EEVblog #684 - Ness SMT Maufacturing & Assembly Factory Tour

[RobertoLG]

Have you updated the video on youtube in any way? When I watched it the first time there was no motion blur. There was severe and very unpleasant juddering. When I tried again just now, on the same PC, using all the same software, I see a fairly benign blur as you move around. This is very acceptable.

Yes, I have uploaded the 50fps version of the video and now linked that in.
It's very interesting that perhaps there might be a difference here in the way youtube processed and/or delivers this video.
The only difference at my end is that the original 50fps was rendered in 25fps just the same as all my videos, and that originally uploaded 25fps version looks fine on my local PC.
It also looked fine to me on youtube too.
 

For those interested:
25fps:


50fps:

That wasn't necessary(in my opinion), but thanks for the effort anyway

[BillyD]

Really enjoyed the video. I think the content and dialog absolutely trumped any visual issues.

Couldn't help laughing at the mysterious bloke in the blue shirt though, constantly lurking around and trying to duck out of sight. All he was missing was the shades and earpiece!

[JackOfVA]

Nicely done walk through and I enjoyed it a great deal.

The few video hiccups did not at all detract from the content.

Excellent job!

[ozwolf]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the video and the effort you put into all your work.

I couldn't wait to get home last night, and watch the video.  Sat in the living room, watched on big screen TV, via Apple TV.  Nothing wrong with the quality and content.  Even my wife sat down and watched parts of it (while making dinner).

Great effort on your part and kudos to Ness for being a successful manufacturer here in Australia.  Just goes to show, if you want the job done right, you usually need to do it yourself.

Looking forward to your next video.

Ozwolf

[encryptededdy]

The 50fps video is noticeable smoother when set to 1080p50 mode, however I don't think it's super necessary.

I would like to watch future videos in 50fps, as it is notability smoother, however they don't add anything hugely significant to the video, unlike Dave switching from a crappy webcam to a proper camera.

[EEVblog]

That wasn't necessary(in my opinion), but thanks for the effort anyway

Well, I was curious to test if youtube was doing something screwy.
BTW, shooting and processing 50 or 60fps video is not my usual workflow, and Sony Movie Studio doesn't actually let me output 50 or 60fps in my usual intermediate format I use for all my other videos, so I am forced to use the Sony AVC codec. Almost all of my videos are shot at 25fps.

[EEVblog]

The 50fps video is noticeable smoother when set to 1080p50 mode, however I don't think it's super necessary.

People talk about seeing this 50fps option in Youtube, but I don't see it? 

[EEVblog]

And as an added bonus some long needed moderation has occurred.

Yes, Bored@Work has been sent to the sin bin for a week.

[gxti]

That little extending conveyor bridge is cute. I guess having to walk all the way around the line to load parts into the back of a PnP would get old really fast.

[KNA]

The 50fps video is noticeable smoother when set to 1080p50 mode, however I don't think it's super necessary.

People talk about seeing this 50fps option in Youtube, but I don't see it? 

Screen cap on my average adsl in Vic



High quality content that was immersive and flowed naturally, as if we were there ourselves. Nice job!

[sweesiong78]

The 50fps video is noticeable smoother when set to 1080p50 mode, however I don't think it's super necessary.

People talk about seeing this 50fps option in Youtube, but I don't see it? 

I like to add another datapoint, I have watched the  original 720p 25fps video from start to finish (because the content was so interesting) and rewatched it in 50fps, I can definitely see an improvement in terms of viewing comfort in 50fps whenever the camera pans quickly. Also this might be pyschological but the 50fps looks a little 'sharper'.

[EEVblog]

That little extending conveyor bridge is cute. I guess having to walk all the way around the line to load parts into the back of a PnP would get old really fast.

I worked in a factory that manufactured 150m long streamers, so the benches (8 of them) were about 160m long. No breaks in the benches, you had to walk around (or crawl under on the oil filled floor dodging all the paraphernalia if desperate). You'd walk 10's of km per day no problem.

[bookaboo]

Really enjoyed this video, good to see home grown manufacturing. As the point was made in the video there's no reason why the electronics industry needs to be so heavily outsourced given the higher and higher level of automation.

