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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #275 on: November 26, 2018, 08:56:57 pm »
Still waiting of an answer from Batronix…
It makes no sense that all options are for free till 12/31/2018 for the 7000 series, but for the 5000 not.

1) the 7000 is about 3x the cost of the 5000
2) the 5000 has a bundle deal that gives you, like, everything. For not much more than the cost of one upgrade... While the 7000 paid upgrade situation is way more expensive.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #276 on: November 26, 2018, 08:59:38 pm »
The RIGOL MSO5000-BND function and application bundle option includes for EURO 599 + VAT
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MSO5000-EMBD Embedded serial bus trigger and analysis (I2C and SPI)
MSO5000-AUTO Auto serial bus trigger and analysis (CAN and LIN)
MSO5000-FLEX FlexRay serial bus trigger and analysis (FlexRay)
MSO5000-AUDIO Audio serial bus trigger and analysis (I2S) 4 channels models only
MSO5000-AERO MIL-STD-1553 serial bus trigger and analysis (MIL-STD-1553)
MSO5000-AWG Dual-channel 25 MHz arbitrary waveform generator
MSO5000-PWR Built-in Power Analysis
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #277 on: November 27, 2018, 05:08:56 am »
And again, all of this is free for the DS7000/MSO7000 at the moment.
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #278 on: November 27, 2018, 05:09:54 am »
And again, all of this is free for the DS7000/MSO7000 at the moment.
yes till the end of the year
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #279 on: November 27, 2018, 11:01:19 pm »
And again, all of this is free for the DS7000/MSO7000 at the moment.
Well yeah... You mean, for 3x the price of the equivalent 5000 plus the paid for bundle...
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #280 on: November 28, 2018, 05:39:19 am »
I'm not quite sure what your "3x price" statement is based on, but as stated before, the price difference between an MSO5014 with options bundle (1307.81€+712.81€=2020.62€) and a DS7014 with (free) options bundle (2616.81€) is less than 600€ (596.19€). You might argue that the DS7014 isn't an MSO, but actually the MSO5014 isn't really either, as the probe has to be bought separately (355.81€).

And again, all of this is free for the DS7000/MSO7000 at the moment.
Well yeah... You mean, for 3x the price of the equivalent 5000 plus the paid for bundle...
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #281 on: November 28, 2018, 05:40:53 am »
I'm not quite sure what your "3x price" statement is based on, but as stated before, the price difference between an MSO5014 with options bundle (1307.81€+712.81€=2020.62€) and a DS7014 with (free) options bundle (2616.81€) is less than 600€ (596.19€). You might argue that the DS7014 isn't an MSO, but actually the MSO5014 isn't really either, as the probe has to be bought separately (355.81€).

And again, all of this is free for the DS7000/MSO7000 at the moment.
Well yeah... You mean, for 3x the price of the equivalent 5000 plus the paid for bundle...
DS7000 is also missing AWG channels, only available on MSO7000
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #282 on: November 28, 2018, 05:55:42 am »
True. Yet IMHO built-in AWGs are usually somewhat gimmicky (typically only 5V and a few kSa memory) and nothing I would put pay any considerable amount of money for.
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #283 on: November 28, 2018, 05:57:34 am »
can be useful when bode plot feature is available
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #284 on: November 29, 2018, 06:56:05 am »
The Siglent SDS 1104X-E does have the bode plot function (only in combination with Sigelent Generators).

News from Batronix/Rigol:

Batronix told me, the missing Hi-Res Mode on 5000/7000 is known and would be fixed, probably..
I also did a request by Rigol/Germany if there is a promotion offer planned for the 5000 just like by the 7000.
Today´s  answer was no, there were no offers planned for the MSO 5000 series.
Anyway, I´ve ordered a MSO5074, should arrive in 2-3 days.
The option bundle will be ordered when I´m confident with the scope.



 
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #285 on: November 29, 2018, 07:07:33 am »
I think you will enjoy the MSO5. It’s a great instrument. We already delivered many units and so far no “trouble”. Let us know your opinion when you get it!
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #286 on: November 29, 2018, 08:12:03 am »
The Siglent SDS 1104X-E does have the bode plot function (only in combination with Sigelent Generators).
Officially yes.

