EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)

[Faith]

I can't be the only one who thinks "please say it has launched, PLEASE SAY IT HAS LAUNCHED!!!1!1!!" every time I see this thread shoot back to the top with a new reply.

Please just launch it already. I will buy one. I really will. I promise. Really.

I waaaaant oneeeee!~ >,<"...

Faith <- eager Batterwhatever customer-to-be.

[StuUK]

I can't be the only one who thinks "please say it has launched, PLEASE SAY IT HAS LAUNCHED!!!1!1!!" every time I see this thread shoot back to the top with a new reply.

Please just launch it already. I will buy one. I really will. I promise. Really.

I waaaaant oneeeee!~ >,<"...

Faith <- eager Batterwhatever customer-to-be.

Why would you want to buy one? Anyways don't hold your breath I don't think we will ever see one in the wild...

[Kean]

Guess they know something we don't  or was this Oct 24 2015?

Interesting how 2Tech Ltd describe themselves in their Twitter profile, yet perpetuate the Batteriser 20%/80% nonsense

@2techLtd

We discover, import and sell extraordinary and ethical products across the UK retail industry.

(my emphasis)

[ccs46]

@2techLtd

We discover, import and sell extraordinary and ethical products across the UK retail industry.

Poundland it is then!

[jc101]

I replied to their tweet and they said...

"when it's released please try one and get back to us. It's been independently tested and proven to work. They launch next month."
"it's not on sale yet, when it does have a try and get back to us. We are happy with the independent tests, it really does work."

...I asked them for a link to the tests and if the Energiser suit has been resolved.
 

[Macbeth]

Maybe they will ship to Europe too? I hear theres stores called Poundland over there, usually filled with crap. 

Don't knock Poundland, they are the upper class cousin to low end 99p stores 

To be honest on the odd occasions I venture into a shopping mall paradise my first ports of call are these China export front shops as a form of amusement, and they work because I always end up spending ten quid or so on their dubious wares.

Big Clive has quite a popular youtube channel almost dedicated to his Poundland scores (I wish he would find something more interesting than mains LED lights though - they have been done to death! )

[rich]

Things may have got moving again because the Energiser suit just got withdrawn as far as I can tell (Notice of Voluntary Dismissal filed 25 Oct 2016).  We know Batteroo and Energizer talk outside of the courtroom, so it perhaps Energizer are happy with Batteroo's rebranding efforts and they've come to an agreement.

So that's the last obstacle unblocked, I wonder what the next excuse will be... Or maybe they really are going to ship in time for xmas. 

[amspire]

So that's the last obstacle unblocked, I wonder what the next excuse will be... Or maybe they really are going to ship in time for xmas. 

Batteroo's plan seems to be to ship worldwide and then start testing their very first manufacturing prototype. As far as I can see, they haven't had a working prototype yet - the one capable of outputting at 1.5V any current that the battery was normally able to supply. If Batterroo didn't actually place an order for some Batterisers for themselves, they probably need one of their customers will voluntarily send them a sample to help out.

They do have the prototype they did the UL noise tests on - the one capable of outputting 1.5mA.

It is very unfair that a Chinese manufacturing subcontractor has obviously been sitting on hundreds of thousands of these ready-to-ship fully-working super-efficient noise-free high-current problem-free Batterisers for many months and they wont even let Batterroo have one sample for photos and test measurements. 

[EEVblog]

OMG they are shipping!

[LabSpokane]

Oh geez, now, not only has Bob designed the iPhone's wall wart, he's made a device even more difficult than the iPhone to manufacture.

[EEVblog]

OK, so now that the product has shipped (awaiting first receipt confirmation of course), one has to now wonder, WTF was Bob thinking with all his BS non-updates and all the other crap he let go on with this campaign that has turned it into the industries biggest joke?
All he had to do was speak honestly and provide photos or whatever and he could have prevented his name and the brand going down the toilet for a year now. Why would anyone cause so much harm to themselves when it was so simple to fix? 

[Muttley Snickers]

It's all too little too late as far as I'm concerned, I dumped a shitload of used batteries last month at the local council depot simply because they were not getting any better on their own and I got sick of waiting for these clowns, so much for saving the planet with your empty promises and deceptions, the world has all turned to shit now and we know who to blame.




 

[drussell]

The plot thickens!!! 

I can't wait...  Can't wait!  CAN'T WAIT!!!