As for the nits complaining about the video quality it all seemed perfectly fine to me 

[SNGLinks]

Couldn't help laughing at the mysterious bloke in the blue shirt though, constantly lurking around and trying to duck out of sight. All he was missing was the shades and earpiece!

Maybe he was from the press office making sure nothing was said that shouldn't been said.

[rs20]

Just another data point -- on my machine, the 50fps is really noticeably smoother and more life-like. (Really reminded my of a computer game, which makes sense I suppose.) Really very, very nice to watch and stands out from the rest of YouTube.

However, if it takes any extra effort and means Dave has less spare time or we miss out on content, I'd vote to stick with the traditional, as nice as 50fps. This channel is all about content and information, not eye candy -- so I'm all for the eye candy, unless it is to the detriment of the quality content (or Dave's patience).

In other words, "Me too!"

[SteveyG]

I do wish Dave would just let the guy talk in this video without trying to butt in all the time or repeating what he's saying 

[rs20]

I do wish Dave would just let the guy talk in this video without trying to butt in all the time or repeating what he's saying 

Respectfully disagree. I didn't feel that I was missing out on any interesting info; and on the flip side he asked some very good questions that produced very interesting answers. The interviewer does have to ask questions to ask good questions :-). But hey, subjective.

[SgtRock]

Greetings EEVBees:

--Mr. Jones is not a potted plant or a mere a camera platform. Long deep experience in precisely the subject being discussed, allows him to guide the conversation in a meaningful way. You will notice that the questions are rapid fire, unobtrusive and extremely well received. Just turning on the camera and sitting back would have produced a much inferior interview. As it was, we see that interviewer and interviewee are almost in a Vulcan Mind Meld, and finishing each others sentences, hence the high information density of this particular video.

--To change the subject slightly, I noticed the ever trusty Hakko 936s and 888s, hotted up and at the ready for spot repairs. I also noticed that the operator of the PCB parting blades donned a pair of metal fiber gloves before proceeding, and I was wondering just how effective these gloves would be a preventing amputations. It then occurred to me that if the upper and lower blades of the parting machine were electrically isolated from each other, and a DC potential introduced, rotation of the parting blades could be stopped whenever they are shorted, say by the metal fibers in the gloves, so as to lessen injury.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
Eric Arthur Blair - George Orwell 1903 -1950

Best Regards
Clear Ether

[SteveyG]

I do wish Dave would just let the guy talk in this video without trying to butt in all the time or repeating what he's saying 

Respectfully disagree. I didn't feel that I was missing out on any interesting info; and on the flip side he asked some very good questions that produced very interesting answers. The interviewer does have to ask questions to ask good questions :-). But hey, subjective.

True, but he's cutting him off mid flow or trying to finish his sentences at times, or even just repeating a bit of what he said. Also just breaking the flow, which you could see in his facial expressions he was starting to get annoyed at a few points.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be asking questions, but you could tell the guy was trying to give us some background rather than just pointing out objects.

[delmadord]

I just watched the video and found out there is absolutely no video problems, great work!

[bitwelder]

I also enjoyed watching the video, very interesting subject. No complains about the format.
Thumbs up to the CEO, for his openness in showing their plant and process.

And.. maybe it's only my impression, but he seemed almost surprised that Dave was able to ask a few 'good questions' 

[coppice]

And.. maybe it's only my impression, but he seemed almost surprised that Dave was able to ask a few 'good questions' 

Maybe he's interviewed by too many journalists. 

[robrenz]

Greetings EEVBees:

I also noticed that the operator of the PCB parting blades donned a pair of metal fiber gloves before proceeding, and I was wondering just how effective these gloves would be a preventing amputations.

There were stationary guide blades in front of and behind the rotating blades to prevent anything larger that the board thickness from getting into the pinch area.

[German_EE]

No video quality problems, interesting factory tour, no problems with the work of Mr Jones, and if I wanted some PCB assembly work doing I would use these guys in a heartbeat.

[Excavatoree]

Really enjoyed the video. I think the content and dialog absolutely trumped any visual issues.

Couldn't help laughing at the mysterious bloke in the blue shirt though, constantly lurking around and trying to duck out of sight. All he was missing was the shades and earpiece!

Poor guy!  He's trying to get his work done and there's this camera all over the place, always where he needs to go!! LOL