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Offline Fungus

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #450 on: December 27, 2018, 03:13:15 am »
It will be interesting to see if Rigol makes any attempts to 'update' any new firmware versions to make them somewhat more secure.

...because I'm sure they want to sell less:palm:
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #451 on: December 27, 2018, 03:19:46 am »
...because I'm sure they want to sell less:palm:

We will see. There is certainly plenty they could do to make it much tougher to hack.    I would be confident that Rigol certainly knows of this thread, and similar threads ( such as hackaday ). The thread has certainly been read by some of the Rigol resellers, who likely would have discussed it upwards.   My gut feeling ( no proof ) is that Rigol seeded that hacking thread as well.   ( the serial number 001 was the big giveaway ).

But the ball is in their court.  The first ones are out there, but will subsquent ones be the same.  Only time will tell, but either way we will know waht Rigols intention is.
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #452 on: December 27, 2018, 05:00:26 am »
I don´t think they´ll prevent the models from hacking - The entry models (5074/5104) will be bought and hacked by hobbyists, greater models and/or the options will be bought from companies.
So they won´t worry about that, I guess.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #453 on: December 27, 2018, 05:15:42 am »
I don´t think they´ll prevent the models from hacking - The entry models (5074/5104) will be bought and hacked by hobbyists, greater models and/or the options will be bought from companies.
So they won´t worry about that, I guess.

We had the exact same arguments over the previous two generations of Rigol.  :popcorn:

Do you really think the bosses at Rigol would allow such a simple hack to 'escape' if hacking didn't work as a sales strategy?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #454 on: December 27, 2018, 05:26:42 am »
Exactly.
None have to worry with the next or a future firmware the abilities of hacking won´t be possible any more.
Do anyone hear/know about hacks for R&S RTB/RTM scopes, or lecroy, or greater keysight models…
At this range of prices, you don´t care about the money for buying additional options.


 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #455 on: December 27, 2018, 05:57:51 am »
Tektronix, Lecroy and Keysight scopes are being hacked on a large scale as well. It just stays more under the radar. There is also some hacking of R&S equipment and I have no doubt the scopes from R&S can be hacked as well if someone puts some effort into it.
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #456 on: December 27, 2018, 09:01:31 am »
Just ordered the 5074 from RigolNA tonight.   Estimated ship date ">8 weeks".

Got a call from them today and they said the initial ship date on their site was wrong, should ship 3rd week of Jan. Woot.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #457 on: December 27, 2018, 09:10:56 am »
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if someone puts some effort into it

But it didn´t happened.
The reason would be if I can buy a scope like the R&S, then I can buy also the options and don´t care about of getting them for free due to a hack.
Honestly I think rigol counts on the hacker-scene for selling their low-cost models.
The MSO 5074 is affordable, got tons of features like many math functions even mid-price scopes don´t have, power analyzing, decoding, 2-ch arb generator...for (here) 1070€.
If you get the options in which way ever for free.
This is a killer and I´m sure they know it and let the hackers doing it like they´ve done it before.
If I had 1000....2000 bucks for a scope to buy, I would go for the rigol(like I´ve done).
If I have more to spend, I won´t, even not for a 7000 rigol.


 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #458 on: December 27, 2018, 09:30:51 am »
I don´t think they´ll prevent the models from hacking - The entry models (5074/5104) will be bought and hacked by hobbyists, greater models and/or the options will be bought from companies.
So they won´t worry about that, I guess.

We had the exact same arguments over the previous two generations of Rigol.  :popcorn:

Do you really think the bosses at Rigol would allow such a simple hack to 'escape' if hacking didn't work as a sales strategy?
The Strategy used here by Rigol is brilliant and no cost to them, other than what they pay Dave and the engineers on their payroll who "help" EEVblog members to reverse engineer and promote their scope. Nothing is free.
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #459 on: December 27, 2018, 09:38:51 am »
The MSO 5074 is affordable, got tons of features like many math functions even mid-price scopes don´t have, power analyzing, decoding, 2-ch arb generator...for (here) 1070€.

