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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1600 on: September 25, 2014, 11:22:08 PM »
Slightly off topic, the newer Rigol 1054Z offers a better bang for buck in the entry level scope.  Hacking issues are just starting.

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-1052-vs-1102-or-1054/msg517590/#msg517590

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1601 on: September 26, 2014, 12:47:15 AM »
how is 50mhz better than 100?

ie how do you know 1054z will be hacked to 100mhz?

i mean, it is better if you need 4 channels of 50mhz and that fancy display with ultra vision etc.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1602 on: September 26, 2014, 01:36:20 AM »
The DS1054Z can be upgraded to the DS1104Z. It has four channels. It supports intensity grading, which works quite well. It has huge memory. It is only $70 more, crazy good value.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1603 on: September 26, 2014, 01:50:51 AM »
Hey, does anybody know if it is possible to mod a DS1052E to a DS1102D?
Obviously the logic analyzer pin header is also mounted on the DS1052E as you can see in daves teardown at 5:56 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO5iGwHpmHc&feature=youtu.be&t=5m56s)
It seems all which has to be done is building an own pod and mount it with probes.

The pinout already got reverse engineered:
http://bit.ly/1uJxpfM

And here is the pod inside:
http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/8/7/0/5/4/a2377013-42-RigolLA-Top.jpg
http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/1/9/3/3/5/9/a2413046-14-rigolpod2.jpg


Did anyone try this already?
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1604 on: September 26, 2014, 02:32:21 AM »
I patched the new version (Gizmo method) and flashed it.  ;D
It seems to work fine. 2ns timebase :-+

if i understood you correctly, you've put the latest firmware first (4.01.07) and then overrun it with gizmo's firmware?

which would suggest that (thus far) firmware hack is possible for 1052e no matter the firmware it is shipped with?

No. I patched the original 00.04.01.07.00 to 100MHz and then i flashed it to my scope which has a 00.04.01.00.02 on it. I think, i doesn't matter which version is on the scope before.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1605 on: September 28, 2014, 11:02:31 AM »
If I have already patched the oscilloscope 1052e to 1102e is possible to update the firmware or the original file after updating the original, he again become a 1052e?
After all, in theory if the menu states that the model is 1102 and after flashing the original 00.04.01.07.00 it should remain in 1102 or not?
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1606 on: September 29, 2014, 03:21:09 AM »
@lektronick
The firmware is the same for both 1052e/1102e models. If you changed the model number and serial id of your scope, new original FW will recognize it as 1102e.
Instead, the Gizmo's FW uses the scope as 1102e regardless of the actual model/serial id.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2014, 05:24:56 AM by ifndef »
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1607 on: September 29, 2014, 03:26:47 AM »
Is the firmware of the DS1052E the same as is the DS1102D (The version with the logic analyzer) ?
Can I just change the value from DS1052E to DS1052D and the scope thinks, it's a logic analyzer?
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1608 on: September 29, 2014, 05:48:35 AM »
@coon
Better not to do it ...


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dont think the LA option will do anything more than enable some menu's without the hardware present

of course the DS1000E to DS1000D firmwares are different... so maybe the D firmware and the LA bit

 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1609 on: September 29, 2014, 07:01:54 AM »
Why not giving it a try and flashing the DS1102D firmware on the DS1052E? I am pretty sure that meight work.
But there is no way to unbrick the scope, is there?
Does anyone know where the Flashrom is located? Is it a SOIC-8 which can be flashed using a Bus Pirate?
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1610 on: September 29, 2014, 09:12:09 AM »
I am pretty sure that meight work.

So if u are shure, why u don't test it ? Build this board, and I buy one.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1611 on: September 29, 2014, 05:53:15 PM »
Yep, I will upload the circuit / gerber file when it's done. But first I need to know, if the MSO firmware does work. If not, designing a pod would be a waste of time.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1612 on: September 29, 2014, 07:46:20 PM »
I've no idea what u really want. 1rst u wrote u r "pretty sure that the firmware works" and now u ask "U need 2 know if the firmware work" ???  :palm:.
Why don't you check this out ? Flash the "D" firmware and u will see if it work or not.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1613 on: September 30, 2014, 08:02:55 PM »
I am looking for a logic analyzer for my hackerspace but they are expensive in general. At the moment I am using a STM32F4Discovery board [1] with china probes [2] and a logic analyzer hack [3]. This is okay for simple stuff but the record length is way too less for some projects. We also need a storage oscilloscope, since we only have some old analog ones.

Now I've seen the DS1052E hack and while watching daves teardown [4] I've seen some pinheader at 5:56 [5]. Turnes out, there is a high chance they are used as inputs for the logic analyzer pod on the DS1052D [6]. In my theorey the hardware of the DS1052E and DS1052D is equal, except different front panels and a missing logic analyzer pod on the DS1052E. I also guess, that the firmwares are equal. The DS1052D firmware meight only contain the additional logic analyzer stuff. I don't own the scope yet and just want to know, if flashing the DS1052D firmware on a DS1052E is possible and if not, if there is a way to unbrick the scope. If the firmware and my selfmade pod should work, this would be the perfect MSO for our requirements.


