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EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« on: August 11, 2018, 02:21:44 pm »
Review of the new 18W USB-C TS80 temperature controlled portable soldering iron.
http://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/bDjVklFw

TLDR; Highly recommended, money well spent if you need a portable iron solution, but you need a QC3 battery pack.

« Last Edit: October 03, 2018, 06:23:42 pm by EEVblog »
 

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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2018, 07:53:37 pm »
Video is not visible on the YT channel.
Desired?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2018, 08:04:01 pm »
Maybe a community firmware will make it work also with 5V regular power banks?

EDIT: the previous model was open source in firmware and hardware. http://www.minidso.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=868&extra=page%3D1

This is not, for now. At least i couldn't find any schematic or firmare. I guess that it is a bit more unlikely to get a community made firmare for this version
« Last Edit: August 11, 2018, 08:11:40 pm by 5n44p »
 

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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2018, 10:43:21 am »
Looks good.

It would be interesting to see Dave's opinion on the included 'deathdaptor'.
 

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2018, 11:46:54 am »
Looks good.

It would be interesting to see Dave's opinion on the included 'deathdaptor'.

That one has a genuine UL certificate. I didn't find the safety test report, but there's a QC3.0 compliance test certificate from UL Taiwan.
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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2018, 05:05:34 pm »
Has anyone tried to use it with Apple USB C power supplies for the current MacBook lineup? That would be a great combination.
 

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2018, 06:59:43 pm »
That one has a genuine UL certificate. I didn't find the safety test report, but there's a QC3.0 compliance test certificate from UL Taiwan.
Nah. Not the USB PSU. He means the cheap plug converter with exposed contacts.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2018, 08:26:01 pm »
Dave uploaded a short follow up video on the second channel about an hour ago, apparently some people were complaining that the unit lacked portability due to its power requirements.


 

« Last Edit: August 12, 2018, 10:38:33 pm by Muttley Snickers »
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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2018, 08:45:49 am »
Interesting bits from TS80 manual with help of babelfishgoogle translate:
  • It won't work with USB PD. Only QC3.0 9V 2A. (my note: maybe QC2.0?)
  • "Power 18" setting (16-24W, default 18W) must not exceed used power supply output capability or supply AND TS80 may be damaged.
  • "OffVolt 10.0" setting sets maximum allowed input voltage. Above it heating is stopped.
  • "8.75V 26°C" setting: Calibrate the current used tip  :-+  :clap:
    • Press button A (closer to tip) to start process.
    • After calibration the displayed temperature (in settings menu?) should be close to room temperature.
    • Before calibrating a tip, please insert the tip into the TS80 and let it stand for 10 minutes to ensure that the temperature of the TS80 and the tip are same as room temperature.
    • “Completed” will be displayed after the calibration is completed, and “Retry later” will be displayed if the calibration conditions are not met.
  • Should warm in 22 seconds from 30°C to 300°C with 9V 18W input.
  • Not moved in set 180 seconds -> Idle at set (200°C) temperature. Another set 180 seconds not moved -> Stand by at room temperature.
  • Should work as usb disk when connected to computer. There is samekind config file, start up screen logo file and firmware update procedure as with TS100.

Someone could look pcb if usb-c input connector has CC1&2 pins connected to mcu? If those are, then hacks have posibility get USB PD to work. Maybe in future a laptop could then be used as power supply for soldering.

Dave, what are dimensions of the edge of the TS-D25 tip? Specs tell only length.

Manual is here http://www.minidso.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3202&extra=page%3D1. I can't upload 1.09MB file.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2018, 08:53:17 am »
I rechecked main channel video and settings showed "--°C". So the tip wasn't calibrated in the video. Seems user should do this at first use.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2018, 09:05:43 am »
It only supports QC. QC can be emulated with MCU using DAC or resistors+GPIOs. QC is a "stupid" protocol without sophisticated timing and encoding mechanisms, not even CRC.
PD requires 4b/5b encoding and current source/sink PHY, plus to support legacy mode, passive resistor array and MUX are also required, and PD requires specific timing and CRC.
You can mock up a PD controller with an MCU, but that needs to be an MCU with advanced logic and analog, such as PSoC. I doubt you can do PD with an STM32.
Considering the cost of PSoC, you'd better use a TCPCi compliant CC PHY for less than one dollar, and talk to the PHY over I2C.
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2018, 10:22:38 am »
It only supports QC. QC can be emulated with MCU using DAC or resistors+GPIOs. QC is a "stupid" protocol without sophisticated timing and encoding mechanisms, not even CRC.

