Author Topic: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary  (Read 34162 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online EEVblog

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 26824
  • Country: au
    • EEVblog
EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« on: January 15, 2015, 10:40:16 am »
Dave reviews the new Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope.
Is this US$399 marvel really the best value budget oscilloscope on the market?
This is a summary video, be sure to watch all the other videos on this scope:
Full features review:
Teardown:
Jitter Problem:
Jitter Problem Fix:
Reverse Engineering:

 

Offline kjn4685

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 154
  • Country: us
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2015, 11:15:17 am »
Dave I what to tell you thank you very much for your teardown and reviews. I am going to try to talk my wife into getting this scope for me. I hope!
 

Offline Dinsdale

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 77
  • Country: us
    • pretzelogic
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2015, 12:40:03 pm »
I was in the middle of getting an SPI bus up (PIC to M95512) using my Tek 465 when the vertical finally gave it up. So I got this scope. Found my problem straight off the bat with SPI decoding. Outstanding.
I bought my 465 in 1997. It's been a great workhorse. That was entry level for me. It was $1000.00. The 1054 was $413 delivered. That's $283 in 1997 money. This is entry level today? No one has any room to complain about anything on this scope. It's just amazing.
Enjoyed the review, Dave, super job and very useful.
This can't be happening.
 

Offline iankellogg

  • Newbie
  • Posts: 4
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2015, 12:50:16 pm »
So this scope seems really really amazing for $400 so I would love to know, what makes the $800 DS2000 better, or say the $3000 agilent X3000? When does those scopes become worth it?
 

Offline ivan747

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 2010
  • Country: do
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2015, 01:34:12 pm »
Woooow Dave! Two simultaneous episodes!  :) Thank you!  :clap:
Nothing like the smell of rosin core solder in the morning.
"Could you not use some of that crowdfunded $1.5 million to hire a graphic designer who understands perspective?" -Delta
"A soldering station I bought once had a sticker on it that said, I shit you not, 'QENUINE'." -c4757p
 

Offline DIPLover

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 122
  • Country: ca
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2015, 01:39:06 pm »
So this scope seems really really amazing for $400 so I would love to know, what makes the $800 DS2000 better, or say the $3000 agilent X3000? When does those scopes become worth it?

I will consider the case of hacked DS2000A vs hacked DS1054Z as this is "what's inside the box" you buy.

1. Bandwidth : DS2000A has 300MHz bandwidth vs 100MHz
2. Sampling : DS2000A has 2GS/s vs 1GS/s
3. Channels : DS2000A has 2 channels plus a dedicated EXT Trig input, that can be used for the hardware counter and some other stuff. DS1054Z has 4 full channels and no EXT Trig input, that will cost you a channel. 1054Z wins hands-down here.
4. Probes : DS2000A includes 2x RP3300 300MHz passive probes. DS1054Z includes 4x RP2200 150MHz probes. 300MHz probes are usually quite expensive.
5. Display : DS2000A has 8-inch screen with 800x480 resolution and 116dpi. DS1000Z has 7in screen with 800x480 resolution it is sharper at 133dpi but everything (fonts mainly) is a bit smaller. Still a HUGE screen for an entry scope.
6. Decoding : Serial options are the same. Protocols using more than 2 wires (some SPI mainly) are obviously only possible on DS1000Z so it wins here if you use them.
7. Triggers : DS2000 has USB, CAN and Video trigger on top of the very complete set present on the DS1000z.
8. Memory : DS2000 has 56Mpts vs 24 (both are HUGE, I have no use case where 56M would make a difference vs 24 for a single channel but more is more I guess)
9. Hardware : From the teardowns, the DS2000 has 2 FPGAs whereas the DS1000Z has only one.
10. Update : The DS2000 has a faster maximum update rate (50k waveforms per second peak vs 30k).
11. Performance : DS2000 maintains a faster update rate under heavier use
12. Small signal : DS2000 has a working 500uV per div vertical setting
13. DS2000 can show 14 divisions horizontal on the screen (the menus hide) vs 12 divisions. 10 divs was standard for 30 years.
14. DS2000A has a switchable 50ohm input mode
15. DS2000 has 256 levels "digital phosphor" intensity graded display vs 64 levels (still awesome!)

More/better physical controls on the DS2000
  -segmented memory controls
  -separate vertical controls
  -large knob for fast navigation
  -7 soft buttons on each side of screen vs 6 on DS1000Z

DS2000A is a better scope generally, but DS1000Z is AMAZING for its PRICE POINT.