Don't forget bandwidth north of 350MHz (pending real measurements), 8 gigasamples/sec rate, 400Mb memory, etc.

Nobody else is going to give you anything close to that for that much money.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #460 on: December 27, 2018, 09:51:55 am »
Yes,
The hardware is ready for anything  - when they spend time for optimizing the firmware...Boy, another DS1054Z would be on the scene, but 2 class or more higher.
Got a DS2000 too, even yet it´s no real challenge against the MSO5074.

 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #461 on: January 01, 2019, 11:25:18 am »
Happy New Year @all....

Wednesday I´ll "met" my 5074 again, waiting at work.
I think I´ll upgrade it with the "new" FW:
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hacking-the-rigol-mso5000-series-oscilloscopes/msg2076715/#msg2076715
And check out the differences before/after.

 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #462 on: January 07, 2019, 10:04:47 am »
I was a little bit scared about it, will wait for an "official" FW-update.
When was the scope released, october or november...…
It seems, rigol is still collecting the issues customers reports.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #463 on: January 07, 2019, 12:56:34 pm »
Sorry for my question, but should I buy the Rigol MSO5072 or the Rigol MSO5074?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #464 on: January 07, 2019, 01:09:35 pm »
Sorry for my question, but should I buy the Rigol MSO5072 or the Rigol MSO5074?
MSO5074.  The price of 2 additional probes is about $90 (the difference from MSO5072 to MSO5074) and you will have the warranty for all 4 channels
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #465 on: January 07, 2019, 01:20:15 pm »
Great thanks:-)

Do you know where to get et to the lowest price (220-240VAC)?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #466 on: January 07, 2019, 04:52:18 pm »
can anyone confirm if this mso5000 have bodeplot function  ?
i can't find any info on the datasheet though..
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #467 on: January 07, 2019, 04:58:42 pm »
Sorry for my question, but should I buy the Rigol MSO5072 or the Rigol MSO5074?
MSO5074.  The price of 2 additional probes is about $90 (the difference from MSO5072 to MSO5074) and you will have the warranty for all 4 channels

could you tell me the stock probe is it PV2150 or PV2350 ?
planned to buy 5072 next month after CNY. price different is about $120 more for 5074
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #468 on: January 07, 2019, 06:52:46 pm »
Ordered a MSO5074 yesterday from Batronix (Europe). Will be shipped end of january / begin of february.
If you ask for the "show discount" because of the Embedded World next month you will get 6% off. Normaly only while the show is running but they are kind and it wasn't my first scope order from them.
So i paid nearly 1k€.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #469 on: January 08, 2019, 08:23:06 am »
Ordered a MSO5074 yesterday from Batronix (Europe). Will be shipped end of january / begin of february.
If you ask for the "show discount" because of the Embedded World next month you will get 6% off. Normaly only while the show is running but they are kind and it wasn't my first scope order from them.
So i paid nearly 1k€.
That sounds like an excellent deal!
How did you go on about it? Request a quote with a note? Or placed the order online with a comment?
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #470 on: January 08, 2019, 09:51:19 am »
Hmpf,

I´ve spend 1069 for it...by Batronix in the end of november.
Although for this price it´s a burner, no doubt.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #471 on: January 08, 2019, 10:02:02 am »
Batterfly gave me 10% off my MSO5074 in December, free shipping as well.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #472 on: January 08, 2019, 11:04:36 am »
lalalala, I don´t hear that, lalalala….. ;)
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #473 on: January 08, 2019, 11:12:08 am »
Well, TopLoser gives lots of good deals. So, it's karma repaying him.
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #474 on: January 08, 2019, 05:56:46 pm »
Batterfly gave me 10% off my MSO5074 in December, free shipping as well.
Now he says, So I guess I'll have to poke simon then via the forum to see if that option is still available? :)
 


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