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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #100 on: November 14, 2013, 11:42:31 pm »
Holy damn, he is shutting off comments? I have never watched any of his videos.... but every single person I know has. Yeah, Google, you fucked up.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #101 on: November 14, 2013, 11:47:30 pm »
http://www.youtube.com/user/PewDiePie/videos

Yeah, he's huge, 3rd in the world, or #1 according to social blade.
I know social blade can overestimate earnings, but holy cashcow batman:
http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/PewDiePie
and little old me at #5629 on Youtube  :-+
http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/eevblog

Ah, found his reason why posted here:


 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #102 on: November 15, 2013, 12:00:59 am »
http://socialblade.com/youtube/user/PewDiePie

He is like Conan Obrien/Oprah of YT  :-DD

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Correction, watched one vid, He is more of a AWW MY BALLS guy :/ oh the humanity
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #103 on: November 15, 2013, 12:10:12 am »
Ah, found his reason why posted here:


Probably unfair of me to judge entirely on that one video, but how in the hell did that guy get popular?

I want my 5 minutes back.

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #104 on: November 15, 2013, 01:13:19 am »
You made it through five minutes? I got one minute in and shot myself.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #105 on: November 15, 2013, 01:26:40 am »
I though when I finally made it to the YT comments part, it might be worth it.   :palm:


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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #106 on: November 15, 2013, 01:32:26 am »
I noticed that you are not able to give thumbs up/down to comments before the change. I hate this because my question on the Q&A announcement was on top but now it is buried deep down (Thanks to everybody who liked it) (I am T.H. that asked about the most beautiful circuit).

Seriously speaking, I spent lots of time (before the change) reading through all the 200+ questions and giving thumbs up to the questions I really liked.. because I though it would help them to make it to the Q&A.. and now all the thumbs are gone for those "old" comments!! I really look forward for this Q&A and now google is screwing things up. Good thing is that Dave says he is reading the comments actively (at least trying, after the change).

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #107 on: November 15, 2013, 01:34:32 am »
You made it through five minutes? I got one minute in and shot myself.

Chill, bro. Pewdiepie is totally sick   :-+

Actually, I think he must get really sick - he plays a lot of games with an Oculus Rift.



 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #108 on: November 15, 2013, 01:50:54 am »
I'd give him another chance, but unfortunately, I am dead now. Dude shouldn't have made me kill myself!
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #109 on: November 15, 2013, 02:00:38 am »
I'd give him another chance, but unfortunately, I am dead now. Dude shouldn't have made me kill myself!

Hey, at least you're chilling...   
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #110 on: November 15, 2013, 07:51:42 am »
Probably unfair of me to judge entirely on that one video, but how in the hell did that guy get popular?

Gamers.
I know a young guy in Australia who makes a full time living from doing gamer videos (I think there are a couple in oz actually), and there are hundreds like him. People just like to watch them playing games.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #111 on: November 15, 2013, 07:53:38 am »
Seriously speaking, I spent lots of time (before the change) reading through all the 200+ questions and giving thumbs up to the questions I really liked.. because I though it would help them to make it to the Q&A.. and now all the thumbs are gone for those "old" comments!! I really look forward for this Q&A and now google is screwing things up.

Yep, I'm really pissed off at that.
I'm in two minds whether to turn comments off like others have done.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #112 on: November 15, 2013, 08:31:19 am »
I'm in two minds whether to turn comments off like others have done.

please do that!

and add a link to this forum to the video description - maybe even the link to the thread related to the specific video :)
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #113 on: November 15, 2013, 08:41:07 am »
and add a link to this forum to the video description - maybe even the link to the thread related to the specific video :)

+1

Comments turned off always meant someone didnt want/care about feedback, but now comments are useless anyway, not to mention people that have something interesting to say would register anyway.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #114 on: November 15, 2013, 08:56:01 am »
and add a link to this forum to the video description - maybe even the link to the thread related to the specific video :)

I've been doing that for the last few hundred videos!
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #115 on: November 15, 2013, 10:33:56 am »
and add a link to this forum to the video description - maybe even the link to the thread related to the specific video :)

I've been doing that for the last few hundred videos!

oh sorry - never noticed!
maybe because in the past i could simply ralf a comment just below the video… so by all means continue doing that *and* lock the comments :)
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #116 on: November 15, 2013, 10:36:14 am »
and add a link to this forum to the video description - maybe even the link to the thread related to the specific video :)

I've been doing that for the last few hundred videos!

I fully understand that you are hesitating to change the current way of "things".
Because it is part of your income.

But, maybe because i am not a "professional/experienced" youtube user, i think (maybe i am wrong) the comment system is totally independent of the thumbs up/down voting system.
So, if your revenue is only depenent of the number of views (i'm just speculating, i don't know how youtube calculates your revenue) you maybe could just add a explanatory statement why the link to the forum is (now) the only way to comment.

