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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #75 on: July 21, 2018, 07:03:09 am »
Anyone know how much it costs in the UK and where to get it? Given the usual exchange rate £1=$1 I am guessing £250.

Mike

Mike,

Go to the www.paceworldwide.com website and go to the top left pull-down menu and then click on "ADS200" or "ADS200 (Instant SetBack)." Or you can go directly to the pages at

Standard: www.paceworldwide.com/products/soldering-stations/digital-control-soldering-systems/ads200-accudrive-production-soldering-station-with-td200

With SetBack Tool Stand: www.paceworldwide.com/products/soldering-stations/digital-control-soldering-systems/ads200-accudrive-station-with-td200-instant-setback-cubby

Once you are on the page, you can register (an incredible hassle, I know) and should be able to view UK pricing in £. But for your edification, here are list prices:

  • ADS200 (230VAC) with Standard Tool Stand PN 8007-0580 : £199 each
  • ADS200 (230VAC) with Instant SetBack (ISB) Tool Stand PN 8007-0581 : £220 each

Please contact our primary local distributor in UK:

Exmel Solutions Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)1698 745058
Fax: +44 (0)1698 749684
Website: www.exmel.co.uk/
Email: info@exmel.co.uk

Or you can buy direct from the paceworldwide.com website (it is shipped from our UK office/warehouse) or you can call Doug Winship or Shaun Dempsey at PACE UK:

PACE Europe, LTD
11 Holdom Avenue
Bletchley, Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire
MK1 1QU, United Kingdom
+44 1908 277666
dwinship@paceworldwide.co.uk
sdempsey@paceworldwide.com

Hope this helps!

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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #76 on: July 21, 2018, 07:04:22 am »
I'm assuming that price, shipped from your UK office, is still excluding VAT?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #77 on: July 21, 2018, 08:13:44 am »
Aaron, do you know anything about what the Swiss distributor is doing? Their website doesn’t even list the ADS200 yet. (I’m not reeeeeaally in the market for a new station, but man that thing is sexy!)

This is their page for soldering stations (rework stations have a separate page) https://shop.sibalco.ch/Kategorie/Loetsysteme-34545154
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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #78 on: July 21, 2018, 08:15:19 am »
Thanks for the review.   I'm a big fan of Pace.  Been using their products for several years.   I suspect my current Pace will never need to be adjusted for temperature as well.   I do have a few questions that sadly never were answered in Cliffs thread.  Maybe you could help.

For my old Pace, there is a table showing the different tips and a compensation factor for them.   Is this still done?  I wonder if that is the "Temperature Match" you mention.

Your ST-45 is a 15 year old "SensaTemp" controlled system and we still support it with handpiece (PS-90) and tips. But as you suspected, the "Tip Offset Compensation" capability is buried in the "Temperature Match" on the newer stations. We intentionally did that because we no longer have a major need for Tip Offset. Our older plug-in-to-the-heater tips could have a 5 - 70 degree differential between the set and actual temperatures on the really massive PLCC/QFP/Tweezer tips. But with AccuDrive, you'd be hard pressed to see a differential of even 15F on any tip, which meets the ANSI/IPC J-STD-001 industry specification. We include the Temperature Match feature because there are some Engineers out there that want to see absolute dead-nuts temperature accuracy, so we give them the ability to do so. Waste of time in my opinion.

Do these new tips require a burn-in?  If so, does the firmware have a burn-in mode?  Burn-in is required (Pace's claim) to increase the life of the heater.    I wonder what the life of these new heater/tip assemblies will be.

Absolutely no burn-in is required for any of our Tip-Heater Cartridges! The burn-in procedure referred to a burn-in of the heating element not the tip itself. The way a SensaTemp heater is manufactured requires a brass bobbin to be wound with a coated heater wire - the coating burns off upon your first use of the station. The reason for the burn-in was if a customer were to get a brand new solder or desoldering iron and turn it up to max temperature, immediately, there was a minute possibility that you could immediately short out the heat wire ... so rare I never ever burned in my heaters. The initial smell of the coating was horrendous though!

