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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8900 on: August 09, 2017, 07:28:00 pm »
Woohoo! Next law suite will come from Sanyo/Panasonic for unauthorized use of the Eneloop brand in their marketing!

Everyone: Drop the Eneloop / Panasonic customer service a line, asking why they endorse such a crappy product since Eneloop was affiliated with quality cells at decent prices, but now no one can be sure about the companies degree of expertise anymore.
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Sadly, Big NiMh doesn't give a poop about you small customer. I wrote them two times, didn't get any answer from their "24 h support".
It might not be that they don't care about the small customer, but they don't care about NiMH anymore.
Is NiMH the future, no. When is the last time you bought something that takes batteries and didn't come with a rechargeable Li-Ion or Li-Po mix type of battery already installed. Unless it's a kids toy, or a remote control for something like a TV that doesn't need new batteries but once a year then most things already come with rechargeable batteries. And they are not NiMH batteries anymore.
The more I think about it, the more I don't think Eneloop will care if some other company tries to make claims to improve a rechargeable technology that's on its way out.
In fact the only thing in the house besides remotes taking AA batteries is smoke detectors with 9V and my multimeters. But then again I don't have kids living in higher house anymore.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8901 on: August 09, 2017, 08:43:40 pm »
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we have been getting a lot of press coverage from great organizations such as...   elektormagazine

He obviously doesn't speak German, because their article wasn't exactly singing praise for them or their device:
https://www.elektormagazine.de/news/batteroo-reboost-akku-batterie-wandler

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8902 on: August 09, 2017, 10:20:22 pm »
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Most devices aren't designed to work with rechargeable batteries; using them together damages the battery, and can even damage the device.

Ye gads!  I never knew!  I thought that there was perhaps a single digit percentage of (mainly old) devices that wouldn't work well with rechargeables, but now I know the truth!

I have at least 2 brand new devices in the house that are crap with nimh and only perform properly with alkalines. That drives me nuts, but it is what it is and I can't return them so these sleeves would actually serve me a useful purpose.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8903 on: August 09, 2017, 11:17:39 pm »
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we have been getting a lot of press coverage from great organizations such as...   elektormagazine

He obviously doesn't speak German, because their article wasn't exactly singing praise for them or their device:
https://www.elektormagazine.de/news/batteroo-reboost-akku-batterie-wandler

McBryce.
BUT they don't look at it too critical either. I find it rather sad what has became of elektor...
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8904 on: August 10, 2017, 05:08:15 am »
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we have been getting a lot of press coverage from great organizations such as...   elektormagazine

He obviously doesn't speak German, because their article wasn't exactly singing praise for them or their device:
https://www.elektormagazine.de/news/batteroo-reboost-akku-batterie-wandler

McBryce.
BUT they don't look at it too critical either. I find it rather sad what has became of elektor...

Fully agree. Elektor is a disgrace compared to what it once was.

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8905 on: August 10, 2017, 08:36:12 am »
I hated it when elector stopped using TUN and TUP etc.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8906 on: August 10, 2017, 11:17:51 pm »
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we have been getting a lot of press coverage from great organizations such as...   elektormagazine

He obviously doesn't speak German, because their article wasn't exactly singing praise for them or their device:
https://www.elektormagazine.de/news/batteroo-reboost-akku-batterie-wandler

McBryce.

And he obviously doesn't speak English either :-)
https://www.elektormagazine.com/news/batteroo-reboost-gives-a-ni-mh-cell-a-voltage-hike
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8907 on: August 11, 2017, 12:37:41 am »
https://www.elektormagazine.com/news/batteroo-reboost-gives-a-ni-mh-cell-a-voltage-hike

Elektor calls it an "interesting project" signaled red within the second paragraph. In todays day and age that is all the information 80% of the people opening the article will remember. Since Elektor is from my home town Aachen and my father used to collect all their magazines in the 70s/80s, I personally feel at least a little insulted by that article.
Reviews of technical stuff should always be more on the scientific and critical side in my opinion.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8908 on: August 11, 2017, 08:35:48 am »
Elektor is Dutch (Elektuur). Based in the south of the country. There seems to be a branch in Aachen, but i cannot imagine it is a big operation. Certainly in the past, most development was in NL. They used to be in Beek, i visited them a few times long ago to collect some bare pcb's. Don't read it anymore these days.