That is the important thing.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2015, 02:08:47 pm by DIPLover »
 
The following users thanked this post: AlanS

Offline KNA

  • Contributor
  • Posts: 7
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2015, 01:42:10 pm »
The software comedy at the end of the (Full features review) vid haha!  :-DD
« Last Edit: January 15, 2015, 01:50:08 pm by KNA »
 

Online coppice

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3657
  • Country: gb
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2015, 01:58:44 pm »
I was in the middle of getting an SPI bus up (PIC to M95512) using my Tek 465 when the vertical finally gave it up. So I got this scope. Found my problem straight off the bat with SPI decoding. Outstanding.
I bought my 465 in 1997. It's been a great workhorse. That was entry level for me. It was $1000.00. The 1054 was $413 delivered. That's $283 in 1997 money. This is entry level today? No one has any room to complain about anything on this scope. It's just amazing.
Enjoyed the review, Dave, super job and very useful.
How old was your 465 when you bought it in 1997?
 

Offline nixfu

  • Supporter
  • ****
  • Posts: 333
  • Country: us
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2015, 03:14:23 pm »
In the detail review video @14:35  s/DS1074z/DS2000, that can make menus disappear off screen.
 

Offline Dinsdale

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 77
  • Country: us
    • pretzelogic
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2015, 03:16:04 pm »
Quote
How old was your 465 when you bought it in 1997?

Must have been around 15yrs old. I remember that the price quoted was somewhat lower. When I got to the shop, they asked me a if I wanted calibration, so I got that. Had to leave it and come back later. It didn't have a mark on it. It also had 2 probes, 2 50ohm coax, 2 50ohm terminators, camera hood, and the manual. The main thing that made it useful for digital was the delayed timebase. I'll use the Rigol to bring it back to life (I hope).
But now with the Rigol, I will not have to write software loops or trigger pulses on an unused port pin, etc. Storage is fantastic - jitter can sometimes be intolerable towards the end of a delayed timebase trace. And 4 channels almost feels like I have a logic analyzer!
This can't be happening.
 

Offline han

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 308
  • Country: 00
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2015, 04:59:32 pm »
Did i heard Rigol 2000/3000 series in 15:10 (EEVBlog #704 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Features Review) , with Keysight/Agilent Oscilloscope?
 

Offline Solder_Junkie

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 66
  • Country: gb
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2015, 10:00:53 pm »
Great videos and very informative.

I have concerns over the accuracy of the on-screen measurements with my 1064Z, sometimes they match with what I expect and other times they don't. Not having a second scope for comparison, it's hard to say.

The frequency readout seems OK, but the amplitude doesn't always seem correct at times.

The specification shown in the manual doesn't include amplitude accuracy... A fail?

Looking forward to Dave's video covering measurements and calibration accuracy.
 

Offline Cnoob

  • Contributor
  • Posts: 27
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2015, 10:32:29 pm »
This is my first scope I have owned and I still have an analogue scope mind set.
 Dave's full review has been invaluable in helping me to get to know and understand this scope.
I don't mind the menus on the screen or the fan noise it's all the functionality of the scope that I find confusing.

I purchased this scope as a late xmas present to myself base on Dave's previous scope blogs as well as his and other forum members comments.
Many thanks guys.

 

Offline Fungus

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 8580
  • Country: 00
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2015, 12:28:51 am »
My review is much shorter:

"The 'Z' in the name? It's short for 'zilla'...."

 

Offline Dave Turner

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 434
  • Country: gb
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2015, 07:33:36 am »
Dave thank you for the review and summary - you've again helped me by pointing out even more abilities that I had not noticed. (Hardly surprising of course).

I purchased the DS1074Z-S in 2013 after discussion on this forum and, in general, am very satisfied with it.
 
I was interested to note the subtle differences and additions in the the menu system between the DS1074Z-S software version 00.02.00 SP1 and the DS1054Z software version 00.04.01.SP2. The expanded help system amongst others.

I can see from Dave's review that he has board version 0.1.1 whereas I've no idea what my board version is.

From other threads on this forum I'm aware that the jitter and AC trigger issues have been solved and that an updated software version is available.

My question for those who have implemented the updated software is whether or not it includes the menu changes/additions as well.

