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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #150 on: November 29, 2013, 10:17:44 am »
Well, it seems Google is winning or has won and the sheeple have just bent over for them as even my associates have told me to just get G+ and take it.  They asked me why I am being so stubborn about it as people have finally learned how to use G+ to their advantage and I remain steadfast.  Call it stubborn I don't care but never ever demand me to do something.  You may ask but never demand and Google is demanding and for that they can shove it up their collective poo holes.

A bit sad that this generation, or should I say the modern person, seems so complacent and willing to have anything shoved on to them. :(
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #151 on: November 29, 2013, 05:15:15 pm »
Another gripe about Youtube now, is with the annotations. I've turned annotations OFF by default in the settings, but still, every video starts with annotations ON, and I have to click the settings cog, and manually switch the buggers off every video I watch. Dammit, why have a preference for turning something off if you're going to just ignore it and force them to be on by default regardless? Grr.  :rant:
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #152 on: November 30, 2013, 01:59:46 am »
 :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

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I am unable to express how much I HATE! these changes and how they have buggered the experience for me, while I have decided to continue making content. I refuse the link the accounts with this bullshit and I cannot receive comments, even the bloody view counter is dead. This change has brought nothing good, not even 0.000000000000000000001% of it has improve the site in any way. The site had decreased the functionality YouTube by 100% * 20 orders of magnitude to the power of 1000. could say it's a Googleplex worse. It has ruined to community and damaged free speech.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #153 on: November 30, 2013, 02:09:33 am »
Is it possible to get your money back ?

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #154 on: November 30, 2013, 02:57:37 am »
:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

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I am unable to express how much I HATE! these changes and how they have buggered the experience for me, while I have decided to continue making content. I refuse the link the accounts with this bullshit and I cannot receive comments, even the bloody view counter is dead. This change has brought nothing good, not even 0.000000000000000000001% of it has improve the site in any way. The site had decreased the functionality YouTube by 100% * 20 orders of magnitude to the power of 1000. could say it's a Googleplex worse. It has ruined to community and damaged free speech.
The thing is that if the content providers manned up and grew a pair and told Google to go Eff themselves by closing down their channel, as I did, then Google would have taken notice and reversed itself but as long as people even half way goes along they win.

This whole effing mentality of the modern sheeple of going along to get along has to cease or it will be the end to more than just freedom for a lot of people.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #155 on: November 30, 2013, 03:14:18 pm »
If only...

Because Google is monetizing YouTube, they don't much care about most content providers.  They're going to make their money off the big guys -- the commercial content producers like TV networks, etc.  The smaller guys like you just don't represent a big enough market.

At least that's the way they're behaving.  I don't claim to have any inside knowledge here.

You are right that the only solution is to vote with your feet, but then someone has to man up and build another CDN that can replace YouTube.  And you can't expect it to be free either, unless you can find a large number of very geographically-dispersed people willing to give up some of their bandwidth for the cause.  Even then it's likely to require some support to keep it going.

I just don't think you'll be able to convince the average "sheeple" to go along with you on this one.  They don't care enough about it... they only want to be entertained, and many of them will be more than happy to part with some of their hard-earned money to get that.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #156 on: November 30, 2013, 04:49:49 pm »
If only...

Because Google is monetizing YouTube, they don't much care about most content providers.  They're going to make their money off the big guys -- the commercial content producers like TV networks, etc.  The smaller guys like you just don't represent a big enough market.

At least that's the way they're behaving.  I don't claim to have any inside knowledge here.

You are right that the only solution is to vote with your feet, but then someone has to man up and build another CDN that can replace YouTube.  And you can't expect it to be free either, unless you can find a large number of very geographically-dispersed people willing to give up some of their bandwidth for the cause.  Even then it's likely to require some support to keep it going.

I just don't think you'll be able to convince the average "sheeple" to go along with you on this one.  They don't care enough about it... they only want to be entertained, and many of them will be more than happy to part with some of their hard-earned money to get that.
Lets say they have 10 "stars" and the rest of us.  Alright if the rest of us closed down our channels those 10 "stars" wouldn't be enough of a revenue stream for Google and they would take notice.

