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Title: My Keysight 1000X Oscilloscope FAILED
Post by: EEVblog on November 16, 2018, 01:11:12 am
 :-BROKE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBOgiMA89Ks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBOgiMA89Ks)
Title: Re: My Keysight 1000X Oscilloscope FAILED
Post by: FERCSA on November 16, 2018, 01:24:51 am
Dave, just connect your serial cable to the scope. You'll see more ;)
Title: Re: My Keysight 1000X Oscilloscope FAILED
Post by: scopeman on November 16, 2018, 03:21:13 am
I wonder if there is a bad relay or solder joint that is common. Perhaps the calibration source? Probably no hope of finding schematics.

I see a teardown and repair video in your future for this scope.

Sam
Title: Re: My Keysight 1000X Oscilloscope FAILED
Post by: EEVblog on November 16, 2018, 04:39:48 am
(https://i.imgur.com/2G7JVWV.png)
Title: Re: My Keysight 1000X Oscilloscope FAILED
Post by: mikeselectricstuff on November 16, 2018, 08:42:36 am
You didn't leave any of the hack links set did you ?
ISTR that offsets were one thing that made the apparent bandwidth increase hack not actually useful
 
Title: Re: My Keysight 1000X Oscilloscope FAILED
Post by: PA0PBZ on November 16, 2018, 10:08:17 am
I don't think that the calibration signal is what it should be. It is all over the place, so no wonder the poor thing gives up.
Title: Re: My Keysight 1000X Oscilloscope FAILED
Post by: TK on November 16, 2018, 12:32:44 pm
The calibration traces do not look that bad, in scopes that are functioning they jump all over as well, it is part of the calibration algorithm.

Try removing the CPU/ASIC board, cleaning the contacts and re-installing it.
Title: Re: My Keysight 1000X Oscilloscope FAILED
Post by: JPortici on November 16, 2018, 01:35:16 pm
although when it moves around slowly it looks exactly like what happened to us on a batch of boards..
There was this issue where a PWM signal was filtered with a two pole Sallen Key and the guy who drew the schematic forgot to put the capacitor between the positive input of the opamp and ground on one channel.
It was ridiculous! the schematic was thight, if he had just copied the filter from another channel the infamous capacitor would have been on the title block, so he must have removed it never to add it back again :palm:

Anyway, the issue was that besides worse filtering of the signal there was a heavily distorted oscillation when the duty cycle changed between zero and about 20%, of the same kind i saw on the video. I would inspect the calibration signal circuit to see if there are cracked caps or something. every time i did self calibration i never saw a signal like that
Title: Re: My Keysight 1000X Oscilloscope FAILED
Post by: rsjsouza on November 16, 2018, 07:45:36 pm
That was a throwback. It reminded me of the well worn out analog oscilloscopes of the university labs, where the amplitude level switches made the GND level jump around like a crazy monkey! The potentiometers and tappings on the front panel caused all sorts of glitches on the waveform.  :-DD
Title: Re: My Keysight 1000X Oscilloscope FAILED
Post by: ginbot86 on November 17, 2018, 09:12:57 am
I'm curious as to what the calibration logs have to say as to what went wrong. Using my Windows CE desktop hack (https://ripitapart.com/2018/10/15/gaining-access-to-the-windows-ce-desktop-and-doom-on-the-keysight-dsox1102g-oscilloscope/) I found that there are some .txt files (\Secure\cal\UserCal8Log.txt, \Secure\cal\callog.txt) and they provide some pretty verbose information as to the tests it performs, how long each test took, and so on.
Title: Re: My Keysight 1000X Oscilloscope FAILED
Post by: FERCSA on November 22, 2018, 12:31:59 pm
A lot of good ideas here, but we have to really see the serial log under the calibration process to see what's going on. ginbot mentioned the UserCal8Log.txt It's a copy of the serial log and you can access it without opening your scope, but probably your scope is already open  :-DD
Title: Re: My Keysight 1000X Oscilloscope FAILED
Post by: apl99 on January 20, 2022, 06:05:15 pm
Was the cause of the issue ever determined?
Title: Re: My Keysight 1000X Oscilloscope FAILED
Post by: EEVblog on January 20, 2022, 09:22:32 pm
Was the cause of the issue ever determined?

It was the hack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbqx25wT2Qo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbqx25wT2Qo)