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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1175 on: April 16, 2018, 12:09:58 am »
the thing still bothering me is  :   why oh why do you expect the tl866 will eventually program everything you thrown at autoelectric ???  seriously  buy a more powerful programmer ???

I do know its not cheap,  but stop  day dreaming

I have the tl866, in my win10 64 bit, it is always a nightmare to update, just tried the 6.70 version with the 2.81 fw update, had always to resort to a 32bit machine to update it ...   may switch to the new version, just to try and play with.  I hate the fact you had to update the fw to use the newest software each time a new revision is out.

I invested in an tnm5000 :  a very good buy,  i had sold my fist one for getting the Elnec,  it was a big mistake, bought a new one from Ali,  they recently added more powerful adapters  ... and they dont cost a fortune, why people dont start a thread with this one ??

I have an Elnec beeprog :   but the software is too complex for my taste, and adapters cost a fortune, may eventually sell it.

Check MCUMALL for the gq-5x universal, many people are still waithing for it,  they have actuallly 2 models:   the nand model and the spi one, but they aren't speedy to make the universal model who will combine the other two  ??? I had the gq-4x, it was bery good too and very stable.

I dont think autoelectric whant the tl866 to get bigger too fast in features and / or more supported hardware ...  if it was the case, they would already had make an newer model with more feature packed stuff. The tl866 II  may go in that direction slightly faster ???

The tnm5000 evolve pretty fast in requests and software updates.

Surely the software executable must extract something in computer memory ?? maybe there is something who could be captured and reversed ???

@ MITI

PicDem is an officially supported programmer with its own algorythms etc ...  maybe Autoelectric dont have permissions for everything out there ??  if you made an adapter has you said,   share it here with schematics etc ... some knowledgable people may extend it further ?
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1176 on: April 16, 2018, 01:33:50 am »
the thing still bothering me is  :   why oh why do you expect the tl866 will eventually program everything you thrown at autoelectric ???  seriously  buy a more powerful programmer ???

I do know its not cheap,  but stop  day dreaming

I have the tl866, in my win10 64 bit, it is always a nightmare to update, just tried the 6.70 version with the 2.81 fw update, had always to resort to a 32bit machine to update it ...   may switch to the new version, just to try and play with.  I hate the fact you had to update the fw to use the newest software each time a new revision is out.

I invested in an tnm5000 :  a very good buy,  i had sold my fist one for getting the Elnec,  it was a big mistake, bought a new one from Ali,  they recently added more powerful adapters  ... and they dont cost a fortune, why people dont start a thread with this one ??

I have an Elnec beeprog :   but the software is too complex for my taste, and adapters cost a fortune, may eventually sell it.

Check MCUMALL for the gq-5x universal, many people are still waithing for it,  they have actuallly 2 models:   the nand model and the spi one, but they aren't speedy to make the universal model who will combine the other two  ??? I had the gq-4x, it was bery good too and very stable.

I dont think autoelectric whant the tl866 to get bigger too fast in features and / or more supported hardware ...  if it was the case, they would already had make an newer model with more feature packed stuff. The tl866 II  may go in that direction slightly faster ???

The tnm5000 evolve pretty fast in requests and software updates.

Surely the software executable must extract something in computer memory ?? maybe there is something who could be captured and reversed ???

@ MITI

PicDem is an officially supported programmer with its own algorythms etc ...  maybe Autoelectric dont have permissions for everything out there ??  if you made an adapter has you said,   share it here with schematics etc ... some knowledgable people may extend it further ?
I never had any problems updating my TL866CS running on 64 bit Windows 7. Just press the button when the new software tells me to and it's done.

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1177 on: April 16, 2018, 01:33:58 am »
the thing still bothering me is  :   why oh why do you expect the tl866 will eventually program everything you thrown at autoelectric ???  seriously  buy a more powerful programmer ???

I can't justify the cost of a powerful programmer, I use it very rarely. On top of that, I have SP5000 at work. And it is fun...and when you develop a device like that you can expect people to throw all kind of requests at you...and some people like challenges...and they like transforming day dreams in reality. Want more?

@ MITI
PicDem is an officially supported programmer with its own algorythms etc ...  maybe Autoelectric dont have permissions for everything out there ??  if you made an adapter has you said,   share it here with schematics etc ... some knowledgable people may extend it further ?

