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EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« on: April 06, 2013, 09:25:00 pm »
How much has oscilloscope technology developed in the last 5 years?
Dave compares the baseline $800 entry level scope from 5 years ago, the Rigol DS1052E, to the current $800 benchmark, the DS2072.
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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2013, 09:45:24 pm »
Awwww yeah! Thanks Dave. I think we all had a great discussion on the thread that started this. I expect this video to get a lot of views.
 

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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2013, 09:47:58 pm »
I expect this video to get a lot of views.

I hope so, took a while to shoot this one!
It was going to be a quick 5 min vid where I just mentioned each feature, but I thought it was kinda lame if I didn't demo each one.
 

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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2013, 10:17:47 pm »
Yep, what you say in the video pretty much sums it up for me also.
I bought the DS2072 for the same reasons as an entry level scope. And actually, I don't think I will need to get an other scope, as a hobbyist. Maybe, IF one day I will advance my knowledge level enough I will need a Mixed Signal Oscilloscope but for the next 10-15 years I am well covered.

My only complain against Rigol is their support (after sale service, firmware updates).
The competition from the other major companies demands a far better customer service, they should invest more effort and fast into this matter.

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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2013, 10:30:04 pm »
Dave wants Staze to go broke  ;D
I would still get the DS1102E for myself (and I did). You won't convince me this time Dave.  :P
It's just that $800 is a lot of money for a hobby you can abandon in 2 or 4 years.
I can't abandon the hobby myself because I am making it my career but still, I don't spare $800.

Original thread here:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-scope-lost-in-the-reviews/

P.S. now the poll made in the original thread will go frenetically towards the DS2072. Lucky Dave. :palm:
 

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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2013, 10:59:39 pm »
Dave, is there any way you can request some low end <$1000 oscilloscopes and make an Oscilloscope shootout video in the future? Maybe for the 500th video?  :-DMM

That really would get a lot of views.
 

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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2013, 11:02:38 pm »
It's just that $800 is a lot of money for a hobby you can abandon in 2 or 4 years.
You could also flip the argument and claim that you'll abandon the hobby earlier if you just pay the $400.  >:D
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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2013, 11:19:47 pm »
But what about the fan noise?

The DS1052 got noted for having a distinctly audible fan. Is the DS2072 louder, quieter, or about the same?

One advantage of the DS1052 if you don't have a dedicated lab is the small size. You can easily tuck it away on a shelf when you are not using it.
 

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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2013, 11:41:09 pm »
One advantage of the DS1052 if you don't have a dedicated lab is the small size. You can easily tuck it away on a shelf when you are not using it.
Speaking of which, I don't I recall that Dave gave them a good side/top view so you can judge the depth better.
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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2013, 12:58:59 am »
DS2072 does not have the alternate trigger, that DS1052E has. But this might not be a problem.
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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2013, 01:39:18 am »
Bummer, I literally just received my ds1052e this week, but oh well. I'm still an electronics newbie and I think I can learn a lot from my scope.  I've got plenty of people who would gladly take it off my hands should I decide to upgrade later as well.
 

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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2013, 01:44:22 am »
Bummer, I literally just received my ds1052e this week, but oh well. I'm still an electronics newbie and I think I can learn a lot from my scope.  I've got plenty of people who would gladly take it off my hands should I decide to upgrade later as well.

That is a bit of a bummer as the DS1052E is essentially discontinued and the DS1102E is available at more or less the same price (unless you got a close-out deal on the 1052).

But don't worry about it, the 1052 is still the nice scope it was when it was first introduced, and the 2072 costs way more as well as being much bigger and more complicated to operate.
 

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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2013, 01:50:22 am »
I have seen you analyze serial communications (I2C, SPI, RS232) in different videos.  This is the first time I notice USB.

What is necessary to do USB traffic analysis? 
Do you need an $800 scope or can it be done with a Saleae logic analyzer or BusPirate?
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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2013, 01:57:19 am »
I have seen you analyze serial communications (I2C, SPI, RS232) in different videos.  This is the first time I notice USB.

