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EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« on: September 14, 2015, 09:26:47 pm »
Dave takes a quick look at the Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope at their booth at the Electronex show.
A small, light, fanless, entry level 50MHz mixed signal oscilloscope.
http://www.rohde-schwarz.com.au/en/product/hmo1002-productstartpage_63493-61541.html

 

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2015, 10:16:23 pm »
Interesting. It's striking how the HMO just adds cool features here and there, and is not just another instance of the generic entry level scope that you see from the chinese manufacturers. They're trying to be innovative. I'd love to see a proper review to learn whether they actually succeed, or whether it's all just too gimmicky :)
 

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2015, 11:15:15 pm »
Looks very nice.   :-+

Would be good to see the logic analyzer in operation - see if it has as many cool features as the analogue side.

 

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2015, 11:39:26 pm »
I have the HMO1024 (4 Channel) in use almost every day.
The real beauty is the lightweight and the zero noise, as Dave pointed out.
The Menu structure takes some time to get used to but then it becomes very easy to use.
The vertical scale movement is interesting, but I never use it.

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2015, 12:33:27 am »
My main tool is HMO1524 and it is awesome. Apart from obvious features it is the only scope I know that can beep on trigger.
 

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2015, 01:15:02 am »
It's silent and there's very little wasted screen space. Just those two things make it stand out from the really cheap scopes.
 

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2015, 02:20:26 am »
If a barebone unit still has the same performance and functionality perks of this display unit, in my opinion that seems to draw a much more consistent line of the added value that a big brand entry level oscilloscope brings to the table. I don't feel the same when comparing the entry level offers from Keysight, LeCroy and Tek.
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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2015, 04:03:32 am »
Here are 9 short videos about the HMO1002.













I think it's does also pretty good (quick) on mask testing for a scope in this class.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2015, 04:12:29 am by CosPhi »
 

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2015, 05:40:56 am »
These machines are designed by Hameg , a long standing oscilloscope (and other test equipment) manufacturer in Germany that was acquired by R&S a couple of years ago.

My first scope was a hameg 604  60MHz scope with delayed timebase. I bought that new in 1984. It was later replaced by a PM3350 analog/digital scope from Philips in 1989.
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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2015, 06:14:27 am »
My first scope was a hameg 604
Mine was a 307. It still works...
 

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2015, 09:44:24 am »
The DPO performance is rather poor.
I do not like shared knobs for all channels. But as a little fanless scope, it is hard to beat. It is also one of the few scopes that are made in Europe.
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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2015, 04:04:23 pm »
I like the way the probe clips onto the test points.
 

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2015, 09:59:12 pm »
If a barebone unit still has the same performance and functionality perks of this display unit, in my opinion that seems to draw a much more consistent line of the added value that a big brand entry level oscilloscope brings to the table. I don't feel the same when comparing the entry level offers from Keysight, LeCroy and Tek.

LeCroy does make great scopes (in some cases even the best) but I wouldn't touch their entry-level Series (WaveAce) with a barge pole.
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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2015, 11:47:25 pm »
Lol.

Dave's really struggling not to diss his beloved Rigols. I wonder what he'd do with a full-on R&S ? They're seriously underappreciated (and I'm saying that as a long-time HP fan).
 

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2015, 12:12:38 am »
These things are aimed at educational market aren't they? Hence the 50khz function generator, helpful graphics. Not sure the price schools would pay however. They are really tiny in person. I like that they are fanless.
 

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2015, 12:19:35 am »
Are the illuminated button so bright as shown on the video?

My first scope also was a Hameg.

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2015, 06:09:45 am »
Looks pretty good indeed - I started looking into the price of this thing - but features like I2C decoding are going to cost you extra. Base price is indeed what Dave's saying - but that's for the base model. The connectivity options will set you back 250 Euro's; the decoding 300 Euro's. Still a very nice scope though..
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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2015, 06:44:01 am »
Looks pretty good indeed - I started looking into the price of this thing - but features like I2C decoding are going to cost you extra. Base price is indeed what Dave's saying - but that's for the base model. The connectivity options will set you back 250 Euro's; the decoding 300 Euro's. Still a very nice scope though..
Yep. The price soon starts to mount up. A decent configuration (300 Euro for a logic analyzer cable??) will soon go up to $2000 or more. That's expensive. (Don't know if the options are hackable or not... or if you can make your own cable)

I'd swap you one for my DS1054Z but I don't think I'd buy one with my own money.


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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2015, 08:10:11 pm »
Pushable would be nice but for horizontal position use the arrow buttons next to it.
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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2015, 06:20:07 am »
My first scope was a hameg 604  60MHz scope with delayed timebase. I bought that new in 1984.
These old Hamegs were the best. My brother still has a HM203 in prime condition, never had a problem in almost 40 years.

I upgraded from a HM1005 (~1990) to a HMO722 (2Gs, 70MHz) a couple of years ago, never looked back. These scopes may be a bit more expensive than the competition from Rigol, Siglent, etc. but they are worth every penny. Let's see how long this one lasts.  ::)
 

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2015, 06:41:28 am »
It is time for Dave to evaluate & review an R&S HMO 3054
+1. However, any scope from the HMO3000 series would do, I guess.
 

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2015, 06:41:58 am »
I have a Hameg HM-108 from 1964. A HM-1004 that I most times use for a Tek P6042.
My daily used scope is a HMO-3522, I have one LA unit. My scope has a fan (I think ) but it is very silent.  I really love this scope, it was love at first sight. I have it 3 years now.
I have no complains. The menu's and operation is perfect for me. I never need the manual (it came with a paper manual )
The thing I do not understand is why my 1004 and HMO do not have a component tester.

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2015, 09:31:58 am »
I do not like that small 640×480 6.5 inch screen. I prefer the 800×480 8.5 inch wide screen of my DSOX2002A. Well, many scopes (Tektronix, Rigol, Keysight, Siglent, some of GW Instek) nowadays have a wide LCD.
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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2015, 07:40:50 pm »
I thought that I posted that yesterday, but the Hameg brand remind me the first Scope I played with, it was a HM307 (I say it was, but as far as I know it still exist and works!) it's my dad that bought it long time ago "because it was the only one he could afford" but it's not a bad one in fact, it's a low BW one, but it's really small (for a cro) and Hameg is not a bad brand at all :)

It's just a one channel scope, 10MHz if i'm correct, but for homebrew back in the 80s it's not that bad :) What is funny, it that even if it's not a dual channel one, you still be able to do a X-Y display as the Ext Trigger BNC can be used to control the horizontal deflector :)
I need to get it :D

(surprisingly, it seems that there is a model with the same reference that have the CT, but infortunately, as far as I know the one my dad have does not have this option :( )

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Re: EEVblog #793 - Rohde & Schwarz HMO1002 Oscilloscope Hands-On
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2015, 06:01:46 am »
This was definitely an interesting of equipment and review!

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