As to your second idea you do realize that Youtube is considering going for pay, right?  One of their execs let it slip as one of their ideas to combat the Adblock Plus fiasco.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #157 on: December 06, 2013, 08:20:44 pm »
Because Google is monetizing YouTube, they don't much care about most content providers. 
As to your second idea you do realize that Youtube is considering going for pay, right?  One of their execs let it slip as one of their ideas to combat the Adblock Plus fiasco.

Um... isn't that what I said?
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #158 on: December 06, 2013, 10:08:51 pm »
The thing is that if the content providers manned up and grew a pair and told Google to go Eff themselves by closing down their channel, as I did, then Google would have taken notice and reversed itself but as long as people even half way goes along they win.

It ain't that easy.
Have you considered that shutting down your youtube channel in protest can:
1) hurt your viewers who still choose to watch through youtube
2) kill the channel and content for those for eek out living from it. most youtubers get very little or no revenue from other means, that means they would no longer be able to do it full time, and hence the content will ultimately suffer.

So for a full time content creator to shut down their youtube channel hurts the viewers, themselves, and the content. And for what?
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #159 on: December 06, 2013, 10:12:16 pm »
I just don't think you'll be able to convince the average "sheeple" to go along with you on this one.  They don't care enough about it... they only want to be entertained

And really, you can't blame them.
Now if ALL of my audience, or even the majority of my audience wanted me to move away from youtube then I'd certainly consider doing it (and take the financial hit), but the fact is they don't, and then are the silent voices of the 25,000 or random viewers I get per day just from searching for my content and stumbling across it.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #160 on: December 06, 2013, 10:17:30 pm »
Lets say they have 10 "stars" and the rest of us. 

You are off by an order.
They have (exactly) 100 channels who have more than billion views:
http://socialblade.com/youtube/top/5000/mostviewed
And almost 1900 if you count 100 million views as being a "star".

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As to your second idea you do realize that Youtube is considering going for pay, right?  One of their execs let it slip as one of their ideas to combat the Adblock Plus fiasco.

Link?
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #161 on: December 06, 2013, 11:12:02 pm »
Lets say they have 10 "stars" and the rest of us. 

You are off by an order.
They have (exactly) 100 channels who have more than billion views:
http://socialblade.com/youtube/top/5000/mostviewed
And almost 1900 if you count 100 million views as being a "star".

Wow...26 out of the top 100 are VEVO channels for pop music stars.  I think YouTube has taken over the entire music video game from MTV and VH1.  Neither of those channels show music videos at all any more, so that means that pop groups are making videos solely for broadcast on YouTube.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #162 on: December 07, 2013, 01:08:29 am »

Now if ALL of my audience, or even the majority of my audience wanted me to move away from youtube then I'd certainly consider doing it (and take the financial hit)

No, don't even think about that, Dave.  You're not in this for altruism, it's your vocation, and you have a family that depends on you.

Stand for what you believe in, by all means -- but don't hurt yourself in the process.  It's not worth it.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #163 on: December 07, 2013, 07:18:50 am »
The thing is that if the content providers manned up and grew a pair and told Google to go Eff themselves by closing down their channel, as I did, then Google would have taken notice and reversed itself but as long as people even half way goes along they win.

It ain't that easy.
Have you considered that shutting down your youtube channel in protest can:
1) hurt your viewers who still choose to watch through youtube
2) kill the channel and content for those for eek out living from it. most youtubers get very little or no revenue from other means, that means they would no longer be able to do it full time, and hence the content will ultimately suffer.

So for a full time content creator to shut down their youtube channel hurts the viewers, themselves, and the content. And for what?
So, you rather take it up the poop shoot and allow them to walk all over you just for the lousy bit of money you are making?  Well, that is pretty bad of anyone who does that as it is rather whorish AND that is exactly how come their G+ scam is working.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #164 on: December 07, 2013, 07:24:32 am »
Lets say they have 10 "stars" and the rest of us. 

