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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2017, 08:56:36 pm »
I downloaded 7.7.0 early in January, but didn't install it.   Today, I installed it, and my code for 7.0 worked just fine.  I could not find several things that used to be on Cadsoft's page, such as a listing of changes by version number, user contributed ulp's and libraries.
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The change log is in their install directory in doc/UPDATE_en (or if you speak German, doc/UPDATE_de).  It has the blow-by-blow enhancements and bug fixes going back to v4.0.


EDIT/ADD: Similar to you, I also downloaded 7.7 but I'm not using it.  Starting with 7.3 and up, they went to a later version of the Linux Qt library and that reduced the graphics performance significantly.  Panning and zooming are no longer smooth, and the editing window is struggling to keep up.

The Qt change was NOT in the change log.  I had to open up a support case to find out what else had changed.

So, I've been stuck on 7.2 anyway since there was nothing compelling in later versions.  But now there's really no reason to go any further.

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #51 on: January 21, 2017, 10:12:53 pm »
Dear Autodesk minions and wanks:

This whole subscription idea is gaining popularity in todays software world... ya we know why you did it.

The assumption that a particular tool or software is worthy of paying for via subscription and that customers will comply and flock to your  bullshit app is flawed. Many of the reasons that it wont fly in Eagles case is supported by comments in this thread. Are you reading this  Matt, Jorge and Ed? If you want more revenue, make a better product and drop the subscription crap. You know full well what sucks in Eagle. You failed us license holders and you will lose something that you can never get back.....Customer loyalty.

At best your retarded move will spawn disdain and drive customers to other solutions.

In my case, I bought a pro licence to Eagle back in version 5.x  days because I needed more than 2 layers and 160x100 mm board size. It was a rough learning curve and I hated every moment of it.

Just recently, I started using Altium V14 and, besides the bloat and overpowering feature set the  library editor and layout editor are superb. Can't believe I waited this long to use Altium.

Tried various versions of AD before settling on this one. Seems V14 is the sweetspot in its legacy of releases

So, after 5 years with Eagle, its time to say GOODBYE and Goodriddens to Eagle. I can still import my older  designs into Altium and use my eagle libraries going forward, so its not a total loss to me.

So much for Eagle's future and the excitment of the Autodesk merger. :palm:


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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2017, 04:31:19 am »
I don't have a problem with people charging money for software, and for developing software.

That said, I much prefer to have rights to the code, and the control that comes with it (why I run linux as well), and I don't like apps that phone-home.

In case it hasn't been posted - this 20 minute Kicad tutorial is pretty good. It covers essential information needed to establish a workflow, while not taking time laboring basic points.

 
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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2017, 06:33:01 am »
I started doing PCBs seriously in 2006 on 4.16 layout+schematic+autorouter. At the time I compared against Diptace which seemed far more intuitive, but Eagle won the day because of its extensive library and despite its ass-backwards UI.

I did purchase one upgrade on 4.16 in 2009 to remove the sheet limitation.

I am now on an unlimited 6.2.0 layout+schematic licence and haven't seen a need to upgrade. The autorouter I found to be of little use nowadays as we've moved to serial busses. I never did like it anyway! One little trick is that I found I could copy and paste between the sheet limited autoroute version and the full non-autorouter version for the rare occasions I feel the need for some autorouting nonsense. The 3D might be nice but I'd imagine it's more work on my libraries which are now quite extensive, so I can do without.

So in ten years I made three purchases totalling about £1,500 on Eagle and can still open my projects from ten years ago without paying a dime. Features come slowly to these kinds of packages, any changes are very incremental and face the law of diminishing returns.

Whether I continue with Eagle or not for new designs that actually need the new functionality offered I don't know, but the new licensing model is certainly a great reason to look elsewhere.
 

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2017, 07:57:41 am »
Now, does anyone know what happened to the (extremely useful) listing of ULPs and scripts that used to be on Cadsoft's download page? The page on Autodesk's site
(http://eagle.autodesk.com/eagle/ulp) doesn't list anything at all. I really hope they haven't screwed that up as well - I often referred to that list to find helpful scripts.

With a bit of google-fu I was able to get a list. Try this direct link
http://eagle.autodesk.com/eagle/ulp?q%20s%20=uploaded_at+asc#5545931730586846846
It should display the ulp list in upload date descending order.
 
