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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5650 on: July 19, 2016, 01:34:30 pm »
Hi,

I think one of the issues is here is that they overstated their progress in the IGG campaign:





There is evidence, in the form of a Patent application, by Frankie, that the idea existed before September 2011, but they were certainly not as close to production as stated in the IGG campaign. This is definitely a deliberate act of deceit.



Whether the thing works properly all or not could be considered a gray area, but implying you are ready for production is not.

In addition, the idiots  nice people that gave them a product of the year award 2015, for a product that doesn't exist, should be public humiliated (as a minimum).

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5651 on: July 19, 2016, 06:10:22 pm »
And the problem is it's not illegal to be clueless, incompetent, or delusional enough to believe things that aren't possible. As long as you don't deliberately lie or do something fraudulent, then you can be as wrong as can be, or fail to deliver anything, and no one can touch you.
In the case of Batteroo, there is really no legal onus on them to listen to anyone or the evidence we put forward that their claims won't work. They can happily plod along forever believing their widget will work.

Not so. Try Googling the phrases "knew or should have known" or "reckless disregard of the truth" and you'll find lots of details of fraud cases that have been prosecuted and lots of statutory law from lots of different jurisdictions.
Anybody got a syringe I can use to squeeze the magic smoke back into this?
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5652 on: July 21, 2016, 01:41:15 pm »
Hey all you haters, it's big battery's fault for all the delays:

"We have our product waiting to be shipped, we are just being slowed down with the ongoing litigation issues with Energizer, who are doing everything in their power to make sure our product is unsuccessful"

To be fair to Batteroo, they have now had plenty of time since they showed the prototype panel photos to finish a full production run.

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5653 on: July 21, 2016, 02:28:07 pm »
Hey all you haters, it's big battery's fault for all the delays:

"We have our product waiting to be shipped, we are just being slowed down with the ongoing litigation issues with Energizer, who are doing everything in their power to make sure our product is unsuccessful"

To be fair to Batteroo, they have now had plenty of time since they showed the prototype panel photos to finish a full production run.

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Rich, is this a sarcastic post or should I read into it that you believe this? just checking....
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5654 on: July 21, 2016, 02:31:36 pm »
Anyone else see this thread pop up in the new unread posts list and think "it could be another update!" and always get disappointed?
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5655 on: July 21, 2016, 02:40:21 pm »
Anyone else see this thread pop up in the new unread posts list and think "it could be another update!" and always get disappointed?

yep, was hoping for some new bullshit not old bullshit
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5656 on: July 21, 2016, 02:40:37 pm »
Rich, is this a sarcastic post or should I read into it that you believe this? just checking....

We may be enjoying/suffering a heatwave in the UK, but my brain hasn't melted out of my ears just yet  ;)
I'd call them out on Facebook, but Batteroo blocked me a long time.


Anyone else see this thread pop up in the new unread posts list and think "it could be another update!" and always get disappointed?

Sorry for being a disappointment. I thought it was an valid update as they've now come out and publicly stated they are all built, ready to ship, and it's Energizer actively obstructing them in that process. I also wanted to archive such a bold assertion.
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5657 on: July 22, 2016, 01:23:58 am »
Hi group,

Today marks 4 months since the last update on IGG.




I wonder how the guys at SK telecom are feeling? I wonder if they get any requests for updates, after all they are on the board of Batteroo.

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Jay_Diddy_B

 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5658 on: July 22, 2016, 02:01:19 am »
they've now come out and publicly stated they are all built, ready to ship, and it's Energizer actively obstructing them in that process. I also wanted to archive such a bold assertion.

Which is of course complete BS, all Energizer did was win the Trademark suit. Feels like they are setting up an exit strategy perhaps?
If they were ready to ship and Energizer were actually hindering them (haven't heard a peep about this before), they would would post real updates on IGG and photos etc and rally the support of the community.
But nope, all we get a non-official update on IGG from whoever is paid to run that page.
They have never mentioned Energizer or the Trademark dispute officially on the IGG update page, not once. It's the most blatant game of smoke and mirrors I've ever seen.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5659 on: July 22, 2016, 03:08:31 am »
... they are all built, ready to ship, and it's Energizer actively ....

Don't you know - Energizer is going to make them destroy their stock and thus end it all.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5660 on: July 22, 2016, 04:51:02 am »
We know Batteroo already look to this forum for 'intel'.

Stop giving them ideas.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5661 on: July 22, 2016, 05:16:48 am »
... they are all built, ready to ship, and it's Energizer actively ....

Don't you know - Energizer is going to make them destroy their stock and thus end it all.

You'd think they'd at least take a picture of it...  :popcorn:
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5662 on: July 22, 2016, 06:46:00 am »
You'd think they'd at least take a picture of it...  :popcorn:

Everyone has been saying this for over a year now  ::)
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5663 on: July 22, 2016, 06:54:38 am »
Don't you know - Energizer is going to make them destroy their stock and thus end it all.

