eevBLAB #8 - Meet Dave

[eV1Te]

In the latest videos on Dave Jones second channel, he showed a screen capture of his primary YouTube account in order to illustrate the new terms and services which Google has enforced.

But during that screen capture you could see a new video that was uploaded on March 27, which has not been released yet (set to private). It is named eevBLAB #8 - Meet Dave with a thumbnail showing both Dave Jones and presumably the intern also named Dave? However since March 27 the April fools video was uploaded with the eevBLAB #8 so this video will probably be #9 when he decides to release it. 

Link to second channel video which shows the account:
https://youtu.be/0fEEdACthuE?t=2m6s

Attachment with a screenshot of the videos in Dave Jones account:

[dentaku]

I noticed that too and that's how I found this forum post.

[nixfu]

Some of us(subscribers) have already seen that video a few weeks ago.. 

Do YOU want to see it?

If so, then sign up and support Dave via https://www.patreon.com/ or the website http://www.eevblog.com/donations/

[Artlav]

Do YOU want to see it?

If so, then sign up and support Dave

That's... dark.
Not quite evil, but close to the line.

[pickle9000]

Or post over a thousand times on the forum.

[kizzap]

Or post over a thousand times on the forum.

How do I say this without it seeming as a waste of time...

+1 count.

[pickle9000]

Or post over a thousand times on the forum.

How do I say this without it seeming as a waste of time...

+1 count.

565 to go should be there in 5 or 6 hours, no problem. Look at Dave's post count that's crazy.

[Ed.Kloonk]

 #9.

Meet dave.

Thump....Thump....Thump...........Thump....Thump.....Thump.............Thump...........Thump.Thump.Thump.Thump.Thump.........Thump.


Stop banging the table. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it.

[lukaq]

#9.

Meet dave.

Thump....Thump....Thump...........Thump....Thump.....Thump.............Thump...........Thump.Thump.Thump.Thump.Thump.........Thump.


Stop banging the table. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it.

LOOL relax, first time in front of the camera, many would be like that

[Ed.Kloonk]

#9.

Meet dave.

Thump....Thump....Thump...........Thump....Thump.....Thump.............Thump...........Thump.Thump.Thump.Thump.Thump.........Thump.


Stop banging the table. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it.

LOOL relax, first time in front of the camera, many would be like that

Wasn't talking about that Dave. The other Dave. Dave 1.

[Karel]

Disappointing to see that Dave & Dave are two windows fanboys.
Linux is the most used OS in the world and has much more capabilities than ms windows.

I respect a lot your knowledge and experience with electronics Dave, but, appearantly,
you don't know much about software and programming. Or at least, your view about this is very narrowed.

[mathsquid]

Disappointing to see that Dave & Dave are two windows fanboys.
Linux is the most used OS in the world and has much more capabilities than ms windows.

Fanboy?  Really?  They didn't come off as a windows fanboys.  The business of professional electronics has traditionally run on windows, and it makes sense that that's what they'd run.

[EEVblog]

Disappointing to see that Dave & Dave are two windows fanboys.

Hardly.

Linux is the most used OS in the world and has much more capabilities than ms windows.

Yes, I run a linux server for the blog and this forum, not to mention other stuff.

I respect a lot your knowledge and experience with electronics Dave, but, appearantly,
you don't know much about software and programming. Or at least, your view about this is very narrowed.

No, it's not, I just do not enjoy dicking around with Linux when easier tools can get the job done.
If you don't agree that linux often requires a lot of dicking around, then you must live in another world.
The amount of crap David2 has to endure to get Linux and a webcam working on the Rpi2 for the lab webcam was a classic case in point, it really was very painful. And he knows what he's doing!

[janoc]

No, it's not, I just do not enjoy dicking around with Linux when easier tools can get the job done.
If you don't agree that linux often requires a lot of dicking around, then you must live in another world.
The amount of crap David2 has to endure to get Linux and a webcam working on the Rpi2 for the lab webcam was a classic case in point, it really was very painful. And he knows what he's doing!

I think the problem of having to "dick around" is simply a matter of experience and what you are using (and used to) every day. For example, I find it a lot faster and easier to achieve common things in Linux than in Windows, especially the ridiculous Windows 8 - however, I am using Linux since 1994 or so and pretty much full time since 1998.