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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2017, 09:54:48 am »
Quote from: Jorge Garcia
Autodesk is full subscription going forward and this position is non-negotiable.

Oh Autodesk, I beg to differ. Everything in this world is negotiable; except this time, where Autodesk is concerned, I'll be negotiating with my money.

And when I say "negotiating," what I actually mean to say is: Autodesk will not be getting any of my money anymore.

You see, I actually have a couple of graphic designers over at my company; and when Adobe decided to pull off this exact same stunt several years ago, I put out a stop order on all Adobe-related purchases. And as it turns out, our graphic designers are more than happy to stick to Adobe CS6; a product which is soon to be six years old.

Prior to this I actually upgraded our Adobe licenses every two revisions. And now? Take a guess.

Soon after, when it became clear that Autodesk was headed towards the same direction, I also terminated the maintenance agreements of all our full AutoCAD Mechanical licenses. This was in addition to the fact that Autodesk have clearly run out of ideas with respect to how to make their products better. When I asked a sales manager at Autodesk "what new features have Autodesk integrated into AutoCAD over the past five years to increase productivity" the only answer I got was "cloud."

Yep. Cloud. That's it. What a joke.

The fact is that AutoCAD, and many of Autodesk's other products, have been feature-complete for years. In my company there's a policy to save all CAD drawings as "AutoCAD 2004 Compatible" because of the sheer number of entities out there who are still more than happy to use AutoCAD versions from a decade or more ago.

It's obvious that Autodesk is afraid. They're afraid that their lack of innovation is going to hurt the pockets of their shareholders.

And it should. Except that instead of pursuing innovation to rectify their dwindling profits, they're resorting to scum tactics in order to stay afloat. And this is an absolutely sickening and disgusting behaviour which I have neither interest nor tolerance in subscribing to.

Cloud and subscription-based software models offer a grand total of "zero" benefits to consumers.

And the vast majority of the time, there's a long list of "negatives." Having to register and sign-in to use our software is bullshit. Having our email addresses harvested by hackers because the likes of Adobe know fuck-all about securing web applications is bullshit. Having to always be online and then have the software stop working because of software vendors who know fuck-all about scaling their authentication services up with demand is bullshit. Having to endure yet another day of zero productivity because of software vendors who know fuck-all about QA forcing yet another needless, untested and unstable update down our throats is bullshit. Having to endure running a company with higher operation costs (yearly payments) and less net worth (perpetual licenses are assets, subscriptions aren't) is absolute bullshit.

So, to end what is a longer-than-anticipated rant; sure, by all means, go subscription-only. Just don't expect me to be part of it.
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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2017, 11:45:19 am »
Back in the day CAD programs must have been absolutely amazing pieces of computer software, and truly a marvelous milestone of computer technology.

But time has progressed. Packages like Cadence and Altium have evolved and have grown to these giant beasts of programs, that require some learning curve, but ultimately pay off in a huge amount of functionality and productivity. This is what makes them worth their multi thousand dollar price tags.
Not to say you need all of those cutting edge features. Altium from 2009 will serve just as well, albeit with some quirks and bugs.

On the other hand, it seems like Autodesk is trying to capitalize this almost purely legacy tool. No commercial company, even a startup, in their right mind is going to entangle themselves in this extraordinary expensive licensing mess (let alone being it subscription based) when free tools like Kicad do just a good as a job. Both tools aren't perfect, but one is free and the other is far from it.

The last few years I've been keeping up with the updates of Eagle; and really so little changes. We got some "advanced PCB features" but it's still in this quirky old interface. Library management is a mess. Design annotation features are limited. DRC/ERC rule checking is very limited. The PCB editor just only recently got net names on the board; woah! That sounds like it was some kind sci-fi tech to implement after all those years.

IMO Eagle is way overpriced for what it is, and the 50$ a month to draw 4-layer boards is an absolute joke. Even hobbyists have progressed to that level of technology when you can order 4-layer proto boards for 50$ from China or OSHpark.