I connect through the ICSP port, there's no algorithm, permission stuff there. All you need to know is the Microchip ICSP protocol and you're in.
All the information is there, any "knowledgeable" person can generate a schematic from that but I will draw a proper schematic soon.
That big spark at power up was by design!
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1178 on: April 16, 2018, 11:40:41 am »
as you said   you can throw many requests as you can, but autoelectric have their development speed and ressources, and people tend to loose patience and sometimes ask for miracles loll  its a cheap programmer with limitations, maybe good and bad design in some case, compatibility may arise.

If i recall the tl866 was developped for automotive purposes at first, ecu hacking, dumping etc ... and began to have an huge sucess with it's cheap cost and not so expensive adapters, but it will have hardware limitations pretty fast.

At my job  we use Atmel, Microchip, very old Xilinx cpld's, stm 32  and the list goes on and on, i have tried the Elnec Beeprog on all of them with huge sucess, had one limitation pulled off after sw updates to correct an communication bug. the tnm5000 was second with only one chip "cpld kind" limitation who will be eventually adressed ...

Had to keep an old chipmaster 6000 xpu to help for a longtime, with very outdated software.

That's a load of different softwares and tons of programmers costing time and frustrations.

And this tl866 has lots of them ... but reversing and hacking helped for schematics,  now there is the software side of it, maybe some people with knowledge and ressources may find a way to overcome this ???   maybe capture memory content of the computer to catch expanded / unencrypted / extracted files  ???

Send tons of emails to autoelectric  maybe they will move a little bit faster under pressure  loll
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1179 on: April 16, 2018, 03:16:43 pm »
Hi folks,
will the following adaptor work for my TL866?
http://www.epromirok.hu/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=197

I would like to be able to program HD6475328 PLCC 84-pin chips :)
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1180 on: April 16, 2018, 09:54:08 pm »
I've been toying around with attiny45 avr's, and am currently at a point where I need an extra i/o pin so I wad thinking about disabling the RESET pin.

From what i've read, the tl866 supports HVSP, so does this mean I can recover the RESET pin fuse with the tl866?

I don't see any any toggle switch in the software, so does the tl866 always use HVSP on these attiny's?

Anyone can actually confirm?

EDIT:
I just went ahead and took the risk of having a unsable tiny45, but I can confirm that the TL866 can indeed reset the fuses. I disabled the RESET pin (HFUSE 0x5F), and was able to read and rewrite the program & fuses without a problem.
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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1181 on: April 17, 2018, 12:53:33 pm »
@teevee  no it wont do, please check the TL866  ic's listing supported

http://www.autoelectric.cn/MiniPro/TL866II_List.txt

you already know the Mcumall GQ-4X  will program it  ...

BUT

Some Hitachi cpu will behave like an eeprom or prom once put in the right mode, you have to read their pdf sheets to know if its possible, and wich chip it will emulate ...

http://pdf1.alldatasheet.fr/datasheet-pdf/view/77345/HITACHI/HD6475328-CP10.html
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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1182 on: April 17, 2018, 07:50:41 pm »
Can this thing program some Renesas UPD78 or so devices? Freescale?

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1183 on: April 17, 2018, 08:49:31 pm »
Can this thing program some Renesas UPD78 or so devices? Freescale?

Please have a look at the list of supported devices. The link is in the post directly above yours.
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1184 on: April 19, 2018, 05:44:04 am »
I've been toying around with attiny45 avr's, and am currently at a point where I need an extra i/o pin so I wad thinking about disabling the RESET pin.

From what i've read, the tl866 supports HVSP, so does this mean I can recover the RESET pin fuse with the tl866?

I don't see any any toggle switch in the software, so does the tl866 always use HVSP on these attiny's?

Anyone can actually confirm?

EDIT:
I just went ahead and took the risk of having a unsable tiny45, but I can confirm that the TL866 can indeed reset the fuses. I disabled the RESET pin (HFUSE 0x5F), and was able to read and rewrite the program & fuses without a problem.
i'll be quoting myself, but i'm confused.
Upon first programming my attiny45 with RESET disabled (E2 5F fuses), I am able to reprogram the fuses, and read & verify RESET is enabled again.
The tiny lets me erase, program, read... so I see no problem.