I am working with a lot of various devices at work (virtual reality - so we are interfacing with a lot of hardware) and most of it is just plain nightmare in Windows. Ever tried to make Bluetooth work reliably in Windows with something like a Wiimote or PS Move controller (commonly used as low cost VR wands)? Or the mandatory signed drivers in 64bit Windows ... So for me it is often Windows that always requires a lot of "dicking around" to get something to compile and work rather than Linux.

The only real issue with Linux is the lack of some types of software - e.g. I needed a decent 3D CAD package that allows to make mechanical assemblies in order to use it with my 3D printer, and there simply isn't one for Linux (for a reasonable price) - the "usual suspects" are ignoring everything but Windows. There isn't even a Mac package, even less a Linux one.

[Zad]

I think the problem of having to "dick around" is simply a matter of experience and what you are using (and used to) every day. For example, I find it a lot faster and easier to achieve common things in Linux than in Windows, especially the ridiculous Windows 8 - however, I am using Linux since 1994 or so and pretty much full time since 1998.

This is the whole point really. Linux has a huge "critical mass" and a hell of a learning curve. Sure it is massively powerful and flexible, but when you need to hack something simple together and get it up and running, you need to know a huge amount of stuff. The net result is that you start tearing your hair out (clearly not something David2 is prone to) and feel like hitting your head against a brick wall.

Linux is a Rolls Royce Olympus engine when all you need is a 1.3 litre generic lump. A fantastic piece of engineering that will get you across the Atlantic at 60,000ft and Mach 2, but 99.99% of it is just stuff getting in the way of getting you down to the shops to pick up a bottle of milk.

[Fungus]

The only real issue with Linux is the lack of some types of software - e.g. I needed a decent 3D CAD package that allows to make mechanical assemblies in order to use it with my 3D printer, and there simply isn't one for Linux

When everybody has some "essential" piece of software missing (you need CAD, Dave needs SONY Vegas, I need something else...) then you eventually have to realize why people are using Windows, n'est pas?

Linux being better on some technical level doesn't count for much when you have a job to do.

[Howardlong]

If you use Linux on a daily basis, particularly as a tinkerer, I think it's reasonable that you become adept at using it. I started in the mid 90s with Linux, but I don't use it every day, but I do develop for it both on desktop and in embedded systems on a sporadic basis, probably once a month on average, although they are usually fairly in-depth lengthy sessions.

Probably largely because don't use it all the time, each time I come back to it, something's been deprecated and my code no longer compiles and/or I can't find the right versions of this and that. I have tried to correct for that by building "gold" Linux environments in VMs and that does help, but not when you need to distribute your work where you need to be able to build a working toolchain or environment. It's like building a house on quicksand to some degree, every time I go back to something a few months later the foundations have moved.

Very frequently when I want to do something in Linux, I find myself navigating through a labyrinth of Googling several interdependent steps and other gotchas, many of which lead to blind alleys, many are out of date, but usually I do find the requisite nest of golden eggs to fix my problem. It's the hours spent on negotiating those labyrinths that make Linux so darned frustrating.

I would, on the other hand, accept that for someone who doesn't use Windows or OSX on a daily basis will suffer the same indignations to some degree or other. My only comment on that is that OSX and Windows don't seem to be built on quite the same quicksand that Linux seems to be, in that I seem to be able to rebuild code from many years ago much more easily without having to spend those hours Googling. But yes, I would think there's almost universal indignation at Windows 8 and its Modern UI even among regular users, most of whom I'd suggest go straight to Desktop anyway.

[Towger]

I gave up on Linux years ago. To much messing around.  I remember having to recompile the kernel to get my Gravis Ultrasound to work. It least in those days you could run it on a 3.5 inch HD floppy.

[PeterFW]

This is silly... every OS has its use, not a single one is perfect and can do everything.
Here you have the good and the bad sides of linux combined in one single picture:

[Fungus]

Probably largely because don't use it all the time, each time I come back to it, something's been deprecated and my code no longer compiles and/or I can't find the right versions of this and that. I have tried to correct for that by building "gold" Linux environments in VMs and that does help, but not when you need to distribute your work where you need to be able to build a working toolchain or environment. It's like building a house on quicksand to some degree, every time I go back to something a few months later the foundations have moved.

This, too. Every time I try to download/use something on Linux I always need some exact version of Python or Tcl/Tk orsomething. It's never the one that's on the machine.