Like I said, this subscription model sounds purely to capitalize on people who find themselves rusted to Eagle, companies with strict policies or just the uneducated. If this subscription model isn't an initiative to change, then I don't know what is.
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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2017, 11:50:14 am »
Via google I found CERN saying "The world needs a freely available tool for designing open-source hardware. Without it, designers do not have the freedom to share their work efficiently. KiCad is that tool, and you can help to develop it. "

https://giving.web.cern.ch/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=6

CERN's always had a strong position on open source (waaay back in the past they'd disallow military use, but eventually came round to allowing any use). (One could sometimes suspect CERN of reimplementing things not written by themselves  ;) so good to see the moral support.)
 

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #58 on: January 22, 2017, 02:08:58 pm »
Diptrace in one word: Intuitive

I've been using it professionally for 3 years now, it is a good product.
At the time around the 1K pricepoint there was only Eagle and Diptrace. (now i would propably go for circuit studio)
I tried kicad but it was too clunky at the time.

Oh, KiCad. Imagine a first time user drops two parts, connects them and then picks one part to move it around and all connections rip off....

I second you opinion on Diptrace. Part creation is super easy, intuitive and fast. Schematic drawing is nice, PCB creation works ok, I do autorouting with Freeroute and optimize by hand.

On the downside:
  • I wait for the day it dies. Look at the website. Latest news from march 2016. Facebook? Very slow and rare activity. On the plusside the forums are activ and questions are answered.
  • Uff. Copy protection made a lot of problems. I wish they would rethink there distribution model... Make it open source... :-)
  • Some parts are stinking old concepts. Like part search. You enter the part, click on search and whoooooop, 8 threaded 4 GHz 32 GB machine goes into a deep sleep while looking through 100 kB of data...
  • Part placing in PCB designer misses some modern features, too. On-the-fly measurment, auto aligning like in PowerPoint, working (!) font support, all such stuff.
  • Annoying bugs are not fixed. Turn off a layer in PCB designer and parts are still pic ked... Diptrace really missis bug fixes.

If you can live with the freeware limitations (300 pin, 2 layers, no commecerial use) it is a great product to wait for KiCad to mature to something usefull.
 

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #59 on: January 22, 2017, 06:24:43 pm »
Out of curiosity, I searched on resources at CERN.   There are a lot as you might expect.  If one searches of EDA there, you get:

Electronics Design Software Service tools available at CERN

http://information-technology.web.cern.ch/services/electronics-design-software

NB: Neither Eagle nor KiCad are listed

John
 

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #60 on: January 23, 2017, 08:07:22 pm »
It makes me wonder what Autodesk's grand plans are for their other products.

I'm very impressed with Fusion360, their free CAD offering for makers, but I always suspected they would suddenly change their policy and start charging for software.  The cynic in me thinks they are just waiting until users have a built large repository of parts where they are commited to the product.

Anyway, this is an opportunity for other EDA makers to lure eagle users to their products.  Maybe we'll see some discounts.
 

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #61 on: January 23, 2017, 08:40:25 pm »
Ahhhhh........this sucks, then i`m out |O
This is a complete deal breaker for me as far as using eagle  >:(
 

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #62 on: January 24, 2017, 12:28:53 am »
Now, does anyone know what happened to the (extremely useful) listing of ULPs and scripts that used to be on Cadsoft's download page? The page on Autodesk's site
(http://eagle.autodesk.com/eagle/ulp) doesn't list anything at all. I really hope they haven't screwed that up as well - I often referred to that list to find helpful scripts.

With a bit of google-fu I was able to get a list. Try this direct link
http://eagle.autodesk.com/eagle/ulp?q%20s%20=uploaded_at+asc#5545931730586846846
It should display the ulp list in upload date descending order.

Thanks for that! They maybe hadn't uploaded them at the time I was looking. Good to see they still have the old ones (back to 1997!). Search feature is handy, especially since some ULPs (e.g. the DXF import ones) have multiple versions.
 

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #63 on: January 24, 2017, 07:27:42 am »
http://information-technology.web.cern.ch/services/electronics-design-software
NB: Neither Eagle nor KiCad are listed

CERN is huge organization, made of many separate units, sometimes with complicated, none or just occasional interaction between them.
The fact couple of KiCad developers are at payroll of CERN doesn't mean that all their employees are KiCad enthusiasts. Friend of mine, working here, told me they even had ballet dancer on CERN payroll once and this doesn't mean they are enthusiastic about him or ballet in general.
 
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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #64 on: January 25, 2017, 12:40:22 pm »
I am so bummed.