You are off by an order.
They have (exactly) 100 channels who have more than billion views:
http://socialblade.com/youtube/top/5000/mostviewed
And almost 1900 if you count 100 million views as being a "star".

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As to your second idea you do realize that Youtube is considering going for pay, right?  One of their execs let it slip as one of their ideas to combat the Adblock Plus fiasco.

Link?
I am looking but this one report had one of the Google, or it was YT, exces spouting off about going for pay since adblock plus, and no script, was hurting revenues.

I did just find this from 2012 http://nypost.com/2012/05/11/youtube-considering-introducing-subscription-based-streaming-service/

http://adage.com/article/digital/youtube-set-introduce-paid-subscriptions-spring/239437/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270489/YouTube-takes-TV-subscription-channel-plan-charging-3-month.html

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/30/youtube_subscriptions_coming_says_report/

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/technology/reports-youtube-considering-subscription-channels/49760

Those are about channels but the one I saw was about all of us so maybe they are going to try this on a per channel basis first?
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #165 on: December 07, 2013, 07:25:38 am »

Now if ALL of my audience, or even the majority of my audience wanted me to move away from youtube then I'd certainly consider doing it (and take the financial hit)

No, don't even think about that, Dave.  You're not in this for altruism, it's your vocation, and you have a family that depends on you.

Stand for what you believe in, by all means -- but don't hurt yourself in the process.  It's not worth it.
That right there is why Google won.  Thanks for playing.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #166 on: December 07, 2013, 08:21:54 am »

Now if ALL of my audience, or even the majority of my audience wanted me to move away from youtube then I'd certainly consider doing it (and take the financial hit)

No, don't even think about that, Dave.  You're not in this for altruism, it's your vocation, and you have a family that depends on you.

Stand for what you believe in, by all means -- but don't hurt yourself in the process.  It's not worth it.
That right there is why Google won.  Thanks for playing.

When was the last time you walked away from an income because you didn't like the rules?  And how did that work out for you?
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #167 on: December 07, 2013, 01:29:18 pm »

Now if ALL of my audience, or even the majority of my audience wanted me to move away from youtube then I'd certainly consider doing it (and take the financial hit)

No, don't even think about that, Dave.  You're not in this for altruism, it's your vocation, and you have a family that depends on you.

Stand for what you believe in, by all means -- but don't hurt yourself in the process.  It's not worth it.
That right there is why Google won.  Thanks for playing.

When was the last time you walked away from an income because you didn't like the rules?  And how did that work out for you?
I have done it several times in my life and never regretted it.  I have this thing called morals and scruples and they are not for sale.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #168 on: December 07, 2013, 01:56:23 pm »
Morals and scruples really have nothing to do with it, though I can appreciate taking a stand for something you feel strongly about.

Most people wouldn't do that, and with good reason.  In China and Taiwan, they refer to it as "breaking the rice bowl" -- culturally not such a good thing.

I'm glad you never regretted it, but it would be foolish of Dave to work against what he's worked so hard to build.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #169 on: December 07, 2013, 02:47:54 pm »
So, you rather take it up the poop shoot and allow them to walk all over you just for the lousy bit of money you are making? 

No. What part of the "it will hurt my viewers who still choose to watch through youtube" didn't you understand?
The vast majority of my users watch via youtube, and youtube alone.
THAT is the primary reason I'm sticking with youtube.
If you don't agree, fine, but please don't give me shit for caring about my audience and how they chose to watch my content. It's not just about me and my hatred of this G+ change.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #170 on: December 07, 2013, 02:51:35 pm »
I'm glad you never regretted it, but it would be foolish of Dave to work against what he's worked so hard to build.