Eventually I gave up on Linux as a desktop machine. Save it for the routers, servers, embedded systems, etc.

[Fungus]

I use both, where they do their best.

Me too. My router and phone are both Linux. I own a Raspberry Pi or two - which would never have happened without Linux.

My desktop machine is Windows.

Use the right tool for the right job.

[dentaku]

Yup, I feel the same way. Linux just leads to too much messing around with the OS and not accomplishing anything then settling for half-finished software with clumsy interfaces that's just trying to copy the functionality of Windows software.

Of course there's the people who seem to have something against Windows because they've been told they're supposed to bash anything MS related or they won't be accepted as the correct type of hipster geek but that has noting to do with any type of rational thought or reason.
I've found that the one thing that actually works correctly on most people's PCs is Windows. It's almost always non-MS stuff that causes the problems but of course they just blame big bad Microsoft for everything because that's what the cool kids do.

[c4757p]

Not this shit again.

Look at you people.

[Grapsus]

  Yep, anyone adding any kind of argument to justify any use of any OS here is a bloody bastard.

[sleemanj]

I always need some exact version of Python or Tcl/Tk orsomething.

  sudo apt-get install the-thing-you-want

Let the package manager worry about resolving dependencies, not you.

[Howardlong]

I always need some exact version of Python or Tcl/Tk orsomething.

  sudo apt-get install the-thing-you-want

Let the package manager worry about resolving dependencies, not you.

I fear you are living in some kind of utopia, in the real world it's all too often not that simple, in any OS.

[Grapsus]

Yeah, in the real world if your script needs Python 2.4, you have to pull it from the archives and build it yourself. It can take several hours even if you're experienced.
On Windows, if you need Visual Basic runtime 4.0 on Windows 8, you have to browse crappy forums and install dubious files and it takes several hours.

That's why it's so stupid to have those discussions in the first place, the sooner you realize that, the quicker you will become an engineer and stop behaving like a teenager defending some imaginary sides of good versus evil.

[Ed.Kloonk]

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[LIV2]

Who cares about D1 and D2 not using Linux?

I'm a massive Linux nerd, and a Linux System Administrator but I don't expect everyone to use it or find it easy to use.
The Only way it might be useful to Dave(s) might be if they wanted to develop for AVRs using AVR-GCC, other than that Linux is garbage as a desktop OS and people need to stop pretending it isn't.

Linux on the desktop is a tinkerers toy, most people don't have time to fuck around getting things to work.

Everything has it's use. Linux is good for servers, Windows/OSX are good for getting shit done.

[pickle9000]

This thread needs an adjustment, Dave(s) will the left handed screwdriver work or will it take a hammer?

[Ed.Kloonk]

This thread needs an adjustment, Dave(s) will the left handed screwdriver work or will it take a hammer?

Yeah cant believe they went with the left handed screwdriver gag. Considering how ripe for picking intern jokes are with Hillerbuster running for President and Monica has popped up, as stupid as ever.

[German_EE]

<sigh> If I want to read Windows Vs Linux arguments I go to Slashdot, I thought that this was an electronics forum?

David, welcome, please watch out for all the 'Free Energy' fans and remember that Dave likes to open the lumpy parcels, not you. Also it might be a good idea to brush up on your Back to the Future knowledge as the boss seems to be quite keen. Good luck with cleaning the lab, it needs it.

Oh yes, before I forget  http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/ikea-alum-key.jpg

[VK5RC]

Doesn't the apprentice get the water cooled light bulb from stores dept?
All the best Dave2.

[Ed.Kloonk]

Also it might be a good idea to brush up on your Back to the Future knowledge as the boss seems to be quite keen. Good luck with cleaning the lab, it needs it.

hehehe. Funny I can now picture Dave2 with a guitar standing before a very big speaker.

[SeanB]

Doesn't the apprentice get the water cooled light bulb from stores dept?
All the best Dave2.

Do you mean these?

http://lampes-et-tubes.info/alxe/al064.php?l=e

http://www.lamptech.co.uk/Spec%20Sheets/Philips%20SP500R.htm

http://www.lamptech.co.uk/MD.htm

[Fungus]

I'm a massive Linux nerd, and a Linux System Administrator but I don't expect everyone to use it or find it easy to use.
The Only way it might be useful to Dave(s) might be if they wanted to develop for AVRs using AVR-GCC,

AVR-GCC is available on Windows. It's what the Arduino IDE uses for compiling.

http://winavr.sourceforge.net/

[Grapsus]

Yes, sure, you are right  Are you feeling better now ?