The one problem that I have had with mine is when the NVRAM became corrupt.  This corrupted the password and all the settings.  There is no documentation on Pace's site to recover it.   Happened on a weekend so I could not call anyone.  I had to resort to a bit of reverse engineering to correct it.  I assume from your video, they are still using the same basic technology and nothing prevents this condition from happening.   Do they at least offer a way to recover it now?  Perhaps just a jumper on the main PCB?

Feel free to contact us if you have any technical problems through our www.paceworldwide.com/contact-us page and we'll try to resolve your problem. But in the meantime:

Password Removal  for the ST-45 is as follows (is this what you are talking about?):

1. Power up Power Source while holding the Up/down keys.
2. Release the UP/Down keys when you observe the microprocessor
version, and display will display “EPO” (Enter password).
3. Press Up key.
4. Then Press Down key.
5. Now Press the Black Program key.
6. Press Down key again.
7. Finally Press Up key.

The password is now removed, and program will return to normal operation.

Mechanically, Tip-Heater Cartridges are as robust as the originals, maybe even more so. Generally, the method of tip failure is
- the plating gets worn, and a single pit is generated through the protective iron plating
- Since solder has a solvent effect on pure copper, the pit hollows out the inside of the tip and the plating collapses (or it just stops transferring heat)
- This solvent effect once the copper is exposed is exacerbated by higher temperatures and the use of lead-free solder alloys (they are highly corrosive to the iron plating itself, especially at higher temperatures).

Now you know why we push for the use of SetBack Tool Stands! Excessive Heat + Lead-Free Solder = Premature Tip Failure! The SetBack feature drops the temp to under solder melt, and the tips no longer oxide (a.k.a corrode) ... thus your tips last 3x longer!
 
Keep in mind that man-handling a tip through rigorous use or being heavy handed is likely to cause cracks in the plating, thus causing premature failure of the tip due to the reasons above.

While mechanical failure of the tip cartridge itself is rare, it does happen if you use pliers to remove/replace tips (a real no-no with these types of tips - use the provided "Tip-Tool" or silicon pad) and deform the sides of the stainless steel sheath and crush/damage the ceramic heater interior. Also, I would avoid dropping the tip cartridges from the bench and then stepping on them!!

The biggest reason I would have to upgrade at home for my hobby is not the faster heating.  I would like to have a better set of tweezers.   Mine are huge and clumsy.  I really like the ones that came out after mine.   Will the new tweezers for this iron be the same basic design?   When will they become available?   Will the tips basically be double the price for a set? 

A new AccuDrive-compatible Thermal Tweezer is being develop as we speak, but will not be available until late Fall. They are more like the MT-100 that comes with our MBT 350, but with far more fine control from 0201 components. Tips will be, ahem, expensive but less than anyone else on the market. (Disclaimer: all prices are subject to change  ;))

Will they offer a dual output station?

I kind of doubt it, but we'll have to wait and see. The ADS200 Stacks quite nicely you know ...



Thanks for your questions ... Hope this helps!

Aaron
 
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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #79 on: July 21, 2018, 08:18:14 am »
I'm assuming that price, shipped from your UK office, is still excluding VAT?

You know, I'm not up to speed on VAT, but I can find out from Doug Winship at PACE UK. I suspect it excludes VAT.

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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #80 on: July 21, 2018, 08:24:13 am »
Aaron, do you know anything about what the Swiss distributor is doing? Their website doesn’t even list the ADS200 yet. (I’m not reeeeeaally in the market for a new station, but man that thing is sexy!)

This is their page for soldering stations (rework stations have a separate page) https://shop.sibalco.ch/Kategorie/Loetsysteme-34545154

Sibalco is a long-time distributor for PACE. I'll ask Neil Manson, European Regional Sales Manager to give Sibalco a call to push them to update their site! Surprises me that Farnell isn't listed, as they're a key PACE distributor in Europe.

Aaron
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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #81 on: July 21, 2018, 08:32:00 am »
I have a ST45 as well. I haven't got an ADS200 yet, but I think I know some of those answers.