I have been waiting to purchase Eagle until Autodesk released a new version, I had high hopes they would add features. They have, but the subscription licensing "feature" is a deal breaker. I really have not liked Kicad, but I guess I should give it another shot. I started working for myself a couple years ago doing contract work and I just don't quite have the budget Altium, PADs, etc yet.

Try proteus, it has a way of it's own of working but for a yearly license of level 2 (ground planes and 3D CAD export) it is £135+Vat, I think it will still work if you don't pay but you don't get updates or support.
 

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #65 on: February 06, 2017, 11:11:37 am »
The online subscription model or cloud based software is doing harm to a large part of the world that cannot get internet access.
I live in a rural area of the USA. We can't get internet to half the homes in the county. That means people in half the county cannot
use software from autodesk or other companies that choose this method.
High school students cannot even use educational or free versions of software because of this crap.

 

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #66 on: February 06, 2017, 01:48:39 pm »
All Hail The Cloud !!  :scared: :scared: :scared:

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2017, 08:51:50 am »
I have a feeling of deja-vu.
I used to freelance copywrite for ADSK (still do sometimes), and I remember hearing almost the same arguments a couple of years ago when they moved their own software to subscription. 'They're robbing me! I will switch to ArchiCAD!' / 'They killed 3ds max! I'll move to that buggy open-source 3D stuff I heard about!' and all that. Well, did ADSK suffer losses? Did they lose their market shares? Nope. It's Autodesk, after all.
Same here. The fact that EAGLE is not a requirement for a job is, actually, something ADSK won't tolerate and will do their best to change. Will that mean that hobbyists will have to find some other tool? Maybe, maybe not. Solo architects working on small projects like cottages actually liked the subscription model (at least here in Russia, where they finally were able to ditch the pirated versions and stop worrying about lawsuits).
But the thing is, Autodesk seems to really intend to improve EAGLE. If (or, more correctly, when) they do, all will be forgotten and forgiven. Integration with Fusion, Inventor, Simulation, anyone? Yes, certainly not a hobbyist market, but a true path to that job requirement for sure.
So, as much as you may feel cheated, ADSK knows what it's doing. Is there a possibility of EAGLE failing and ceasing to exist in the future? Yes. Is it likely? In my opinion, not really. ADSK is no Google, after all. They moved towards circuit design for a long time, they didn't buy EAGLE on a whim, and they will follow their plan no matter what, so better relax and see where it's leading.
I agree and disagree.

For Maya and Inventor etc, they didn't lose anything. In those markets, when Autodesk made the changes, they were already market leaders in their respective areas. They could dictate whatever the hell they want, because people might complain, but they had nowhere to go. There are essentially no professional products that directly compete with Maya or 3ds Max or Inventor, and there weren't a few years back when they changed everything to subscription.

EAGLE, as it is in version 8.0.1, is nowhere near a professional tool. And at the pricepoint, there are quite a few tools out there that have comparable or better features, much better interfaces and potentially better pricing schemes.

Right now, and Version 8 didn't add many improvements on this part, as Dave said, EAGLE is a hobbyist/1-man-band/small company tool and most people use it that way. For this market, they will lose even more customers.

In the professional market, my experience is that people complain about subscription models, but most end up liking them anyway. Especially in larger companies with lots of bureaucracy many team leaders eventually realized that they could sneak in new licenses with a lot less effort because there is no large initial spending. And smaller companies tend to pay more for subscription-based software (because, unlike most large companies I know, they would have bought just a fixed license and no support contracts), but in my personal experience, they will quite frequently make use of being able to add one more seat for just two months because they just got in this new big contract and now they need one more seat until the job is done...

But EAGLE isn't in a professional place right now and if it wants to get there, it has some work to do - and even then, they will have other professional tools to compete against, unlike in the other industries...
 

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #68 on: March 02, 2017, 12:56:22 pm »
On Version 8.0.2, the library editor is unusable on Mac

On 8.01 it used to freeze randomly with some cryptic message that a command is ongoing, which prevented you from closing the window or doing anything else. And you had to force quit the app. Now with 8.0.2 (which included a fix for this) the program crashes instead of freezing.
Well... at least it is an improvement on time lost... We don't have to manually kill the application anymore.

Anyway, I updated to standard last week. With over-taxation here in Greece, buying deductible stuff is more appealing than ever.
 