[1] http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM116/SC959/SS1532/PF252419?sc=internet/evalboard/product/252419.jsp
[2] http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-Test-hook-clip-Grabber-SMD-IC-Test-Probe-Hook-for-Multimeter-Logic-analyzer-test-clips/2011040264.html
[3] https://code.google.com/p/logicdiscovery/
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[5] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO5iGwHpmHc&feature=youtu.be&t=5m56s
[6] http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=663958&page=2
« Last Edit: September 30, 2014, 08:06:28 PM by coon »
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1614 on: October 25, 2014, 11:16:18 AM »
Hey guys,

I'm having trouble downloading the .zip file. I found it through another website but it's not updated with the 02.02.SP2_patched_to_02.05.01.02 folder. Can someone attach that folder here so I can perform this hack? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1616 on: October 25, 2014, 11:30:24 AM »
Has anyone looked into a software hack like this for the 1054Z featured in a couple of Dave's latest youtube videos? I think it was determined that it would be possible, but I'm wondering if anyone has actually done it yet.
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1617 on: October 25, 2014, 11:39:05 AM »
Has anyone looked into a software hack like this for the 1054Z featured in a couple of Dave's latest youtube videos? I think it was determined that it would be possible, but I'm wondering if anyone has actually done it yet.

Maybe it's in the DS1054Z thread?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-rigol-ds1054z-oscilloscope/

Or even the DS1074Z thread?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-ds1074z-oscillosope/

just saying :)
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1618 on: October 25, 2014, 11:42:35 AM »
Has anyone looked into a software hack like this for the 1054Z featured in a couple of Dave's latest youtube videos? I think it was determined that it would be possible, but I'm wondering if anyone has actually done it yet.

Maybe it's in the DS1054Z thread?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-rigol-ds1054z-oscilloscope/

Or even the DS1074Z thread?

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-ds1074z-oscillosope/

just saying :)

Ah, thanks for the links. I've been away for a while, and this was the first thread I stumbled across upon my return  ;)
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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1619 on: October 26, 2014, 02:22:34 AM »
For info, flashing an E version with D firmware kills the scope. It was done way back in this thread with a poor result. Do not attempt it unless you know how to rebuild the firmware again  ;)
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1620 on: November 03, 2014, 10:22:00 AM »
Good Night everyone
First of all thank for here worked perfectly  :clap:

What is the difference between versions 00.04.01.07.00 or 00.04.01.00.02

is there any place where it is written the differences?

Excuse my ignorance

Sorry my bad english I'm using a translator.

Brazilian greetings
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1621 on: November 03, 2014, 10:44:35 AM »
lol, good question. Since version 2.04xxx I can't find any difference.  So forget those updates, if you want to change your old DS1052E  to a DS11xx. Keep your actual firmware it works fine. and u have warranty.
The DS1052 / DS11xx is out of time now.
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1622 on: November 04, 2014, 11:19:57 AM »
https://anonfiles.com/file/c08dc320bc32e56ce4c26474b8f846fc
latest firmware 4.01.07 1052e
100Mhz patched
working

Has anyone else checked this and verified the result? Also, is it from seven77, or MudMan, or whom?
I take it's the same 1-bit hack that Gizmo did on the previous firmware?
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1623 on: November 04, 2014, 05:54:45 PM »
Hi Gizmo, hi GreySam

Sorry for the "Me Too" Post. I'm owner of a DS1052D with Firmware 00.04.01.00.02 too. I also want to upgrade my 50MHz Model to 100 MHz and i'm wondering if anybody have a "patched" firmware for the ds1052d...? Maybe its already answered in this thread, by i got lost after hours of reading...

GreySam, have you any further investigations to "our case"?

Thanks in advance.
    queaker



If you search the 1052D update flash for :

E5 01 00 A8 61 08 08 05 10 09 60 89 E6 7D 00 50

and replace with

E5 01 00 A8 61 08 08 05 10 01 60 89 E6 7D 00 50

(Change the 09 for a 01 at offset 9)

Then flash with that firmware, you should be working at 100Mhz. One other person, zdoe, did this last july. If you ask him nicely he may still have his custom flash file (although I dont remember the version)... :)

Hi Gizmo,

thank you very much for your help, your patch works on 1052D with latest FW 00.04.01 SP7.

You are the greatest  ;)

GreySam
 

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Re: changing the rigol DS1052E to DS1102E using USB , the dummy guide
« Reply #1624 on: November 07, 2014, 03:38:18 AM »
Hay guys its been awhile lol. Reading through some comments on the if its possible to use FW for the ds1102D on the ds1052E. WELL THE ANSWER IS YES as its worked for me anyway with the mod. Hope this helps.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2014, 03:41:09 AM by straycat »
 


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