Lol, they moved again leaving the castle in Limbricht. Going to Aachen. So you are right, but only since June this year :P
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8909 on: August 11, 2017, 11:30:03 am »
Elektor is Dutch (Elektuur). Based in the south of the country. There seems to be a branch in Aachen, but i cannot imagine it is a big operation. Certainly in the past, most development was in NL. They used to be in Beek, i visited them a few times long ago to collect some bare pcb's. Don't read it anymore these days.

Lol, they moved again leaving the castle in Limbricht. Going to Aachen. So you are right, but only since June this year :P

Yah, when Elektor was a significant force in electronics publishing they were steadfastly Dutch. I had some correspondence with them back in the 80's and that was all conducted with the Netherlands.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8910 on: August 11, 2017, 06:18:30 pm »
Are we talking about the same Elektor magazine? Elektor-Verlag GmbH has been residing in Aachen since 1970 (first years in Gangelt some km away from Aachen). They have been publishing the german issue ever since.

Edit: As it seems Elektor-Verlag is a 100% daughter company of Elektor International Media (NL). So that is where the confusion comes from xD
« Last Edit: August 11, 2017, 06:20:55 pm by frozenfrogz »
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8911 on: August 11, 2017, 06:28:36 pm »
The "Mother company" is Elektor International Media and was founded in the Netherlands in 1960. Elektor Verlag GmbH was set up in Germany in 1970 for the German language version. The first english versions didn't come until 1975.
But the most important milestone for me came around 2010 when it started going rapidly downhill in both content and quality and they seem to find new ways of getting worse every year.

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8912 on: August 11, 2017, 07:07:22 pm »
OT: Need to dig up the old Elektor issues from my dads attic. I can remember a lot of synth related schematics, vocoders and other modular effects...
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8913 on: August 11, 2017, 09:56:00 pm »
Hi group,

Some more dodgy maths from the ReBoost Indiegogo campaign.

They claim that they are 78% funded with 20 days to go:



But, if I add up all the perks that they have sold, August 11th. 2017:



I only get $10,290.00  :-//

There are a total of 161 perks, but there are supposed to be 357 backers, some are private.



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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8914 on: August 12, 2017, 12:59:33 am »
I never used Indigogo, only kickstarter, but i see a few possibilities for these numbers to be real:
- IGG seems to have no 1$-Tier, but you seem to be able to pledge any amount without chosing a reward
- possibly shipping cost (not included in your numbers) are counted towards the funding goal
- maybe the possibility to pay a higher amount than necessary for your tier (possible with kickstarter, not sure for IGG)

Still leaves me wondering why almost 200 backers pledge without chosing a tier. Maybe to get access to backer-only-updates, being able to comment and get notifications about the project (at least this are reasens why you would back 1$ on kickstarter).
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8915 on: August 12, 2017, 01:30:10 am »
They claim that they are 78% funded with 20 days to go:

I only get $10,290.00  :-//

% ages and figures have never been batteroo's strong points, might as well just round it up to 800%.  :)
« Last Edit: August 12, 2017, 01:32:13 am by StillTrying »
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8916 on: August 12, 2017, 01:31:37 am »
You would need to look into the list of backers to see the actual amount pledged. However, you have the option to not post the amount and keep that »private«.
You are able to pledge any amount you like.
Usual practice would be to have friends of you "invest" into your idea to push the goal. This is not illegal to the terms of Indiegogo or any other platform since these get their share on the amount of money pledged in total. You can even pledge on your own campaign. If you chip in from your own pocket that is very welcome on behalf of the crowdfunding platform...
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8917 on: August 12, 2017, 11:41:41 pm »
There are a total of 161 perks, but there are supposed to be 357 backers, some are private.

IGG allow creators to hide pledge levels (e.g. early bird once all taken) and also have secret perks (see link in Daves earlier post).
This explains the total amount and backer numbers not matching, but unfortunately means you can't see all the perk quantites like on KS, and it makes it very difficult to check campaigns for dodgy pledge behaviour.  If the backer number was closer to your calculated total, then that would have definitely indicated some suspiciously large pledges.
IGG do show a little more info on individual backers and their pledge amounts, except when private option is selected.
KS used to show the full backer list if you kept clicking for more (without amounts), but now they only show a community summary (by country/city) and a small sample.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8918 on: August 13, 2017, 03:29:22 am »
Has someone an idea about the standby-time difference?

