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Re: EEVBlog #492 - Vintage Motorola MicroTAC Mobile Phone Teardown
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2013, 01:22:31 pm »
The AT28C64 is actually an 8 kiB EEPROM, probably for storing settings. The other two memories are indeed OTPROMs.
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« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2013, 03:47:18 pm »
Here is a scan of the PCB of my first mobile, datecode on the flash chip 1994. I lent it to a friend, and unfortunately he locked it accidentially. I guess if I'd tinker with the Microchip 24LC04B in the lower right corner...
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Re: EEVBlog #492 - Vintage Motorola MicroTAC Mobile Phone Teardown
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2013, 04:38:16 pm »
The filter is to keep the 2W of RF from blowing up the receive circuitry, even with a TX switch you need the directional cxoupler to reduce the power fed into the receive port to a low enough level so that the phone can receive data as soon as the TX pulse ends without the receiver being desensitised or overloaded. I had onre that was in an accident with our bike driver. He skidded along the road on it in hia pants p[ocket and aside from needing a new battery ( and new pants) it worked afterwards. The Panasonic phone he used later and did the same with was repaired, but the only parts reused were 4 screws in the case.
 

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Re: EEVBlog #492 - Vintage Motorola MicroTAC Mobile Phone Teardown
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2013, 12:43:43 am »
It is fascinating how much electronics design changed. Nowadays you can have more advanced and simplistic designs due to integration.

I wonder if the charger is linear or switching was commons back then.
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« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2013, 07:23:05 am »
Very interesting teardown, needless to say!  :-+

I wonder how much did that phone cost back in 1994. Anyone has an idea?

Price with and without accessories, of course!   :D
 

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« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2013, 08:03:19 am »
Very interesting teardown, needless to say!  :-+

I wonder how much did that phone cost back in 1994. Anyone has an idea?
Well over $1000 - in the early days, phones were heavily subsidised and tied to contracts to make them appear more affordable.
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Re: EEVBlog #492 - Vintage Motorola MicroTAC Mobile Phone Teardown
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2013, 08:51:34 am »
I was told when I got mine that the price to bu outright was over £600-00. I do remember also that apart from the monthly rental calls were charged at £0.51p per minute outgoing and ££0.35p a minute incoming, making mobile calls very expensive, at the time I found that many of my clients would not call my mobile due to costs of the call even from a landline which was also £0.50p a minute
 

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Re: EEVBlog #492 - Vintage Motorola MicroTAC Mobile Phone Teardown
« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2013, 08:57:45 am »
I have found some MicroTAC schematics over there :

http://www.hackcanada.com/blackcrawl/cell/motorola/tacschem.html

but it seems that those are for a 5000 series microTAC and Dave has a 7200 one. Some blocks are still similar, looks like a lot of integration has been done.

I don't really understand this discussion about the antenna "it's not electrically connected therefore it must be phony". Come on ! the vast majority of antennas have EM coupled parts, try to cut the metal rods on a Yaggi antenna and see if it works :) I bet the wire in the movable part is 16 cm which is half wave for GSM.
 

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Re: EEVBlog #492 - Vintage Motorola MicroTAC Mobile Phone Teardown
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2013, 11:03:37 am »
It is fascinating how much electronics design changed. Nowadays you can have more advanced and simplistic designs due to integration.

I wonder if the charger is linear or switching was commons back then.
For comparison here's what's inside a very basic GSM phone (yet still more featured), 19 years later: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3040

Linear was definitely more common back then.
 

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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2013, 04:07:43 pm »
It's not so much the extra integration that's the real stunner, it's the number of functional analogue and digital blocks that have been subsumed into DSP - leaving Moto's advantage of making all the chips as useful as Mullard's expertise in vavles.

The only reason I've got a Rigol scope and a Rigol spectrum analyser is that it would be commercial madness for Rigol to put both in one box. The engineering to do it and come in well under the combined cost of the two units isn't the problem. (That FFT function on the scope hasn't got a lot better, has it? Wonder why...)

At some point, your 500 MHz quad-input scope-cum-SA will be just another app you download over your millimetric-wave pervasive infrastructure wireless broadband - as an exercise in nostalgia...
 

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« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2013, 12:05:03 pm »
That antenna did indeed provide an ounce of extra signal once extended. You could notice the call quality if you were in a fringe area and had the antenna down. Also if you had the antenna extended on the table the phone would have more chance of receiving a call rather than diverting to message bank.

