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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8875 on: August 01, 2017, 08:45:24 pm »
Now we know their sales figures:

Over $500k in sales.
Given that $395k came from the IGG campaign, they have only been able to achieve an extra $100k in sales. It's a flop.
You can't sustain the wages of all the top people they have with only $500k in sales.
"since it's recent introduction"? Apparently they can't hire a copyeditor either. :palm:
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8876 on: August 01, 2017, 09:32:33 pm »


Bizarre, he doesn't know what he's bought but claims to have saved $550 :wtf:.

But, according the list of backers he only paid $60.

Is he the Roohparvar's plastic surgeon?
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« Reply #8877 on: August 01, 2017, 10:17:49 pm »


Bizarre, he doesn't know what he's bought but claims to have saved $550 :wtf:.

But, according the list of backers he only paid $60.

Is he the Roohparvar's plastic surgeon?

Oops, I read that wrong, he might have plonked down $1k, but didn't.
 

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« Reply #8878 on: August 01, 2017, 10:26:15 pm »
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Oops, I read that wrong, he might have plonked down $1k, but didn't.

Me too. However, according to the backers list; jasonbmoss has actually paid $1,005
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8879 on: August 01, 2017, 11:49:09 pm »
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8880 on: August 02, 2017, 10:07:08 am »
Who wants to bet that they will post an update soon?, saying something like:

"Good news everyone! We've decided to extend the availability of the Early Bird Complete Product beyond the first 48 hours."...  ;)
 

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« Reply #8881 on: August 02, 2017, 12:46:36 pm »
OMG!  :-DD



That is a classic.

Almost worth framing.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8882 on: August 02, 2017, 01:59:29 pm »
Not suggesting any commercial relationship, but if anyone else wants to look around, Richard Tholen MD in Minnesota, is also into the VC/Angel business.
I wonder...?
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8883 on: August 03, 2017, 10:09:18 pm »
Woohoo! Next law suite will come from Sanyo/Panasonic for unauthorized use of the Eneloop brand in their marketing!
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« Reply #8884 on: August 04, 2017, 05:38:46 am »
Woohoo! Next law suite will come from Sanyo/Panasonic for unauthorized use of the Eneloop brand in their marketing!

Everyone: Drop the Eneloop / Panasonic customer service a line, asking why they endorse such a crappy product since Eneloop was affiliated with quality cells at decent prices, but now no one can be sure about the companies degree of expertise anymore.
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He’s like a trained ape. Without the training.
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8885 on: August 04, 2017, 09:14:08 am »
Done. Let's see if they are in any way interested in that.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8886 on: August 04, 2017, 07:58:14 pm »
https://www.panasonic.com/global/consumer/battery/eneloop/technologies.html
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What’s the difference between 1.5 V and 1.2 V?
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1.5 V is the nominal voltage for dry batteries, and nickel-metal hydride batteries (such as eneloop) have a nominal voltage of 1.2 V. Dry batteries have a slightly higher voltage than the actual working voltage required by the appliance. Though the nickel-metal hydride battery is 1.2 V, nickel-metal hydride batteries are able to provide similar performance to standard dry batteries. Basically, almost all appliances that require a dry battery can also use Ni-MH battery. Please be aware, though, of exceptional cases where only dry batteries can be used.

Look at Eneloops graphs :) Their 1.2V is closer from 1.5 than from 1.0V. They also cherrypick the 500mA current for the AA where the Alkaline is over the top, where the Eneloop is far from the max current. At 100-200mA discharge, the Alkaline wins with 3Ah : http://data.energizer.com/pdfs/e91.pdf

We are observers in the middle of a marketing battle beween goliath and and a very loud cockroach here :)
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8887 on: August 04, 2017, 11:18:16 pm »
At 100-200mA discharge, the Alkaline wins with 3Ah : http://data.energizer.com/pdfs/e91.pdf

The current must be below 100mA for Alkaline to win. You can compare a couple of different battery chemistries here:


For other currents see: http://lygte-info.dk/info/ComparisonOfAABatteryChemistry%20UK.html
For comparing even more batteries see: http://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/CommonAAcomparator.php
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8888 on: August 06, 2017, 08:15:20 pm »
These comments look totally legit  ::)

 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8889 on: August 06, 2017, 10:43:21 pm »
Yes, not shills at all. :clap:


Not only that but the "norouzian family" have just, apparently, bought $1500 worth of this nonsense.
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« Reply #8890 on: August 08, 2017, 08:01:54 am »
From Vahid's LinkedIn ....



Yup, deffo not a shill  :-DD
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8891 on: August 08, 2017, 12:04:49 pm »
Forgive me for not reading all 358 pages.  Just wondering how this turned out.

"With 280,000 subscribers to the EEVblog YouTube channel, Batteroo is none too pleased at the negative attention, and told Fairfax Media its legal team was "looking at" potential action against Jones."