It's not just that, I'm one of the few full time youtubers (except the mega stars) who would stand a good chance of surviving dumping Youtube. But like I said, it's not just about me. My audience chose to watch me on youtube, so I stick with it. Even if I had a million bucks and didn't need the money, I'd still stick with youtube because my audience would want me to.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #171 on: December 07, 2013, 02:54:48 pm »
I am looking but this one report had one of the Google, or it was YT, exces spouting off about going for pay since adblock plus, and no script, was hurting revenues.
I did just find this from 2012 http://nypost.com/2012/05/11/youtube-considering-introducing-subscription-based-streaming-service/

You've got that completely wrong. Youtube never had any intention at all of forcing channels into charging for content to view it. It's just a "premium" content option if a channel owner chooses to use it. Never happened for the masses anyway, I don't have access to it.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #172 on: December 07, 2013, 03:00:46 pm »
No, don't even think about that, Dave.  You're not in this for altruism, it's your vocation, and you have a family that depends on you.
Stand for what you believe in, by all means -- but don't hurt yourself in the process.  It's not worth it.

The point is moot, because hardly anyone would want me to switch from Youtube anyway.
 

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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #173 on: December 08, 2013, 03:57:22 pm »
I am looking but this one report had one of the Google, or it was YT, exces spouting off about going for pay since adblock plus, and no script, was hurting revenues.
I did just find this from 2012 http://nypost.com/2012/05/11/youtube-considering-introducing-subscription-based-streaming-service/

You've got that completely wrong. Youtube never had any intention at all of forcing channels into charging for content to view it. It's just a "premium" content option if a channel owner chooses to use it. Never happened for the masses anyway, I don't have access to it.
I bet it was a PR scare tactic they were doing and I said when I read it (wish I could have found the link but oh, well) but you, me, and everyone else on Youtube have been immensely hurt by AdBlock plus.  Google has been really hurt with noscript and Adblock plus because it removes all revenue from them, and us.  Don't try and tell me that out of 4k views I made nothing from it and that is due to adblock plus mainly.  No one is kidding anyone about adblock plus hurting everyone but you know what is funny, Dave, about the ADP fiasco?  When I went scanning to understand why people were watching my videos and I wasn't getting jack for the views (this is when I saw the snippet with the YT exec saying they were thinking about going pay) I stumbled onto a lot of channels against ADP.  Know what the overwhelming response was from their comments?  I was a tad shocked by it but the overwhelming people told them all to get a job and stop trying to use YT to make money.

So, you have an audience.  You quit your day job to make YT work for you (grats on that part your hard work and time paid off) but your audience, that you care so much about, is more than likely using ADP + noscript so all of your hard work is a few pennies per 10k views if that.

Frankly I do not see how you manage to make any living wage off of YT unless you have 5 million views each vid and you pump out a lot of vids.  I mean I had 8k view spread out over a bunch of videos and made $2.02.  Extrapolate that to a living wage and you can see how bad ADP + Noscript has hurt us now think of Google and what they must be doing about those addons and why they are trying to shove G+ down our throats.  How they think that will make them the revenue they once had before ADP and NoScript is beyond me but I am sure this was a huge factor in it in back room underhanded discussions.  Most companies would have just admitted G+ was a failure and move on OR try and make it way better and something people would want to flock to not be demanded to have it.
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Re: RANT: Big New Youtube Google+ Changes Nov 2013
« Reply #174 on: December 08, 2013, 04:17:34 pm »
Honestly, the only reason I watch the EEVBlog videos on You Tube is because that's where they're hosted.

If they were hosted elsewhere, I'd watch them there.

I have a You Tube account, but have never uploaded anything to it. Instead I have used Vimeo, less restrictions, it was free (unless I wanted more space or longer video uploads).

I recently added adblock to my Chrome browser, why? Because I HATE all of the freaking commercials that come up on You Tube now. When it was just the banner at the bottom of a video, I could click on to close, that was fine. but now there's ads between videos, some you can't skip, some are 30+ minutes long (though, those ones you can skip), but still if, I put on a playlist and walk away because I'm listening to the stream, more than watching it, I now have to sit through those ads listening to them.

In short, if the videos started being hosted elsewhere, I'd gladly watch there.
 


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