After many uses, eventually the grip that holds the antenna up starts to fail and anyone who owned this phone will remember how you had to hold the phone in such a way to press at the bottom of the antenna to make it stay up.

Annoying.

The bottom connector is for the feature kits you could buy. Toward the end of it's life, my one got so expensive to replace batteries and since it was only used (and would only work) in the car, I bought what was called a battery eliminator. Plugged straight into the cig lighter.

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Re: EEVBlog #492 - Vintage Motorola MicroTAC Mobile Phone Teardown
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2013, 04:10:32 pm »
I modified one to use as an alarm dialler. Just powered it from a car charger without the battery and left the flip open and simply connected the signal via a relay and a pulse generator ( one capacitor in series with the coil) to press the call button, with the last dialled number being mine. Would check once a week or so ( on the way out) that the display just showed the usual and not a missed call ( either another person misdialled or a robocaller going through the database) so that it was ready. Tested every so often and it worked. PAYG sim lasted about 6 months between recharging with minimum ( gotta love cell networks charging you to give them money) amount. Never had the thing go off for actual alarms, just testing.
 

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Re: EEVBlog #492 - Vintage Motorola MicroTAC Mobile Phone Teardown
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2013, 01:11:23 am »
Classic. I have a scan of a sales brochure for the 7200 with the price hand written on it: AU$999.

Based on the awesome performance of the Motorola analogue phones and the fact that the batteries and chargers were interchangeable, I bought a Motorola 6200 as my first GSM mobile phone (the 6200 was the next model down from the 7200).  It was a huge mistake.  As an earlier poster said: the early Motorola GSM phones were as deaf as a post.  The voice quality was appalling and the battery life was about eight hours - provided I didn't make or receive any calls.  The damn thing basically lived in its charger and had to be repaired under warranty several times.

I replaced it with a fantastic Nokia and have never bought another Motorola phone.
 

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Re: EEVBlog #492 - Vintage Motorola MicroTAC Mobile Phone Teardown
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2013, 10:41:00 am »
Thanks for the tear down. It's amazing how far the technology has evolved.
The 'ring tones' from the buzzer are probably limited to a few different frequencies that could be programmed from a micro controller digital output. Some attempt may have been made to tune the buzzer resonance and the acoustic volume / case plastics to maximise volume. It will sound horrible, though possibly less annoying that some of the tunes sometimes chosen.
 

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Re: EEVBlog #492 - Vintage Motorola MicroTAC Mobile Phone Teardown
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2013, 07:10:09 am »
I had the BOSCH version of this phone back then in 94 (cartel sc 2g2). It was a slightly cheaper model (without the folding flap), though these (including motorola) weren't *that* expensive in europe as far as i remember.
 

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Re: EEVBlog #492 - Vintage Motorola MicroTAC Mobile Phone Teardown
« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2013, 02:10:12 pm »
Classic. I have a scan of a sales brochure for the 7200 with the price hand written on it: AU$999.

A Danish price list from the summer of '91 lists the Micro TAC at DKK 16990 + 25% VAT. Must be the NMT version and not GSM.


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EEVBlog #492 - Vintage Motorola MicroTAC Mobile Phone Teardown
« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2013, 12:48:19 am »
Hi.  I am a newcomer to this forum, it' s great !
I have one of these Microtac 7200 phones myself, sadly is not working at all, does not power up
even with a good battery.  Not a very well made unit I must say.
I collect old mobile phones, mostly Motorola analogue mobiles.
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Re: EEVBlog #492 - Vintage Motorola MicroTAC Mobile Phone Teardown
« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2015, 12:51:59 pm »
Very interesting teardown. Loved the bond wire RF work! Thanks, Dave.
At 26:15 where we see the charger PIC, I think C24 (near baby-blue colored rectangular part) is installing incorrectly, no? I guess C24 isn't that important.
 

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Re: EEVBlog #492 - Vintage Motorola MicroTAC Mobile Phone Teardown
« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2015, 11:54:59 am »
I had this same phone in the 90s (it followed the even clunkier Tac3000 bone/handlebar model), and when I finally tore it down, I didn't have any clue about RF/HF technology. Thanks for explaining that stuff 20 years later :3
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