 

Offline Krakonos

  • Contributor
  • Posts: 13
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2015, 09:14:27 am »
Awesome. I've had DS2072 for some time now and although it's differenet in hardware, when I was watching this, I turned on my scope few times too many to check if it's included in mine. It was and I learned a LOT. Thanks you very much, sir!
 

Offline SteveyG

  • Supporter
  • ****
  • Posts: 539
  • Country: gb
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2015, 08:26:21 pm »
So is the MSO worth around double the price of this one? How many find they need analogue and logic to be captured together?

Offline nixfu

  • Supporter
  • ****
  • Posts: 333
  • Country: us
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2015, 11:12:27 pm »
So is the MSO worth around double the price of this one? How many find they need analogue and logic to be captured together?

If you don't have some extreme portability issues, it usually is better to have a separate specialized device rather than an all-in-one.  This is true for lots of classes of devices. Anytime you cram two devices together you usually have to make a whole bunch of compromizes and leave out a ton of capability.   
I
This is usually true for scopes with built in signal generators, logic analyzers, and often spectrum analyzers included in scopes as well.   
 

Online EEVblog

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 26824
  • Country: au
    • EEVblog
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2015, 11:31:04 pm »
So is the MSO worth around double the price of this one? How many find they need analogue and logic to be captured together?

On such a small and already a bit fiddly screen, no, I generally would not pay double for MSO unless you wanted the analog/digital time correlation, which granted can be handy. With 4 channels, deep memory, and serial decoding, you probably aren't going to often need a LA anyway. YMMV.
With 4 channels you can still do SPI decoding and have an analog channel left for time correlation.
 

Offline BillyD

  • Regular Contributor
  • *
  • Posts: 194
  • Country: ie
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2015, 12:36:18 am »
And the most heavily used phrase in the video is.... "399 dollars" !!
Damn right too, it's a game changer, they could have easily charged another 100.
Great review.

 

Offline dentaku

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 830
  • Country: ca
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2015, 12:53:52 am »
This must be the most thoroughly covered product in EEVBlog history.
I'm glad I didn't already buy a 1074Z because the 1054Z has everything I need for a lower price.
 

Offline Howardlong

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 4367
  • Country: gb
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2015, 02:02:25 am »
I went for the MSO1074Z-S as it's primary use is as a field scope, so when I have external technical meetings etc, I have a fair bit of test equipment already at my disposal. If you've ever been to some of the large(and not so large) R&D facilities, it's not uncommon to have to wait a day just to get a piece of equipment out of stores, so typically I take as much of my own kit as I can, within reason of course.

Worst place on earth to be without the right equipment for me was working in Svalbard trying to fix a broken coaxial power splitter on a satellite uplink antenna array. It was not the job I expected to be doing when I went there, all I'd brought was a crappy little 25W soldering iron and an Anritsu Sitemaster VNA to try to restrict baggage. Finding a soldering iron there was not easy... I learned, always be prepared.
 

Offline bitblt

  • Contributor
  • Posts: 9
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2015, 10:05:42 am »
Now that is what I consider a thorough product review (#703 + #704).  You should sell DSOs and other test equipment on HSN or something.  You would make millions!  Anyway thanks for providing an outstanding review of the Rigol DS1054Z.  I think I want to buy two of them now.   :-+
 

Offline Yago

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 651
  • Country: gb
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2015, 12:32:18 am »
If Victor Kiam was still around he'd "Buy the company"!

Still awaiting delivery, I'll be camping out behind the front door for 6 weeks, argg!
 

Offline leppie

  • Frequent Contributor
  • **
  • Posts: 269
  • Country: za
Re: EEVblog #703 - Rigol DS1054Z Oscilloscope Review Summary
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2015, 12:47:58 am »
On such a small and already a bit fiddly screen, no, I generally would not pay double for MSO unless you wanted the analog/digital time correlation, which granted can be handy. With 4 channels, deep memory, and serial decoding, you probably aren't going to often need a LA anyway. YMMV.
With 4 channels you can still do SPI decoding and have an analog channel left for time correlation.

When is the performance review video coming?

I found SPI decoding working well at 8MHz clock. Havent gone higher.

Will you test the performance of the probes too? I found them quite shitty vs my 250MHz Texas probes when I looked at a 125MHz crystal. They had about 6db loss compared to the Texas ones at that speed.
 


Share me

Digg  Facebook  SlashDot  Delicious  Technorati  Twitter  Google  Yahoo
Smf