For my old Pace, there is a table showing the different tips and a compensation factor for them.   Is this still done?  I wonder if that is the "Temperature Match" you mention.

It seems that the intent is the same, but the implementation is significantly different. In a SensaTemp system like the ST45, there is an offset temperature adjustment to compensate for the larger thermal resistance between the platinum RTD and the tip surface with large SMD tips. When using small chisel tips you just leave the offset at 0.
With the Intelliheat cartridges, the sensor technology is different. Instead of an offset adjustment, there is a calibration step where you enter the temperature reading from a thermometer. The station only uses this adjustment until the cartridge is removed, when it is cleared. (The calibration procedure uses the same button presses as the burn-in procedure on the SensaTemp stations.)
The ADS200 Temperature Match is not an offset, but just an option from 0 to 3. Pace has not yet published the manual for how this mode works or how to use it. I suppose that when the larger SMD tips and the tweezer tool are released, this mode will become relevant.

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Do these new tips require a burn-in?  If so, does the firmware have a burn-in mode?  Burn-in is required (Pace's claim) to increase the life of the heater.    I wonder what the life of these new heater/tip assemblies will be.
The burn-in procedure was used for the SensaTemp type handpieces like the PS90 which has a heater assembly. The cartridge tips do not have a burn-in mode.

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At times I use the iron to heat the copper foil enough to breakdown the adhesive so I can remove it.  When I do this, I can end up putting a fair amount of force on the tip as I don't want to apply solder to get a good heat transfer.   My old Pace with the indirect heat is very solid in this regard.  What's you thoughts on how mechanically the new tips are?
I think that the cartridge tips are not going to be as rugged when abused like this. Even though the tip-to-grip distance is short, there is a significantly longer lever arm from the tip to the support point compared to the PS90. The cartridge tips are also not held as stiffly from the side, since there is no grub screw. I would be interested to hear suggestions from PACE.

edit: I was too slow, looks like your questions have already been answered from the horse's mouth.
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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #82 on: July 21, 2018, 09:23:03 am »
Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my questions.   It's been a few years since the password problem.  I posted the procedure I came up with here which is a bit more intrusive:

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/pace-sodrtek-st-45-factory-reset/msg812698/#msg812698

Is there a similar recovery procedure documented for the new irons as well? 

My tweezers are like having two PS90s in your hand.  With the tips you offer, I can remove some very large parts with them quickly.  Anymore I use them mostly for 1206 and smaller two leaded parts but wonder will the new tweezers offer such a wide assortment of tips?     If not, is it possible to drive the old tweezers with the new controller?   
 
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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #83 on: July 21, 2018, 10:23:05 am »
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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #84 on: July 21, 2018, 11:00:17 am »
Aaron, do you know anything about what the Swiss distributor is doing? Their website doesn’t even list the ADS200 yet. (I’m not reeeeeaally in the market for a new station, but man that thing is sexy!)

This is their page for soldering stations (rework stations have a separate page) https://shop.sibalco.ch/Kategorie/Loetsysteme-34545154

Sibalco is a long-time distributor for PACE. I'll ask Neil Manson, European Regional Sales Manager to give Sibalco a call to push them to update their site! Surprises me that Farnell isn't listed, as they're a key PACE distributor in Europe.

Aaron
Indeed!

That said, Farnell doesn't list the ADS200 yet, either… :/
 

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« Reply #85 on: July 21, 2018, 11:17:49 am »
Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my questions.   It's been a few years since the password problem.  I posted the procedure I came up with here which is a bit more intrusive:

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/pace-sodrtek-st-45-factory-reset/msg812698/#msg812698

Is there a similar recovery procedure documented for the new irons as well? 

My tweezers are like having two PS90s in your hand.  With the tips you offer, I can remove some very large parts with them quickly.  Anymore I use them mostly for 1206 and smaller two leaded parts but wonder will the new tweezers offer such a wide assortment of tips?  If not, is it possible to drive the old tweezers with the new controller?