Is there an open specification for QC?
 

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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2018, 11:21:23 am »
It only supports QC. QC can be emulated with MCU using DAC or resistors+GPIOs. QC is a "stupid" protocol without sophisticated timing and encoding mechanisms, not even CRC.

Is there an open specification for QC?

No. HaD has a reverse engineering.
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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2018, 04:33:22 pm »
I hop they will release the schematics soon.
Would be nice to have USB-PD capabilities, but then again, it might be missing the USB-Vcc-PHY to communicate USB-PD-Request to the supply.
However USB-C to USB-C PD might stipp be possible via the CC1 and CC2 Pins on the connector.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2018, 07:12:22 pm »
In the video Dave does not like the supplied free stand..
There is a dedicated (for TS-100) mini stand, available from Bangood (and others). Is is very nice and very small.
It could easily find a place int the supplied pouch.
See attached photo. It is not cheap (about 10 Euros).
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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2018, 11:08:18 pm »
There are tips on sale for the TS100 with that same conical heatshield. Are they shorter than the standard TS100 tips ?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2018, 11:10:22 pm »
I wonder how much it last with a power bank.

Some time ago I've got a battery powered soldering iron, the weller BP865CEU.
And I really hate it. The batteries don't last nothing, and they was always discharged when I need it. And I can't use rechargeable batteries, not only because it's not recommended, but because they don't fit inside the battery holder.

This is the main problem with battery powered devices, you have to rely in batteries, which are not so good to store energy for long time.

In my opinion for who need to use a portable soldering iron form time to time, the best option are the butane one.
Butane never discharge, once you have the tank filled, you can keep it on the shelf for months, even years, and it still ready to use.
Even the refill tank don't loose his "charge" over time.

Fuels still the best option for store energy for long time.
 

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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2018, 11:19:50 pm »
This iron could make a great promotional item. It is technological,  cute and has a real use , unlike most of promotional gadgets. I'd seriously considered it were i running a big company. in mass quantities it should be not that expensive to make.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2018, 03:52:58 am »
So what is the difference between the TS80 and the TS100 I have seen so many other people like Louis Rossmann recommend?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2018, 04:29:19 am »
If you carry any cordless tools, you may already have a 18-20 volt DC power supply for your TS100!
 

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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2018, 05:27:52 am »
So what is the difference between the TS80 and the TS100 I have seen so many other people like Louis Rossmann recommend?

TS100 is 65W vs 24W on TS80
Barrel jack vs USB C with burnproof cable
Longer grip to tip on TS100

Most of the differences are covered in the video.
 

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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2018, 07:57:09 am »
If you carry any cordless tools, you may already have a 18-20 volt DC power supply for your TS100!

I do not think you need a soldering tool at a construction site unless you are a plumber, but then this puppy is not for the job  >:D
 

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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2018, 09:35:55 am »
If you carry any cordless tools, you may already have a 18-20 volt DC power supply for your TS100!

I do not think you need a soldering tool at a construction site unless you are a plumber, but then this puppy is not for the job  >:D

Plumbers are not the only ones that carry and use cordless tools, and obviously this is not the tool they would be using so I’m missing your point.  :-//
 

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Re: EEVblog #1114 - NEW TS80 USB Soldering Iron Review
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2018, 09:53:27 am »
So what is the difference between the TS80 and the TS100 I have seen so many other people like Louis Rossmann recommend?

TS100 is 65W vs 24W on TS80
Barrel jack vs USB C with burnproof cable
Longer grip to tip on TS100

Most of the differences are covered in the video.

An issue that is under-emphasized in Dave's video(s) is that the tips are not compatible and the selection of tips for the ts-100 are far greater. Over time expect to spend more on tips than the iron. The Haako clone tips and units win here. You can turn a  T-12 clone into a portable. Of course it  has more weight and bulk than the TS80 but that is the direction I am going. I have  a TS100 and a homebuilt T-12 clone.
 


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