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/batteriser-battery-life-extender-scam-or-saviour-20150915-gjmrql.html


"On the EEVblog (first video from above) after a few critical reviews of the Batteriser, with very indepth discusion and technical explanation, the Batteriser people seem to be buying DISLIKES on YouTube in an effort to discredit the EEVblog."

http://gizmodo.com/dont-buy-the-bullshit-this-indiegogo-campaign-is-sellin-1732402971

Funny how fact and truth is hard to  suppress now days.  Damned internet.

 We should start calling him Big Bad Dave.  One scary dude.  Watch his videos and tell me he doesn't seem a bit maniacal. :-DD
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8892 on: August 08, 2017, 12:19:34 pm »
These comments look totally legit  ::)

To be fair, the fake commenter was right about one thing, it will change the battery industry (albeit ever so slightly)... it'll ensure that "big battery" will sell more product because uneducated or unsuspecting people are using the batteriser and chewing through more batteries than they would without the sleeve.

Batteriser -- Helping boost big battery's profits... since 2015.   :-+
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8893 on: August 09, 2017, 09:33:41 am »
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Dear Friends,
We have some great news to share with all of our supporters! Arrow, a prestigious global $23B technology company and partner of IBM, has diligently reviewed the Batteroo ReBoost product design and campaign and verified that it is feasible for manufacturing. We are now officially arrow certified!
The good news doesn’t stop there. As many of you already know, we have launched the Batteroo ReBoost Indiegogo campaign. Batteroo ReBoost is a revolutionary new product that makes rechargeable batteries compatible with all of your devices. We are just over one week into the Batteroo ReBoost Indiegogo campaign, and have already received around 70%of our goal for the month!
We want to thank those of you who have supported us during this first exciting week! To encourage those who may not have gotten around to supporting us, or even those who have and want more, we have created a special deal, just for you:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/2167828/x/17008525?secret_perk_token=07a22e18
We want to make this project a huge success and go above and beyond our campaign goal, but we need your help! Thank you.
Click here to support us. 
https://igg.me/at/batterooreboost

But there's more! Since we started, we have been getting a lot of press coverage from great organizations such as prnewswire, Thestreet, bizjournals, elektormagazine, Gadgetsin, broadwayworld and many others. You can see an example of one of the articles below.
https://www.thestreet.com/story/14258856/1/batteroo-brings-revolutionary-technology-to-the-rechargeable-battery-market-with-batteroo-reboost.html
 
Sincerely,
The Batteroo Team
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8894 on: August 09, 2017, 10:51:55 am »
Oh, my!

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8895 on: August 09, 2017, 12:15:35 pm »
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Most devices aren't designed to work with rechargeable batteries; using them together damages the battery, and can even damage the device.

Ye gads!  I never knew!  I thought that there was perhaps a single digit percentage of (mainly old) devices that wouldn't work well with rechargeables, but now I know the truth! 
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8896 on: August 09, 2017, 12:33:03 pm »
20X brighter laser pointer?  Weapons grade?

Indiegogo says making false claims aren't allowed.  I'd bet a couple dozen links to test results would get them to shut this down.  Right?   ::)

And their graphs at the bottom?  I'd love to see the data they used for those.  Of course when marketing does the research.....
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« Reply #8897 on: August 09, 2017, 01:08:02 pm »
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Most devices aren't designed to work with rechargeable batteries; using them together damages the battery, and can even damage the device.

Ye gads!  I never knew!  I thought that there was perhaps a single digit percentage of (mainly old) devices that wouldn't work well with rechargeables, but now I know the truth!
I just love how they show leaking alkaline batteries when they say that in the video.
I'm going to throw out all 40 of my Eneloop batteries, now I know the truth also and they must be talking about Eneloop batteries since they show them in the video. I didn't know these are the rechargeable stuff that damage things.
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« Reply #8898 on: August 09, 2017, 02:32:48 pm »
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.... and verified that it is feasible for manufacturing.

As if there was any doubt a device could be made.  We will even give it credit for being able to do something.

There are, really, only two questions: Whether that "something" is worth doing - and - whether it will live up to the Marketing.


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We are now officially arrow certified!
Seems a shame how they approached a $23B company - and only got certified by a pointy stick with feathers on the end.

Sometimes a capital letter changes the whole meaning.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8899 on: August 09, 2017, 06:59:38 pm »
Woohoo! Next law suite will come from Sanyo/Panasonic for unauthorized use of the Eneloop brand in their marketing!

Everyone: Drop the Eneloop / Panasonic customer service a line, asking why they endorse such a crappy product since Eneloop was affiliated with quality cells at decent prices, but now no one can be sure about the companies degree of expertise anymore.
 :box:
Sadly, Big NiMh doesn't give a poop about you small customer. I wrote them two times, didn't get any answer from their "24 h support".
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