Hi Joe,

We have a document for recovery of all old & new power supplies, but it looks like it hasn't been updated for the ADS200 (see attached pdf file). I'm pretty sure it's the same procedure as for "IntelliHeat Systems" but I'll make sure it is updated.

You have the older TT-65 ThermoTweez handpiece which was designed to remove larger chips and large 4-sided components. It's not very ergomonic and it can get very hot if used continuously. The newer Thermal Tweezer will be more like our current MT-100 (see www.paceworldwide.com/products/handpieces/tweezers/mt100-minitweez-surface-mount-rework-tweezer-handpiece) and will use identically shaped tips ... but it will not be compatible with the IntelliHeat or SensaTemp Handpieces. The reason is that the new Tweezer tips use a completely different voltage (16VAC) and sensor system than older units and is thus not compatible. But there will be 11 tips (with identical tip configurations as the current MT-100 Tip selection), and one additional fine point set of tips for 0201 chips.

Hope this helps,

Aaron

 

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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #86 on: July 21, 2018, 11:39:40 am »
Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my questions.   It's been a few years since the password problem.  I posted the procedure I came up with here which is a bit more intrusive:

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/pace-sodrtek-st-45-factory-reset/msg812698/#msg812698

Is there a similar recovery procedure documented for the new irons as well? 

My tweezers are like having two PS90s in your hand.  With the tips you offer, I can remove some very large parts with them quickly.  Anymore I use them mostly for 1206 and smaller two leaded parts but wonder will the new tweezers offer such a wide assortment of tips?  If not, is it possible to drive the old tweezers with the new controller?

Hi Joe,

We have a document for recovery of all old & new power supplies, but it looks like it hasn't been updated for the ADS200 (see attached pdf file). I'm pretty sure it's the same procedure as for "IntelliHeat Systems" but I'll make sure it is updated.

You have the older TT-65 ThermoTweez handpiece which was designed to remove larger chips and large 4-sided components. It's not very ergomonic and it can get very hot if used continuously. The newer Thermal Tweezer will be more like our current MT-100 (see www.paceworldwide.com/products/handpieces/tweezers/mt100-minitweez-surface-mount-rework-tweezer-handpiece) and will use identically shaped tips ... but it will not be compatible with the IntelliHeat or SensaTemp Handpieces. The reason is that the new Tweezer tips use a completely different voltage (16VAC) and sensor system than older units and is thus not compatible. But there will be 11 tips (with identical tip configurations as the current MT-100 Tip selection), and one additional fine point set of tips for 0201 chips.

Hope this helps,

Aaron

Yes, it can get hot and is hard to handle on small parts.  0805 is about the smallest I will use it on.  It's a bit of a pain from the standpoint I have to swap between the two hand sets and they take time to come up to temp.  Again, it's just for a hobby. 

I use the MT100 and it is a very nice tool.   I am glad to hear the new tweezers will offer the same tips.  Is the cost of ownership for the new tweezers basically a wash with the MT100?   

I've been eyeing the MBT 301 for home and basically wondering if a two ADS200 stations with the new tweezers would be more cost effective?         

That document would have saved me a fair bit of time hacking my iron.  I searched your website for anything that would help and did not find anything.  Is this something that the company has recently decided to make public?   I could understand in production not wanting to allow workers to adjust the iron and assumed it was not disclosed for this reason.  By the time I could have called Pace, I had already hacked it and moved on, but this doc could really be a life saver.   Even with people buying old Pace tools that were locked.   So big thanks releasing it.
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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #87 on: July 21, 2018, 04:51:56 pm »
Hi,

I hate people giving Dave grief for what appears to be bad sales strategy or treating Australians as second class consumers (which is pretty prevalent). Given it's on sale in the US for around $220, assuming the retailer / distributor makes a pretty penny off that adding a generous 40% overhead for import duties, taxes, shipping etc still brings the unit prices to $410AUD.

Charging close to $600 is plain greed, it's not Dave's fault. It just shows how little Pace care about making their product available in a market for a reasonable price (including overhead) and the greed or inefficiency of the supply chain of their distributor(s).