My prediction for the next update:

"We had finished production and were ready to ship out to all the backers, but then Energizer forced us to scrap all our inventory because of the Trademark case. We can no longer ship any units because doing so would infringe upon Energizers trademark. As a result we have no money left over to retool and build new units, so unfortunately we have to now abandon production, out hand has been forced by Big Battery.
We knew that Big Battery would do anything to crush our technology, they did not want it in the hands of consumers otherwise it would have destroyed their big profit business!
It was a great fight, and thanks for joining us on the journey. We sincerely hope that one day we can still free people from the crushing burden of Big Battery.
Bye."
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5664 on: July 22, 2016, 07:30:06 am »
Waiting for the plagiarism....
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5665 on: July 22, 2016, 08:09:25 am »
We and any others - must not let the name Roohparvar (please correct my spelling) drop off the search radar.    Batteriser and Batteroo are fine - but make sure to bind all three together - so future searchers will reveal their collusion and allow future investors to get some idea of who they're working with.
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5666 on: July 22, 2016, 01:30:20 pm »
they've now come out and publicly stated they are all built, ready to ship, and it's Energizer actively obstructing them in that process. I also wanted to archive such a bold assertion.

Which is of course complete BS, all Energizer did was win the Trademark suit. Feels like they are setting up an exit strategy perhaps?

Yes, agree, most likely exit strategy. Or if they are still in denial about product viability then a long delay tactic until that new improved silicon/whatever BS arrives. Loop while $ > 0.

How do professional journalists get quotes from big corporates? I'd love to hear what Energizer have to say about the allegations. And SK for that matter too.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5667 on: July 23, 2016, 10:18:59 am »
I had a genuine update to this a few days back but haven't gotten around to posting it.
I got an alert from my website monitor change detection thingee that the batteriser.com website had some significant changes to it the other day.
I thought, wow, they've probably posted on there some news, or changed the name, removing batteriser, but no.
If you look here:
http://www.changedetection.com/log/batteriser/index_log2.html
...you can see highlighted the changes that were made on their website.

On the 16th of July they deleted a bunch of stuff, deleted all the UL references and deleted all of the names of the other members except the Roopedoopedooh brothers etc, and added a list of "features" including some of the same old drivel which I won't repeat again here. And the name Batteriser is still throughout the page. Plus they added "Presale coming soon"

Then, on the 17th of July they made another bunch of changes on the website, adding "quotes" from magazines etc praising their imaginary product, re-adding the FCC compliance stuff and the UL certification stuff again, reiterating the claptrap about supposedly 6x greater life out of a Golf GPS (which they know is soundly disproven; showing they're clearly intent on mis-informing and deceiving people, in a word: SCAM.) They also added the other members of the team back onto the homepage. And the name Batteriser is still littered throughout the page and site, although they have no legal right to use that name.

So the major website changes on the 16th and 17th basically amounted to a bit of spit and polish on a big stinking turd.
 
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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5668 on: July 23, 2016, 10:50:33 am »
Changes to keep the website higher in search results?
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5669 on: July 27, 2016, 10:19:30 pm »
And the name Batteriser is still littered throughout the page and site, although they have no legal right to use that name.

?? What ?? No legal right to use that name ? That's B.S....

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5670 on: July 27, 2016, 10:47:06 pm »
It appears to be "appropriating the trade dress" of another well-known 'izer in the battery market...
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5671 on: July 28, 2016, 02:10:58 am »
And the name Batteriser is still littered throughout the page and site, although they have no legal right to use that name.
?? What ?? No legal right to use that name ? That's B.S....

It might be BS, but Energiser challenged their trademark of Batteriser and they won. Batteroo admitted defeat and the case is now closed. So Batteroo can no longer use the name Batteriser, or at least do anything meaningful with it like ship a product with that name on it.
Well, actually they can, they won't go to jail for it, but then Energiser would sue their arse and are guaranteed to win.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5672 on: July 28, 2016, 07:16:17 am »
It might be BS, but Energiser challenged their trademark of Batteriser and they won. Batteroo admitted defeat and the case is now closed. So Batteroo can no longer use the name Batteriser, or at least do anything meaningful with it like ship a product with that name on it.
Well, actually they can, they won't go to jail for it, but then Energiser would sue their arse and are guaranteed to win.

So basically Batteroo will never ship a Batteriser but they are free to claim whatever they like on their website?

Sounds like what we all predicted would happen many months ago. The whole "Big battery killed the Batteriser" etc...
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5673 on: July 28, 2016, 08:27:55 am »
So basically Batteroo will never ship a Batteriser but they are free to claim whatever they like on their website?

They can't ship anything with the name "Batteriser" on it if they want to avoid litigation.  They are free to ship the same device with a different name, but it's unlikely they will because changing the name doesn't stop it being a steaming pile of crap.
 

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Re: EEVblog #751 - How To Debunk A Product (The Batteriser)
« Reply #5674 on: July 28, 2016, 12:08:34 pm »
They can't ship anything with the name "Batteriser" on it if they want to avoid litigation.
Is that valid only for everything that would be coming out of Batteroo production lines or could they still "gift" engineering samples, perhaps with an extra 'prototype - not for sale' sticker?
 


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