Products often go to nearly 0W in standby, the batteriser can't know the device is in standby, and cannot stop boosting and wasting energy.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8919 on: August 15, 2017, 07:21:37 am »
Getting desperate, now offering a referral program!


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posted by Bob Roohparvar
Aug 14, 2017 • 1:57PM PDT
Hello Everyone!
We are excited to announce our new Referral Program for ReBoost! See the current campaign to participate:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteroo-reb...
Part 1. Refer 1 friend and get a FREE 4 pack of Batteroo AA SmartSleeve from our original campaign!
Now you’ll get maximum rewards for sharing the Batteroo Indiegogo campaign with your friends and family! For every 1 referral who buys Batteroo Reboost, you will get one free 4 pack of AA Batteroo Boost! That's right Boost! Our original micro-thin sleeve for use with alkaline batteries that we successfully fundraised during our last Indiegogo campaign!

There’s no limit: the more referrals you give, the more free Batteroo Boosts you will get!
Here’s how to participate:
1.  Login to your indiegogo account
2.  Click the “Link” icon on the Batteroo indiegogo page

3.  Paste that link in your e-mails to friends, and on any social media.
That’s it! The link you create is unique and will allow us to ID all your referrals.

To clarify, in order for your referral to count, the person who uses your link needs to purchase a perk, so make sure your friends buy something!

Part 2. It's a contest! If your friends contribute over certain monetary amounts, you win prizes!


You will still get a 4 pack of Batteroo Boosts for each person you refer who buys something, but if your referrals' contributions exceeds a level's threshold, you will receive those prizes as well!*
*levels don't stack, you will only receive one contribution level's prizes.

How to keep track of your Referral Program's progress:
1. Log into your Indiegogo account.
2. Click on your user name beside the search box at the top right of the page.
3. Select the “My Profile” option.
4. Click on the tab that says “Referrals” for the latest totals of referrals and contributions.
5. See your current total under "Funds Contributed".

*Indiegogo is not able to track referrals made outside of this method. If you tell your friends by word of mouth or send a link without your unique referral ID, that share will NOT be counted in your referrals on Indiegogo.
*Note that the referral must immediately make a contribution after clicking on your link. If they visit other pages or websites or leave and come back to the campaign later to contribute, their contribution will not be counted as a referral from you.
That's all there is to it! Comment if you have any questions. Good luck everyone! Get sharing!
Regards,
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8920 on: August 15, 2017, 12:42:57 pm »
Are you trying to get us to sign up so you can get some free stuff? :o
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8921 on: August 15, 2017, 06:14:07 pm »
Getting desperate, now offering a referral program!


I agree a little desperate. If you compare the snapshots I took four days ago.




Just $300.00 in the last four days.





No more 'private' amounts in the last few days.

Doesn't really pass the sniff test  :-//

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8922 on: August 16, 2017, 01:45:34 am »
Getting desperate, now offering a referral program!

My first thought was that they probably have a ton of the original Batteroo Boosts collecting dust in a warehouse somewhere due to lack of sales. This promotion gives them a chance to both dump these Boosts that are wasting space and increase pledges for the new campaign at the same time.

Are there any tax incentives for reducing inventory by giving it away for free like this?
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8923 on: August 16, 2017, 03:27:12 am »
My first thought was that they probably have a ton of the original Batteroo Boosts collecting dust in a warehouse somewhere due to lack of sales.

You'd think they'd send them to the original IGG backers who haven't received theirs yet.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #8924 on: August 16, 2017, 09:57:03 am »
It doesn't seem to be gaining much traction.
And they have already tried several marketing things to try and pep it up.
It's going to tank  :-DD
They of course were expecting it to make half a million or a million dollars to make it look like a success to investors. They had no intention of just collecting $30k and being happy, or even $100k, that's chump chance when the investors have put in $750k+
Oops.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/batteroo-reboost-make-rechargeables-work-anywhere-technology?secret_perk_token=07a22e18#/backers

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