Thanks for the video Dave, my wife might find your voice annoying but I still love your videos - they got me into hobby electronics. Keep them coming. Kind of miss fundamentals Fridays, more of those please when you have time.

Pace, you can do better than this.

 

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« Reply #88 on: July 21, 2018, 06:16:33 pm »
I've been eyeing the MBT 301 for home and basically wondering if a two ADS200 stations with the new tweezers would be more cost effective? 

That is what I am aiming for with my two ADS200.  I can just use two irons or swap one to the tweezers when they come out. Based on Paces past systems I expect they will eventually roll Accudrive technology into the larger stations but this could be years away. I've got my eyes on a few other Pace handpieces as well they do a really good desoldering tool the SX-100.

These are my two spanking new ADS200 here.

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« Reply #89 on: July 21, 2018, 07:33:51 pm »
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Pace wrote:  Also, I would avoid dropping the tip cartridges from the bench and then stepping on them!!
 
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Shock wrote:  they do a really good desoldering tool the SX-100.
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Nice set of twins.

After using several other desolder tools, I bought the SX100 for my MBT250 about a year ago (professional repair-work everyday use). I desolder a lot, really a lot. There are days I do over 200 desolder joints. My SX-70(?) was not bad but needed the very thin tube tips and I needed a better more powefull one. I did not know I could use the SX100.
Then I made the mistake to retire my MBT (but keep it as backup) and bought 2 Metcal stations. It performed not better as the SX-70 but there must be a (expensive) tip eating monster in there. When the normal handpiece died for the second time (the desolder handpiece was already replaced after a few months) I started using the Pace again. I mailed Pace if there was a better desolder handpiece for my (>25 year old) MBT and some questions about overhauling the pump and about tips. They immediately answered all my questions and so I bought a SX-100 with a bunch of tips sets and checked the pump, that turned out to be as new (as the Pace man expected) The Metcals went through a few membrames in 2 years)

Now after a year of (ab)use. The SX-100 is still going strong, tips last a very decent time, but who cares, they are dead-cheap, and you can drop them and jump on them if that is your thing...  :)

One weak point of the SX100 is the rubber around the tips. The tips have a trumpet shape end that damages the (luckily cheap) rubber because I use about 8 sizes of tips and switch between them all the time (that is several times a day). I cut of the trumpet and and it did not negative influence the working (I think it improved) but now the rubber lasts.

An other "problem", the thing sucks so freakin'hard that you must not cut a pin first and then remove the rest of the pin with the SX-100 because it sucks the pin with so much force it gets stuck in the tip. 

To be short, the SX100 really sucks, but in a good way  :-+

The tweezers do indeed get hot and are not great for SMD small parts. I now use two normal hand-pieces for that but I would like some microtweezers


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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #90 on: July 21, 2018, 09:14:49 pm »
The SX-100 is still going strong, tips last a very decent time, but who cares, they are dead-cheap, and you can drop them and jump on them if that is your thing...  :)

Yes I noticed tequipment had a selection pack of 8 Pace tips for the SX-100 (6993-0288-P1) for about $57 with discount. So that is about 8 bucks a tip which is a steal.

I'm jealous, if I was to have my choice of Pace gear it would be an MBT 350 station with an SX-100 and  TJ-70. For the 3rd tool undecided but I want to have a channel spare if I need it. Then after that ultimately a ST 325 hot air with a PH 100 IR Preheater, I do not have decent preheating so yeah I have to use workarounds.

I saw a ST 325 go for around $300 on Ebay the other day and forgot about it.
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« Reply #91 on: July 21, 2018, 10:11:49 pm »
Wondering if there is any trade-in program at Pace for the ADS200.
Would be tempted to give up my Hakko FX888D, if that would get me a good discount on the price for the ADS200.
 

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« Reply #92 on: July 22, 2018, 12:42:50 am »
Yes, That is called ebay  >:D
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« Reply #93 on: July 22, 2018, 02:24:25 am »
I've been eyeing the MBT 301 for home and basically wondering if a two ADS200 stations with the new tweezers would be more cost effective? 