Now after building it into my project, I was not satisfied with the code, so I wanted to reprogram it (knowing it worked before). But now it's not longer working. I am not able to reset the fuses, and reprogram/erase/id the tiny..

first time i thought i had accidentely disabled spi also (so i guess i would need a HVPP), so second time i made sure the fuses were set correctly. but I'm up to 2 unusable mcu's now.  |O :-//
This really has me scratching my head right now...


The only explanation i can come up with, is that the fuses only come into effect, upon first powerup and running the code.
That would explain why i can enable/disable the fuses upon first programming/testing. but once it runs the code/powers on, the reset would effectively be disabled, and the tl866 is not really supporting HVSP.  :wtf:

EDIT:
I'll be damned.... apparently it works fine in the soic ziff socket...  |O :-//

So, here's the story. I program the soic8 ATtiny45 in a ziff socket. Then I solder it to a dip8 breakoutboard, so i can wire it up in my project.
Now when I wanted to reprogam it, i dosldered it from the project, wired it to a 8pin ribon cable, that goes to a pinheader, into the TL866 Socket.

Apparently this was causing my headache. As a desperate measure, i put the heatgun to it, desolderen the ATtiny from the breakout, it it worked just find in the soic8 ziff socket  :palm:

Still have no clue as to what the problem is. tried 2 different ATtinys on 2 different breakoutboards, both the same problem, breakoutboards checks out fine, the ribbon cable measured fine pin-for-pin, the pinheader checks-out fine... i'm clueless. but atleast I can use my ATTinys again.  :clap:


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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1185 on: April 19, 2018, 01:34:38 pm »
yours is a sivava willem programmer,  should be an tl866 clone,  not totally sure about it since the software is hard to find, unless someone has an link to download it ??

Not even sure they are on par with Autoelectric  for the sotwares updates and compatibility ??
 
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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1186 on: April 19, 2018, 06:40:58 pm »
yours is a sivava willem programmer,  should be an tl866 clone,  not totally sure about it since the software is hard to find, unless someone has an link to download it ??

Not even sure they are on par with Autoelectric  for the sotwares updates and compatibility ??
I am aware it is a clone, and I had this unit for years.
Has been crossflashed to a tl866a, and has always been running the latest official software/firmware (updates the fw just fine). It has always been able to work with any ic I threw at it. It does program my attiny in hvsp mode, in a soic8 ziff adaptor. Just not wired like above (for some reason i just can't explain).

This works just fine to reset the RE fuse and revive to attiny reset pin:


 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1187 on: April 23, 2018, 12:53:12 am »
Software 6.71 and 7.11 are out.
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1188 on: April 25, 2018, 03:10:01 am »
Version: V6.71 Support:14299 --2018.04.17

ADD:
PM25LQ512 /010/020/040/080/016/032 GD25B32 /GD25B64
Fix: S24S45 DS1220(RW)Algorithm.

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1189 on: April 27, 2018, 06:11:59 am »
WizardProg Mobile also updated.
Support TL866 with 6.71 software version.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wizardprog.mobile
 
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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1190 on: April 27, 2018, 07:00:23 am »
WizardProg Mobile also updated.
Support TL866 with 6.71 software version.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wizardprog.mobile

For those who might have missed it earlier: Here is SergMM's post on his Android software for this programmer. http://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-411-minipro-tl866-universal-programmer-review/msg1322926/#msg1322926

Thanks SergMM, much appreciated! BTW -- when I looked up your forum profile, searching for the original post, I found that you have pretty uniques post statistics. Please see the picture: "He don't talk much, but what is says carries some weight." ;) 
Congrats!

 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1191 on: April 27, 2018, 04:23:31 pm »
Thanks SergMM, much appreciated! BTW -- when I looked up your forum profile, searching for the original post, I found that you have pretty uniques post statistics. Please see the picture: "He don't talk much, but what is says carries some weight." ;) 
Congrats!

+1 , I used it and it works.  :-+ Another kudos to SergMM.

About the app, to SergMM, if you're reading this, personally, I wouldn't mind if you charge your app instead of giving it for free, really.  :clap:
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1192 on: May 03, 2018, 06:35:13 am »
I got a chip ID 80 04 from a read ID. What is that?  :-// (I have a list of chip ids but i cannot find this)
 

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Re: EEVblog #411 - MiniPro TL866 Universal Programmer Review
« Reply #1193 on: May 08, 2018, 08:24:35 pm »
what chip did you put in, brand and model markings  ??  sometimes you remove the check id to program it ...
 


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