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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #125 on: November 15, 2013, 02:46:55 pm »
Choices like this kill small businesses.  Just because Google is big, they get away with it?  A bit like Microsoft, right? 

Yep, that's how it works when you have a customer base invested in your stuff.
Same thing happened with Altium over the last 12 years. The only thing that saved them was that:
1) there was no competition in the feature set/price bracket
2) The customers are heavily invested in the tool in various ways
3) They keep doing stupid stuff, and moving in stupid directions small steps at a time. No one step is enough to cause people to throw up their hand and jump ship.

Youtube's problem here is that they forced G+ and screwed up comments. Either one would have been Youtube just doing it's regular thing, but now it's a double whammy and the rant effect multiples, not adds.

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They choose to follow their own rules, ignoring standards wherever they want, because they can...

Forget standards, how about just sticking with what works, and what your users have come to expect.
Same thing with me, if I changed my videos to 2 minutes KipKay style, or over-produced Ben Heck style, I'd be out of business real quick!

 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #126 on: November 15, 2013, 05:15:40 pm »

Forget standards, how about just sticking with what works, and what your users have come to expect.
Same thing with me, if I changed my videos to 2 minutes KipKay style, or over-produced Ben Heck style, I'd be out of business real quick!

For me.. I don't watch either... I did watch KipKay somewhat but most of his videos/ideas are either stupid or obvious marketting and thus worth not watching.   :--

This comment-spaming seen to have gone really bad. As far as I have seen a lot of well known channels (Earth Unplugged, Grant thomson, Asap science, minutephysics, Simonscat, DaSquirrelNuts, tyt, veritasium, vsauce1/2) are flooded with this same idiotic Ascii.art automated spam. Some others I follow (like Vihart, Fran) have closed the shop entirely while others seem just closed the comment sections since they just don't have time to filter out spam/porn etc.

On the other hand it seems not reached all youtubers. (Jeri Ellisworth, Ben krasnow, mikeselectricstuff, numberphile, HackaWeekTV, Techmoan, Bogotter, European Space Agency) don't seem to have any visible spam yet. I must admit that my check was quite fast so I don't know if this is due a lot admin work or if they have just been lucky so far.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #127 on: November 15, 2013, 06:17:16 pm »
This comment-spaming seen to have gone really bad. As far as I have seen a lot of well known channels (Earth Unplugged, Grant thomson, Asap science, minutephysics, Simonscat, DaSquirrelNuts, tyt, veritasium, vsauce1/2) are flooded with this same idiotic Ascii.art automated spam.

My channel has been hit by those, a few dozen at least. I've been going around deleting them. They weren't detected by the new spam filter!  :palm:
Spam was very limited before.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #128 on: November 15, 2013, 07:37:21 pm »
This comment-spaming seen to have gone really bad. As far as I have seen a lot of well known channels (Earth Unplugged, Grant thomson, Asap science, minutephysics, Simonscat, DaSquirrelNuts, tyt, veritasium, vsauce1/2) are flooded with this same idiotic Ascii.art automated spam.

My channel has been hit by those, a few dozen at least. I've been going around deleting them. They weren't detected by the new spam filter!  :palm:
Spam was very limited before.

Only a few dozen? Have you seen the state of some videos' comments areas!? Hundreds upon hundreds of ascii-bobs, tanks, swastikas, penises, etc all in a row. Spam galore. The so-called spam filter seems to filter out the legit comments and let the junk through.  :-//
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #129 on: November 15, 2013, 07:44:15 pm »
Only a few dozen?

I just found another 19 tanks on my rant video. Don't know about the 550 other videos...
Ban & delete time....

Make that 27 total since last time I deleted some + a few dozen actually in the spam folder (along with all the good comments of course)
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #130 on: November 16, 2013, 03:59:35 am »
Only a few dozen?

I just found another 19 tanks on my rant video. Don't know about the 550 other videos...
Ban & delete time....

Make that 27 total since last time I deleted some + a few dozen actually in the spam folder (along with all the good comments of course)

And there's more of them, at lest 3 tanks and some other 'ascii-art' on front page, not to mention other werbal trash.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #131 on: November 16, 2013, 03:34:45 pm »
Youtube's problem here is that they forced G+ and screwed up comments. Either one would have been Youtube just doing it's regular thing, but now it's a double whammy and the rant effect multiples, not adds.

Indeed.  I think that they've outdone themselves.

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Same thing with me, if I changed my videos to 2 minutes KipKay style, or over-produced Ben Heck style, I'd be out of business real quick!

Thank goodness you're a bit smarter than that.   :phew:

Really though -- it wouldn't be you.  In fact, I'd be surprised if you weren't chewing the bark off of trees in ten minutes if you had to put up with the production team.  One of the things that I think everyone finds most endearing about you is that you "shoot from the hip", to use a very old and well-worn Americanism.  (For those that don't get it, that means that Dave's honest, to-the-point and no-nonsense.)  You couldn't do what you do in bite size pieces.  And it wouldn't be anywhere near as entertaining, or informative, if you had to do that.