But, as i said, i don't know if his would cut down your status/income on youtube.

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #117 on: November 15, 2013, 11:21:02 am »
I want my 5 minutes back.

 :-DD

Don't you wish you could do that?
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #118 on: November 15, 2013, 11:58:37 am »
I fully understand that you are hesitating to change the current way of "things".
Because it is part of your income.

I don't care about the money too much. It's more than that, it's about the nearly 100,000 loyal subscribers I have on Youtube.
For me to turn the comments off for my own personal protest would just hurt those people who chose to use Youtube to send me comments. I get many hundreds of comments every day across all my videos.

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But, maybe because i am not a "professional/experienced" youtube user, i think (maybe i am wrong) the comment system is totally independent of the thumbs up/down voting system.
So, if your revenue is only depenent of the number of views (i'm just speculating, i don't know how youtube calculates your revenue) you maybe could just add a explanatory statement why the link to the forum is (now) the only way to comment.
But, as i said, i don't know if his would cut down your status/income on youtube.

No, it likely wouldn't affect my income that much. I make the majority of my money outside of Youtube.
What turning off comments would do (assuming it doesn't turn people off actually viewing) is to lower the ranking of my videos in the search results.
The search results are quite dependent upon which videos have the most "social interaction" in the time after it is released.
So what that does to my channel overall in the long term I don't know. But I know it ceratinly wouldn't kill my channel.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #119 on: November 15, 2013, 12:12:31 pm »

For me to turn the comments off for my own personal protest would just hurt those people who chose to use Youtube to send me comments. I get many hundreds of comments every day across all my videos.

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What turning off comments would do (assuming it doesn't turn people off actually viewing) is to lower the ranking of my videos in the search results.
The search results are quite dependent upon which videos have the most "social interaction" in the time after it is released.
So what that does to my channel overall in the long term I don't know. But I know it ceratinly wouldn't kill my channel.

I think i understand. I intially thought that all that counts for this "social interaction/ranking" is the number of views. Apparently it seems to be much more complicated. Are there any official (or even unofficial) numbers how the different ways (number of views/number of comments) are weighted into this "social interaction/figure of merit"?. I stupidly assumed that the number of views would be the only (at least the most importent) number?

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #120 on: November 15, 2013, 12:20:16 pm »
For me to turn the comments off for my own personal protest would just hurt those people who chose to use Youtube to send me comments.

Unfortunately none of us can comment on YouTube videos any more unless we accept the forced connection to G+, regardless of any changes you may make. So it would be interesting to know if you experience a drop in the comment volume following the impact event...
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #121 on: November 15, 2013, 12:28:30 pm »
Unfortunately none of us can comment on YouTube videos any more unless we accept the forced connection to G+, regardless of any changes you may make. So it would be interesting to know if you experience a drop in the comment volume following the impact event...

At the moment I'm not sure, because the comment counter in video manager is broken! Currently only shows 19 comments for the new dumpster teardown video  ::)

EDIT: The number shows up (maybe correctly) on the comment page itself. 94 comments. That's a bit low, but not uncommon for a video that's been there that long.

I won't be able to really tell for a week weeks until I get a decent graph to see the trend.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #122 on: November 15, 2013, 12:30:52 pm »
Were the rest trapped as SPAM?

This is beyond ridiculous.  They have to rethink it... I can't imagine that they'd really be willing to alienate so many just to try to push a failed idea...
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #123 on: November 15, 2013, 12:32:18 pm »
This is beyond ridiculous.  They have to rethink it... I can't imagine that they'd really be willing to alienate so many just to try to push a failed idea...

They are not mutually exclusive. They can push their failed idea (G+) and make the comments work like it used to.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #124 on: November 15, 2013, 12:45:48 pm »
I wasn't implying that it was one or the other, just that they need to rethink the way they're doing it. 

If they're going to insist on using G+, then at least make the site useable.

I guess I'm just not getting the thought process... if that's what anyone wants to call it.  Seems to me that it was not well thought out at all.  I won't pretend that I know the answer... but it seems to me that what they really ought to do is actually *fix* the comments, let people log in using whatever ID they want, and let G+ stand (or fail) on its own. 

Makes you wonder what the real purpose here is.  Would Google be willing to alienate so many people for the requirement that "real names" are used?  Why?  What (or who) is really behind that?

Choices like this kill small businesses.  Just because Google is big, they get away with it?  A bit like Microsoft, right?  They choose to follow their own rules, ignoring standards wherever they want, because they can... just had a customer that wound up receiving appointments as plain email because Exchange had their addresses cached and thought they were Outlook clients.  (They weren't.)  The fix was to delete the addresses from the Exchange server and re-send the appointments fresh so that they went out in iCal format instead.

I don't know.  :-//  It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.  It would be more interesting to really understand the thought process.
 


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