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Title: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: EEVblog on July 17, 2013, 12:35:02 am
Inside the worlds first Digital SLR camera with rear LCD and inbuilt JPEG processing, the 1998 vintage Kodak DCS315, based on the Nikon Pronea 6i film SLR camera body.
This was before Canon and Nikon had released their own DSLR camera technology, when Kodak ruled the digital camera world!

History of Kodak DSLRs: http://www.nikonweb.com/files/DCS_Story.pdf (http://www.nikonweb.com/files/DCS_Story.pdf)
Users Manual: ftp://ftp.kodak.com/web/service/manuals/dcs/6b0935.pdf (http://ftp://ftp.kodak.com/web/service/manuals/dcs/6b0935.pdf)
Datasheets:
http://doc.chipfind.ru/pdf/idt/70v06.pdf (http://doc.chipfind.ru/pdf/idt/70v06.pdf)
http://doc.chipfind.ru/pdf/idt/72v81.pdf (http://doc.chipfind.ru/pdf/idt/72v81.pdf)
http://vader.ece.ucsb.edu/plogicpci/pdf/MACH4A.pdf (http://vader.ece.ucsb.edu/plogicpci/pdf/MACH4A.pdf)
http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX533.pdf (http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX533.pdf)
http://www.ti.com.cn/cn/lit/ds/symlink/tsb11lv01.pdf (http://www.ti.com.cn/cn/lit/ds/symlink/tsb11lv01.pdf)
http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets/restul/499485_DS.pdf (http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets/restul/499485_DS.pdf)
http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets_obsolete/1141496AD9801.pdf (http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets_obsolete/1141496AD9801.pdf)
http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheet/analogdevices/AD9803JST.pdf (http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheet/analogdevices/AD9803JST.pdf)

Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eevblog/sets/72157634674265420/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/eevblog/sets/72157634674265420/)

EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ99FcoPTU0#ws)
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: richcj10 on July 17, 2013, 01:15:11 am
battery batup... lol  ::)
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: EEVblog on July 17, 2013, 01:30:54 am
battery batup... lol  ::)

Did I say that?  :-[
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: MrAureliusR on July 17, 2013, 02:40:36 am
It seems you have a pretty difficult time reading the chip numbers through the camcorder LCD eh? Don't blame you -- I know how difficult it is! I'm amazed you can solder while looking at the LCD. You've got almost no depth perception when you do something like that through a camera!

Thanks for another cool video :)
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: EEVblog on July 17, 2013, 02:43:44 am
It seems you have a pretty difficult time reading the chip numbers through the camcorder LCD eh? Don't blame you -- I know how difficult it is! I'm amazed you can solder while looking at the LCD. You've got almost no depth perception when you do something like that through a camera!

Yes, it's not easy even though it's a 900K+ pixel 3" LCD. I sometimes have to look over the top of the camera while talking.
I miss a lot of stuff that is obvious to people watching the video in HD.
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: The_Penguin on July 17, 2013, 02:46:39 am
Those screwed-down flat-flex connections are the most bizarre thing I've seen in a while.
Can you imagine sitting down and figuring out that you needed to do that?   :o

Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: richcj10 on July 17, 2013, 02:50:47 am
battery batup... lol  ::)

Did I say that?  :-[

you fixed yourself...its just funny.....
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: EEVblog on July 17, 2013, 02:59:26 am
Those screwed-down flat-flex connections are the most bizarre thing I've seen in a while.
Can you imagine sitting down and figuring out that you needed to do that?   :o

Yes. At what point in the design process do you go from thinking that a few complete right angle flex cables would do the job, to some convoluted multi level contact scheme with clamps?  :-//
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: MrAureliusR on July 17, 2013, 03:05:56 am
The point in the design where the engineers are sick of being micro managed so they throw a curveball back at management ;)
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: Rasz on July 17, 2013, 03:30:29 am
It seems you have a pretty difficult time reading the chip numbers through the camcorder LCD eh? Don't blame you -- I know how difficult it is! I'm amazed you can solder while looking at the LCD. You've got almost no depth perception when you do something like that through a camera!

Yes, it's not easy even though it's a 900K+ pixel 3" LCD. I sometimes have to look over the top of the camera while talking.
I miss a lot of stuff that is obvious to people watching the video in HD.

maybe hang 32' TV on the wall in front of you and connect it to the camera, would that make your life easier?
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: EEVblog on July 17, 2013, 03:31:45 am
The point in the design where the engineers are sick of being micro managed so they throw a curveball back at management ;)

Yes, that must be it!
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: steve30 on July 17, 2013, 05:43:07 am
Any plans to try and get the camera to work or find out what's wrong with it?

Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: firewalker on July 17, 2013, 08:59:03 am
I you remove that alen screw it will fall apart in halves?

(http://i.imgur.com/Xx5yuWx.png)

Alexander.
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: robbak on July 17, 2013, 10:02:57 am
Those screwed-down flat-flex connections are the most bizarre thing I've seen in a while.
Can you imagine sitting down and figuring out that you needed to do that?   :o

Yes. At what point in the design process do you go from thinking that a few complete right angle flex cables would do the job, to some convoluted multi level contact scheme with clamps?  :-//

I assumed that the contact mechanism was the connector to the back panel of the original camera. Even then they are still strange connectors. Maybe some of them are motor connectors? Rotation/position sensors?

Weird, that is for sure. The LCD window lower down is the standard LCD on the film camera. Love to see a teardown of the film camera.
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: Hypernova on July 17, 2013, 04:33:55 pm
That is one insane franken camera. Wonder how many they sold?
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: ttp on July 18, 2013, 01:53:09 am
Those screwed-down flat-flex connections are the most bizarre thing I've seen in a while.
Can you imagine sitting down and figuring out that you needed to do that?   :o

Probably from original Nikon Pronea 600i, look a bit like for rotary dials/switches on the back of camera or sensors.
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: ptricks on July 18, 2013, 02:12:58 am
I am curious to see what kind of lighting they use for the LCD. I have a Casio QV-770 camera, really old, 640x480 max resolution, 4MB storage, no card slots, serial port used for download via a 1/8 audio style jack.  They use a custom fluorescent tube , it is white and square the size of the LCD and about 3mm thick with a small glass pipe on the side for the electrode wires, never seen anything like it.

I plan to post photos of the tear down when I get time.
wow the casio is 15 years old, must have been one of the first.
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: SeanB on July 18, 2013, 05:31:09 pm
For that I would guess a panaplex tube, it was a flat panel discharge lamp with a discharge confined to a channel by dimples in the glass backing, and front phosphored. Originally developed as a flat lighting panel to replace a standard cieling tile with a diffuse light source, but never was popular due to the high cost of making them. A small rectangular one though would be a good light source ( in the days before they got a good way to make a diffuser that would provide even illumination from a line source at the one edge) for such a display.
Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: Moshly on July 19, 2013, 08:09:25 am
Hey Dave

That PCMCIA socket is easy to remove, no soldering required.
It's a socket in a socket, very common on notebook computers.

Just remove the 4 screws & splay the black clips  ;)

Title: Re: EEVblog #495 - Kodak DCS315 DSLR Teardown
Post by: Garywoo on October 16, 2013, 06:13:09 am
I you remove that alen screw it will fall apart in halves?

(http://i.imgur.com/Xx5yuWx.png)

Alexander.

I was dying for him to unscrew that, it appears to be the original host camera tripod mount screw.