No, you know exactly what you're doing, and that's a very good thing indeed.  Still amazes me that you aren't dropping F-bombs when you get going... I can imagine that would happen if you weren't vigilant...
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #132 on: November 16, 2013, 03:39:09 pm »
Make that 27 total since last time I deleted some + a few dozen actually in the spam folder (along with all the good comments of course)

If it weren't such a pain in the arse, you'd have to laugh at it... I wonder if it would have even been possible for them to do any more damage.  Whenever someone thinks they can idiot-proof something, someone comes along and makes a better idiot... :-DD
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #133 on: November 16, 2013, 03:59:23 pm »
Really though -- it wouldn't be you.  In fact, I'd be surprised if you weren't chewing the bark off of trees in ten minutes if you had to put up with the production team.  One of the things that I think everyone finds most endearing about you is that you "shoot from the hip", to use a very old and well-worn Americanism.  (For those that don't get it, that means that Dave's honest, to-the-point and no-nonsense.)  You couldn't do what you do in bite size pieces.  And it wouldn't be anywhere near as entertaining, or informative, if you had to do that.

That's not to say the others aren't of course. The point is that everyone builds up an audience based on their own style. It's when you change that, that's when people get pissed off. People hate change!
It's the same for any medium like TV, movies, Youtube, text bloggers, print media etc.

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No, you know exactly what you're doing, and that's a very good thing indeed.  Still amazes me that you aren't dropping F-bombs when you get going... I can imagine that would happen if you weren't vigilant...

I'm an F-bomb machine when the camera is off  ;D
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #134 on: November 16, 2013, 04:22:03 pm »
Here is another way to consume the EEVBlog videos

http://fixyt.com/search?q=eevblog
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #135 on: November 16, 2013, 04:46:21 pm »
You couldn't do what you do in bite size pieces.  And it wouldn't be anywhere near as entertaining, or informative, if you had to do that.
That's not to say the others aren't of course.
Of course.  Speaking personally, I much prefer your approach.  Refreshing... a bit like a glass of perspective and soda.
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I'm an F-bomb machine when the camera is off  ;D
I'd suspected as much.  I catch myself doing it at times too... but hey, few words can express what one good expletive can.   >:D
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #136 on: November 17, 2013, 09:31:57 am »
Here is another way to consume the EEVBlog videos

http://fixyt.com/search?q=eevblog

fixYT is a YouTube UI experiment that...
is much simpler and faster than youtube.com
supports privacy and stores no information
gets rid of amazing features (like recomendation)

I like it!
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #137 on: November 17, 2013, 09:47:11 am »
Here is another way to consume the EEVBlog videos

http://fixyt.com/search?q=eevblog

It's brilliant. I like it a lot.
Why can't anyone at google comprehend that:
  • Less is more
  • Simple is better
  • KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid!
They need to hire a designer who "gets it" and can advise the code-monkeys on how the whole Youtube site could be designed and laid out to make it logical and usable... and scrap G+!
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #138 on: November 17, 2013, 07:58:08 pm »
Here is another way to consume the EEVBlog videos

http://fixyt.com/search?q=eevblog

It's brilliant. I like it a lot.
Why can't anyone at google comprehend that:
  • Less is more
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  • Simple is better
  • KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid!
They need to hire a designer who "gets it" and can advise the code-monkeys on how the whole Youtube site could be designed and laid out to make it logical and usable... and scrap G+!

On my iPad they even got rid of the much overrated concept called 'sound'.
No  :blah:.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #139 on: November 17, 2013, 11:47:08 pm »

On my iPad...

…something doesn't work, so it's the site's fault!

fixyt.com offers html5 video which plays better on my boxes as native youtube does. since i have no flash installed (like on iDevices) i had to manually download daves videos from yt to watch them - so YAY! fixyt.com!
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #140 on: November 18, 2013, 12:13:08 am »
does having the eevblog videos in several places fragment the view count to the detriment of Dave?

In this case the video are still on Youtube, and I still get the all the views counted, so no problem. Just like embedding my video anywhere else.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #141 on: November 18, 2013, 12:34:40 am »
I've deleted my Google account now. I told them that if I wanted a social media account, I would be using Facebook.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #142 on: November 18, 2013, 04:59:08 am »
and another fail


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bionerd23 1 hour ago:
 
youtube just told ME, the fucking CHANNEL OWNER, that i cannot reply to a post from +antiprotons.
i'll post it here and hereby also STOP ANSWERING to any comments.
sorry for the inconvenience, but i'm no longer taking this fucking bullshit. seems like i cannot answer to posts older than 15 hours, haha. this is ridiculous!
i'm writing a complaint to google instead.
if you dont ever hear from me again, it's because google didnt change it and i refused to set an alarm clock for every 3 hours, even at night, to be able to reply to comments. seriously, i took all the bullshit, the new channel designs, etc. without much whining, but THIS makes me want to fucking quit youtube!
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #143 on: November 18, 2013, 11:54:51 pm »


 :-DD

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #144 on: November 19, 2013, 01:14:44 pm »
This is beyond ridiculous.  They have to rethink it... I can't imagine that they'd really be willing to alienate so many just to try to push a failed idea...

They are not mutually exclusive. They can push their failed idea (G+) and make the comments work like it used to.
Know what is a little frightening? I logged out of my gmail account and when I tried to log back in it wanted me to attach G+ to it.  What in the hell does a social network have anything to do with my personal email?  This is getting out of hand if you asked me.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #145 on: November 19, 2013, 06:56:08 pm »


 :-DD

An animated GIF is worth a thousand words.   ^-^
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #146 on: November 21, 2013, 02:33:49 pm »
I refuse to join G+, so I won't be commenting on your videos on YouTube any more. Sorry Dave! I do enjoy watching them. Are you getting more activity on the forum as a result?
 


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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #148 on: November 25, 2013, 04:52:18 pm »



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We are still completing the work needed to fully disconnect your channel from Google+. Connecting will be available in about 20 minutes.well this is new
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
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