That is what I am aiming for with my two ADS200.  I can just use two irons or swap one to the tweezers when they come out. Based on Paces past systems I expect they will eventually roll Accudrive technology into the larger stations but this could be years away. I've got my eyes on a few other Pace handpieces as well they do a really good desoldering tool the SX-100.

These are my two spanking new ADS200 here.

Not too much bench space going this route.   I don't do enough desoldering to justify anything other than a sucker.  Same with the heat gun.  I will just stick with my old Weller.
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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #94 on: July 22, 2018, 03:04:13 am »

One weak point of the SX100 is the rubber around the tips. The tips have a trumpet shape end that damages the (luckily cheap) rubber because I use about 8 sizes of tips and switch between them all the time (that is several times a day). I cut of the trumpet and and it did not negative influence the working (I think it improved) but now the rubber lasts. Front Seal failure


We're working on that silicone SX-100 Front Seal. It was sourced ages ago and we are looking for a more durable and heat resistant material. Interesting that the desoldering tip works as well after cutting off the fluted (trumpet-shaped) end of the stainless transfer tube. The fluted end is definitely a major source of damage to the Front Seal. During all of our tests, a straightened tube resulted in a significant increase in solder clogs. Maybe we should rethink? Hmmm ...

Thanks for the comments.

Aaron
 

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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #95 on: July 22, 2018, 03:07:01 am »
Wondering if there is any trade-in program at Pace for the ADS200.
Would be tempted to give up my Hakko FX888D, if that would get me a good discount on the price for the ADS200.

Not at this time. We usually work with a local distributor to advance promotions such as these.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #96 on: July 22, 2018, 03:44:56 am »

The curious cat in me wonders what the military is doing needing hundreds of new Pace stations per year! It’s not as though they’re all failing after a year or two! And surely they aren’t expanding their hand-assembly workforce at that pace? (No pun intended)

Like anything government run they have a budget that they must spend every year, because if they don’t spend the whole budget then their budget will be reduced. So they spend it all Willy-nilly and then ask for more money the next year. The inefficiency of self-preservation....
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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #97 on: July 22, 2018, 03:54:06 am »
Not ADS200 related but is there a quieter air pump, rotary instead of diaphram, available for the ST75 ? I want to convert one of my ST75's so I can use the TJ-85 hot air pencil. Also, can I retrofit an ST115 front panel and electronics to the ST75.
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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #98 on: July 22, 2018, 04:18:04 am »
So they spend it all Willy-nilly and then ask for more money the next year.

LOL :-DD (but sadly, it's true)
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Re: EEVblog #1106 - Pace ADS200 Soldering Station Review (JBC Killer?)
« Reply #99 on: July 22, 2018, 04:32:42 am »

We're working on that silicone SX-100 Front Seal. It was sourced ages ago and we are looking for a more durable and heat resistant material. Interesting that the desoldering tip works as well after cutting off the fluted (trumpet-shaped) end of the stainless transfer tube. The fluted end is definitely a major source of damage to the Front Seal. During all of our tests, a straightened tube resulted in a significant increase in solder clogs. Maybe we should rethink? Hmmm ...

Thanks for the comments.

Aaron

Yes, There is sometimes solder clogging without the flute, I can not remember if that also was the case before I modded the tips. But before that I had to empty the tube much more often and had to clean or replace the felt-filter in the tube more often, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day while there was not a lot of solder in there. That was sprayed with solder and flux, that was more work as removing the clogged solder. Now I have a Z shaped piece of metal clamped  just before the felt filter. It is bizar how well it still sucks with the tube almost full.

There is a simple solution for the rubber, (I think) If you make the part of the tip that is in the heater a bit longer so the thick part of the tip also presses on the front side of the seal. That way you have an extra and much better sealing. And an even better thermal resistance because of the increased mass.

But I think I desolder a bit more as average because of the sort of repair work I do.
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