This should be great entertainment!!! 

Why would anyone cause so much harm to themselves when it was so simple to fix?

Managerial incompetence?  SERIAL managerial incompetence?  (Not to mention the engineering ...)

[Macbeth]

Jesus H Christ - I knew I was right to hold on to all those leaky corroding Super Heavy Duty china special AA batteries! 

Hahaha - let's see who's the idiot now! Sorry Muttley, but you obviously had your canine cajones lopped off too early while brave battery pioneers with fortitude and faith in the Poo' bro's are going to be milking that hidden 80% out of our 20 for a quid AA's from the 99p shop for a long time to come! 

Oh lord, Dave Jones and Phil Mason (thunderf00t) must be quivering in their ivory towers along with "Big Battery" - they put up a good fight, but the designated shitting streets Batter-Poo's are going to revolutionize the world!

[amspire]

It is still really odd. No photos, no YouTube video, no mention of any performance results. Nothing on their website.

Their original campaign was for $30,000 (which was exceeded) and they made a custom IC? The IC they needed has to have better performance then anything currently on the market by a big margin.

It will be fun to see what happens over the next few weeks.

The good news for Bob is that they do not actually have to set up any "automated system" for people to be able to put reviews on line.

[Brumby]

OK, so now that the product has shipped (awaiting first receipt confirmation of course), one has to now wonder, WTF was Bob thinking with all his BS non-updates and all the other crap he let go on with this campaign that has turned it into the industries biggest joke?
All he had to do was speak honestly and provide photos or whatever and he could have prevented his name and the brand going down the toilet for a year now. Why would anyone cause so much harm to themselves when it was so simple to fix? 

I stand by my earlier suggestion on this point...

There is pretty certainly nothing with the Batterizer name on for them to ship.
Pretty sure they're saying that only so that people continue to believe they actually have existing stock to ship - when they have nothing produced at all.

There is absolutely no advantage for them to say this if they didn't actually have Batteriser branded product to ship.
It had been months since the last update, near everyone had forgotten about it all, so they either could have just let it die quietly, or if they now have the new Batteroo branded product to ship then they could have just said that.

A little part of me is wondering if Batteroo will still try to fly this puppy.  IF they do, then gaining some credibility will be vital - and one way of doing that is to take the opinion that they have no product to ship (which has been broadly expressed on this thread) and disprove it by shipping something (however impotent it may be).

Fan boys will then take this ONE point and celebrate it like the ultimate victory over the 'conspirators' - and claim everything espoused here is just as pure hogwash as the claim of not having a product to ship.

[EEVblog]

Their original campaign was for $30,000 (which was exceeded) and they made a custom IC? The IC they needed has to have better performance then anything currently on the market by a big margin.

Yep, and it will be interesting to see the die when someone dissolves it and looks under the microscope.

[Faith]

OMG they are shipping!

OMG time to get ready for another Batterwhatever EEVblog video then? This time with Dave and an actual product! Can't wait!~

The Return of Probes the Monkey!~

Why would you want to buy one? Anyways don't hold your breath I don't think we will ever see one in the wild...

Because I have a penchant for ripping apart snake oil products.

[ccs46]

OMG they are shipping!

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[Brumby]

Their original campaign was for $30,000 (which was exceeded) and they made a custom IC? The IC they needed has to have better performance then anything currently on the market by a big margin.

Yep, and it will be interesting to see the die when someone dissolves it and looks under the microscope.

It will.

[Brumby]

Now, I must admit I haven't gone looking ... but have there been any reports from people actually receiving them?

[Towger]

It is still really odd. No photos, no YouTube video, no mention of any performance results. Nothing on their website.

I agree, Dave's conversion to religion maybe premature.  Still no photos, but some supporters have received theirs!  I just can't help feeling that there is more to this than meets the eye. The whole story may end up being quite sad and not in the way we want by disproveing their technical claims.

[ChunkyPastaSauce]

OMG they are shipping!

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Also the last lawsuit was dismissed earlier today.
http://www.plainsite.org/dockets/307r4n75a/missouri-eastern-district-court/energizer-brands-llc-v-batteroo-inc/

[EEVblog]

Still no photos, but some supporters have received theirs!

I haven't seen any confirmations yet.

[ez24]

Still no photos, but some supporters have received theirs! 

Just the supporters in Vietnam.