[LIV2]

AVR-GCC is available on Windows. It's what the Arduino IDE uses for compiling.
http://winavr.sourceforge.net/

Yeah, but I'm a neckbeard

I use VI/SublimeText2, git etc for my avr-gcc workflow. and the terminal/console on windows is infuriatingly bad so I generally don't code on my windows machines. but yeah I you can do all of that on windows too.

[orin]

If you use Linux on a daily basis, particularly as a tinkerer, I think it's reasonable that you become adept at using it. I started in the mid 90s with Linux, but I don't use it every day, but I do develop for it both on desktop and in embedded systems on a sporadic basis, probably once a month on average, although they are usually fairly in-depth lengthy sessions.

Probably largely because don't use it all the time, each time I come back to it, something's been deprecated and my code no longer compiles and/or I can't find the right versions of this and that. I have tried to correct for that by building "gold" Linux environments in VMs and that does help, but not when you need to distribute your work where you need to be able to build a working toolchain or environment. It's like building a house on quicksand to some degree, every time I go back to something a few months later the foundations have moved.

Very frequently when I want to do something in Linux, I find myself navigating through a labyrinth of Googling several interdependent steps and other gotchas, many of which lead to blind alleys, many are out of date, but usually I do find the requisite nest of golden eggs to fix my problem. It's the hours spent on negotiating those labyrinths that make Linux so darned frustrating.

I would, on the other hand, accept that for someone who doesn't use Windows or OSX on a daily basis will suffer the same indignations to some degree or other. My only comment on that is that OSX and Windows don't seem to be built on quite the same quicksand that Linux seems to be, in that I seem to be able to rebuild code from many years ago much more easily without having to spend those hours Googling. But yes, I would think there's almost universal indignation at Windows 8 and its Modern UI even among regular users, most of whom I'd suggest go straight to Desktop anyway.

Oh, very well said, Howard.

I "grew up" with Unix in the late '70s/early '80s and first used Windows in 1986(!).  I admit it was pretty dreadful until the 'NT' based versions (go read about Dave Cutler and the origins of the Windows NT kernel).

However, I've been programming for the NT interface since the mid '90s and I'd much rather use its API than any Unix variant, be it Linux (Android) or BSD (OSX/iOS)... and my code runs on Windows, Android, OS X and iOS.  Want an unnamed semaphore?  CreateSemaphore() on all Windows NT variants.  Want one that works on Android and OS X?  sem_init(), right?  Hah!  Your code compiles, perhaps with a deprecation warning, but doesn't work on OS X (the sheer stupidity of this amazes me, Apple allow the code to compile, knowing it isn't going to work).

I have the latest Visual Studio and I can still target Windows XP... and indeed, it is a requirement that what I write runs on Windows XP.  I hate to think what I'd have to do to make something run on a 12 year old Linux system with up to date tools.  I did an online course that supplied a Linux VM to do their problems.  I thought I could use another Linux system I had around.  Not a chance.  The code for the online course managed to use an incompatible libc and no way could I make it play nice.  That simply wouldn't happen with code I produce at work with the latest Visual Studio.  It will run on anything from XP to Windows 10 (and for the kind of code that this class was using, no reason it wouldn't run on Windows 2000).

There are some that say that Windows is less secure.  I think the openssl and bash problems of the last year go a long way to disproving that.  Don't for one minute think Linux is more secure.  It depends entirely on how many gullible users there are that the hackers (bad guys) can try to hack.  Why attack an OS that has relatively few end users to exploit?  If Linux or OS X became as popular as Windows, I would guess you'd start seeing as many exploits as you see now for Windows.

Then there are the complaints that Windows locks up or crashes (blue screens).  Over the last 10 years or so, my experience has been that blue screens have been caused by faulty hardware (hard drive, memory, motherboard exploding capacitors and so on) or third party drivers, (a particular 3rd party USB sound adapter comes to mind that would blue screen regularly; I returned the hardware).  My Windows machines stay up for months, other than for reboots for updates (as does my Mac mini at work).

So, be careful of what you ask for, those who live in the Linux glass house!

[romantronixlab]

Looks like Dave was able to travel to his college past and bring himself to present day.