What is necessary to do USB traffic analysis? 
Do you need an $800 scope or can it be done with a Saleae logic analyzer or BusPirate?

Something tells me you can't debug something that works at the same speed your (memory-less) debugger communicates with its host.
 

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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2013, 02:34:05 am »
Something tells me you can't debug something that works at the same speed your (memory-less) debugger communicates with its host.
It should be within reason to sniff USB 1 with Saleae. Saleae continuously reads the bus at 24 MHz, which exactly twice the USB 1 (full bandwidth) signal rate. On the other hand, sniffing USB 1 may not be all that useful in this day and age, unless maybe you're developing another USB bitbang implementation from scratch.
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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2013, 02:43:57 am »
Damn you Dave, now I've got one more item to drool over while clutching my empty wallet.  ::)
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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2013, 02:44:58 am »
Dave, is there any way you can request some low end <$1000 oscilloscopes and make an Oscilloscope shootout video in the future? Maybe for the 500th video?  :-

Sure, but then people would complain I'm not comparing $400 scopes, or $600 scope, or $800 scopes  ::)
 

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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2013, 02:47:56 am »
One advantage of the DS1052 if you don't have a dedicated lab is the small size. You can easily tuck it away on a shelf when you are not using it.
Speaking of which, I don't I recall that Dave gave them a good side/top view so you can judge the depth better.

I forgot to mention that. They are essentially the same depth.
 

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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2013, 02:55:25 am »
Something very important for me is the screen brightness. The room where my lab is has a huge 3mx1.2m window pointing to the west. From 4 to 6 I think you could sunbathe if you leave the windows open. Screens look all dim except for LCDs.
 

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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2013, 03:00:16 am »
Something very important for me is the screen brightness. The room where my lab is has a huge 3mx1.2m window pointing to the west. From 4 to 6 I think you could sunbathe if you leave the windows open. Screens look all dim except for LCDs.

I find the DS2000 screen a little annoyingly dim.
 

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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2013, 03:03:29 am »
Something very important for me is the screen brightness. The room where my lab is has a huge 3mx1.2m window pointing to the west. From 4 to 6 I think you could sunbathe if you leave the windows open. Screens look all dim except for LCDs.

When recently faced with a similar problem I found a very effective solution in window blinds. They can block as much light as you need.
 

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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2013, 04:11:14 am »
That is a bit of a bummer as the DS1052E is essentially discontinued and the DS1102E is available at more or less the same price (unless you got a close-out deal on the 1052).

But don't worry about it, the 1052 is still the nice scope it was when it was first introduced, and the 2072 costs way more as well as being much bigger and more complicated to operate.

Eh, I got a bonus at work and ended up buying the scope for $314 shipped directly from Rigol NA.  I thought that was a great price.  It is working great for poking around my circuits and learning what I'm doing. 
 

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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2013, 05:30:17 am »
Wonderful! i have an old 25mhz DSO owon i have been meaning to upgrade!

also no one i know has even heard of owon XP
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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2013, 07:04:11 am »
Eh, I got a bonus at work and ended up buying the scope for $314 shipped directly from Rigol NA.  I thought that was a great price.  It is working great for poking around my circuits and learning what I'm doing.

true but a better price would have been 314.15
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Re: EEVblog #451 - Rigol DS1052E vs DS2072 Oscilloscope
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2013, 09:00:04 am »
When you compare the Rigol ones to the Tektronix ones, then i wonder how Tektronix can survive like this.
Compare the Rigol DS2072 with the Tek TDS2002C, the Tek is $1080 while the Rigol is $839.
The Tek only has a little display and 2.5K memory while the 14M of the Rigol sound much more serious.

Comparing  the 4000 series Rigol scopes with the Tek ones gets even worse. There you have a difference from $3800 for the Rigol and about $7000 for the Tek ones.

Its pretty scary how this development is going....
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