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #69 on: March 02, 2017, 05:08:33 pm »
And what about this one:

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/eagle-8-0-2-blank-screen-on-load/td-p/6906897

Looks like they did a big overhaul and made a big mess...
 

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #70 on: March 09, 2017, 06:14:05 am »
Is there anyone who has used EasyEDA? It's much easier to use than other programs like Eagle.

EasyEDA is a cloud-based EDA tool suite which supports open source and working collaboratively. This software allows the used to design schematics and PCB anytime, anywhere around the world. and you can even order your PCBs from them or download the Gerber files to use with other company like oshpark.

The product has a huge library of schematic components, PCB footprints and packages with spice simulation, models and .subckts to boot.

Now imagine a free tool that connects you with your colleagues for doing the perfect design work together, or just adding a remote friend to have a look on your newly finished board, to look for errors or do some improvements.
This is fantastic, especially after the bad news concerning Eagle's lastest perverting by Autodesk. EasyEDA is a free software as well without any limitations. For Eagle, it is now only available for purchase as a subscription, you’ll be paying Autodesk on a monthly or yearly basis. The free version still exists, but for anyone using Eagle for commercial purposes.

Moreover, they also have a nice online Gerber Viewer which has a "Analysis results" function that shows various important measurements.

The following Youtube video from GreatScott provides a quick review of EasyEDA features.


I thought that it could be interesting for some people here.
 

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #71 on: March 09, 2017, 07:39:03 am »
Is there anyone who has used EasyEDA? It's much easier to use than other programs like Eagle.

EasyEDA is a cloud-based EDA tool suite

The biggest issue causing consternation amongst EAGLE users is the requirement for an internet connection and the permanent existence of the Autodesk servers for guaranteed future ability to edit designs. At least with EAGLE the freeware license would forever enable you to view/export your designs if anything were to happen and the product got shelved. A totally cloud based service would be a big step in the worse direction for all those migrating away from EAGLE for the long term supportability reason.

Now imagine a free tool that connects you with your colleagues for doing the perfect design work together

No serious hardware design company is going to rely on a free cloud based tool. It's not a risk worth taking. Possibly fine for hobby use if people don't mind risking losing everything they've done if the service were to cease to exist but not for serious work.

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #72 on: March 09, 2017, 07:55:41 am »
No serious hardware design company is going to rely on a free cloud based tool. It's not a risk worth taking. Possibly fine for hobby use if people don't mind risking losing everything they've done if the service were to cease to exist but not for serious work.

No chance, not even with software escrow (no idea if that could even work with a cloud app) would I rely on free, cloud based software if my livelihood relied on it unless I had a damn good alternative, even as a hobbyist I like my software and data where I can put my hands on it, internet licensing and cloud applications are a nightmare, unscrupulous or disonourable companies can deprive you of access any time they like for as little as a bad review.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/21/amateur_radio_fans_drop_hammer_on_hrds_blacklist/
 

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #73 on: March 09, 2017, 08:01:23 am »
EasyEDA is a cloud-based EDA tool suite which supports open source and working collaboratively. This software allows the used to design schematics and PCB anytime, anywhere around the world. and you can even order your PCBs from them or download the Gerber files to use with other company like oshpark.

I prefer to have a local installation of an EDA tool with a perpetual licence to be able to open a circuit or a board to edit it any time. That might be tomorrow or in 10 years. Therefore cloud based stuff or subscription based models are an absolute no-go for me.
 

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Re: EEVblog #965 - The (Autodesk) Eagle Has Crashed
« Reply #74 on: March 09, 2017, 08:20:07 am »
EasyEDA is a cloud-based EDA tool suite which supports open source and working collaboratively. This software allows the used to design schematics and PCB anytime, anywhere around the world. and you can even order your PCBs from them or download the Gerber files to use with other company like oshpark.

I prefer to have a local installation of an EDA tool...

It is coming, quotes below are from the following page: https://easyeda.com/forum/topic/EasyEDA_is_down_because_of_A_huge_DDoS_attack-JxPI0iASM

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EasyEDA will provide a desktop version soon, the desktop version is always no need to connect web site. It will be OK to be tested, let us know if you want to help us to test the desktop version.
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The desktop version will allowed you to save your file to your desktop...
 


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