but doesn't upgrade.

Bummer.

Thanks for the suggestions. Stuck in 25MHz waiting for Gizmo to come to the rescue with a 00.04.01 update.

25Mhz? DS1052E is 50Mhz Oscilloscope!
A good way is to Contact the support and ask for the latest firmware if also with latest original firmware you can't upgrade the problem is your device
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1340 on: July 25, 2013, 07:13:43 pm »
Just got my DS1052E (same serial and versions as Drewbie) and was hoping to upgrade but nothing happens when I insert the USB drive. Also tried the 2.02 file without any luck.  :(
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1341 on: July 25, 2013, 07:57:44 pm »
Just got my DS1052E (same serial and versions as Drewbie) and was hoping to upgrade but nothing happens when I insert the USB drive. Also tried the 2.02 file without any luck.  :(

is your firmware 00.04.01.00.02 ?
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1342 on: July 25, 2013, 08:44:40 pm »
Yes, it's exactly the same as Drewbie's:
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serial: DS1ET1519nnnnn
firmware: 00.04.01.00.02
dsp: 00.01
fpga: 03.07
hardware version: 58
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1343 on: July 25, 2013, 09:29:04 pm »
Yes, it's exactly the same as Drewbie's:
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serial: DS1ET1519nnnnn
firmware: 00.04.01.00.02
dsp: 00.01
fpga: 03.07
hardware version: 58

Maybe my firmware version was 00.04.01.00.01, it was for sure 00.04.01 and no problem for downgrade.
The one solution is the rigol support
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1344 on: July 26, 2013, 12:58:10 am »

25Mhz? DS1052E is 50Mhz Oscilloscope!

Yeah. Doh. Brainfade.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1345 on: August 05, 2013, 03:27:43 am »
Can still be to use old downgrade method on 00.04.01.00.02 firmware ?
thx
Yes, it's exactly the same as Drewbie's:
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serial: DS1ET1519nnnnn
firmware: 00.04.01.00.02
dsp: 00.01
fpga: 03.07
hardware version: 58

Maybe my firmware version was 00.04.01.00.01, it was for sure 00.04.01 and no problem for downgrade.
The one solution is the rigol support
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1346 on: August 05, 2013, 10:09:15 am »
Can still be to use old downgrade method on 00.04.01.00.02 firmware ?
thx
Yes, it's exactly the same as Drewbie's:
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serial: DS1ET1519nnnnn
firmware: 00.04.01.00.02
dsp: 00.01
fpga: 03.07
hardware version: 58

Maybe my firmware version was 00.04.01.00.01, it was for sure 00.04.01 and no problem for downgrade.
The one solution is the rigol support

Yes, ever if you can see the new firmware when you plug the usb stick.
Remember that it's tested on HardVersion 58 and i don't know for other versions.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1347 on: August 08, 2013, 10:10:33 pm »
I have a 2yo 1052e that's well out of warranty now with firmware 00.02.05 SP2.

I'd like to summarise the last 12 pages so new upgraders like me can quickly determine the risks.  From what I can ascertain, doing the simple USB stick upgrade will:

  • Set the max sample rate (or more aptly the usable bandwidth) to 100MHz.
  • May not actually have a flat response to 100MHz due to input stage filters.
  • The screen may flicker but can be fixed with factory settings reload.
  • I must never do a user mode auto recalibration (or at least do it 30mins after powerup but before reflash).
  • Have a slight trigger offset that isn't really fixable.
  • The model number doesn't change (unlike the original hack)

Are there any additions or corrections?
« Last Edit: August 08, 2013, 10:15:06 pm by Rocklobster »
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1348 on: August 09, 2013, 01:01:22 pm »
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  • Set the max sample rate (or more aptly the usable bandwidth) to 100MHz.
Yes.

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  • May not actually have a flat response to 100MHz due to input stage filters.
I have < 3ns rise and fall.

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  • The screen may flicker but can be fixed with factory settings reload.
Yes.

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  • I must never do a user mode auto recalibration (or at least do it 30mins after powerup but before reflash).
You can do the calibration also after flashed the new firmware, (better 30mins after power up).

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  • The model number doesn't change (unlike the original hack).
Yes.

Maybe the original hack is better in your case.
Look here: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/changing-the-rigol-ds1052e-to-ds1102e-using-usb-the-dummy-guide/
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1349 on: August 12, 2013, 08:03:55 am »
Ahh, there's a new firmware out. I'll have to see if I can find the time to mod that one also... shouldn't take long really! Otherwise it's still possible to do the version change trick in the header to make the scope think the 4.00 firmware is actually 4.02 or something such that it will downgrade to the hacked version.

I've had a quick search and couldn't find the latest firmware upgrade for the DS1052E -- if anyone has it, could they send me a copy and I'll take a look.

ta!
Gizmo
« Last Edit: August 12, 2013, 08:14:50 am by Gizmo »
 


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