But behind the scenes:
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds1104x-e-and-sds1204x-e-bode-plot-with-non-siglent-awg/
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #287 on: November 29, 2018, 08:23:07 am »
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Let us know your opinion when you get it!

I think, I´ll test it at work (Testfield technician) - much more capabilities as at home.
My impressions will be written here.

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But behind the scenes:

Ahhh...why it doesn´t wonder me.... :D
I bought a Siglent awg…  ::)
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #288 on: November 29, 2018, 08:59:10 am »
I think you will enjoy the MSO5. It’s a great instrument. We already delivered many units and so far no “trouble”. Let us know your opinion when you get it!

I would enjoy it if it is hackable? Do you know if it can be done.
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #289 on: November 29, 2018, 09:08:52 am »
I think you will enjoy the MSO5. It’s a great instrument. We already delivered many units and so far no “trouble”. Let us know your opinion when you get it!

I would enjoy it if it is hackable? Do you know if it can be done.

There’s one on my desk I don’t mind opening up and doing whatever anybody suggests to investigate further...
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #290 on: November 29, 2018, 09:23:19 am »
True. Yet IMHO built-in AWGs are usually somewhat gimmicky (typically only 5V and a few kSa memory) and nothing I would put pay any considerable amount of money for.


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Which model do you have ?
Maybe you see a difference to yours in Dave´s teardown vid (350Mhz)
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #291 on: November 29, 2018, 10:11:12 am »
@TopLoser:

Which model do you have ?
Maybe you see a difference to yours in Dave´s teardown vid (350Mhz)

4 channel 70MHz, bought from Batter Fly when they had a 10% discount.

I’m sure there won’t be a hardware difference otherwise the licence upgrades to 350MHz wouldn’t be feasible? But I can look.
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #292 on: November 29, 2018, 12:41:28 pm »
I think you will enjoy the MSO5. It’s a great instrument. We already delivered many units and so far no “trouble”. Let us know your opinion when you get it!

I would enjoy it if it is hackable? Do you know if it can be done.

I'm curious too, any updates yet?
Does a license file and serial number help any hackers out there with RE? ;D
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #293 on: November 29, 2018, 12:59:04 pm »
I'm curious too, any updates yet?
Does a license file and serial number help any hackers out there with RE? ;D

Sure! If someone takes the time and rip the fw to pieces, the licence file can be integrated or just changing the SN, then manually apply the licence.. it should be doable.
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #294 on: November 29, 2018, 05:56:43 pm »
I think you will enjoy the MSO5. It’s a great instrument. We already delivered many units and so far no “trouble”. Let us know your opinion when you get it!

I would enjoy it if it is hackable? Do you know if it can be done.

I'm curious too, any updates yet?
Does a license file and serial number help any hackers out there with RE? ;D

given the FPGA they have in there, they could be using secure code, and the licence file may be encrypted.   What does the license file look like?
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #295 on: November 30, 2018, 08:40:33 am »
Bug Bonanza

 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #296 on: November 30, 2018, 09:08:12 am »
I would prefer a red, green, blue and yellow trace. Why is there a pink trace???
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #297 on: November 30, 2018, 09:12:46 am »
Bug Bonanza

Thanks for the vid Dave, hope the Rigol guys see it too….
What FW Version you got ?
My 5000 will arrive on Saturday, so I can compare with it.

(Edit: After posting there´s no fallback to the thread, that´s irritating)
 

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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #298 on: November 30, 2018, 09:14:38 am »
I would prefer a red, green, blue and yellow trace. Why is there a pink trace???

Because we are inclusive.
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Re: EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope
« Reply #299 on: November 30, 2018, 09:23:03 am »
People ask about differences between 'A' brand and 'B' brand scopes. That video sums it up pretty well. Poor attention to detail. Mostly not even bugs, just bad design - copying competitors without really understanding what's important.
How did anyone think that decode display makes sense? - useless "D:" marks wasting over half the screen space, unuseably small gaps between logic channels, nonfunctional colour selection, poor UI choices (label entry).
 
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