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« on: February 17, 2018, 10:10:53 am »
Hiyo ^.^

I'm a second semester electrical engineering student. I have been playing around with kits and broken electronics sine i was pretty young but my tool kit has always been laughably basic (screwdrivers, pliers, Walmart multi meter & soldering iron, and what ever salvage parts I had). This semester has been amazing because it has been alot of lab time. Where I have gotten to get my hands on some really cool tools for the first time. We are encouraged to utilize the lab during study periods for our own projects but this amounts to just a few hours a week (not nearly enough for an electron-junkie XD) So I want to build a semi-decent lab in my apartment. I am your standard broke student who lives off of whoopers from work so I don't have alot of money I can spare. So I am casting a wide net to see if anyone has any old equipment or components they wanted to get rid of for relativity cheap.

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Re: Wanted: Any cheap equipment or parts for a student
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2018, 11:08:27 am »
Welcome to the forum. What type of electronics are you interested in?
Can you list in detail or show us (even better) what equipment or work space you have currently? What gear have you been using at University (know any brands/models)?

Are you interested in anything specific or just anything? Vintage equipment or new equipment? How much can you contribute towards the cost, e.g. I assume you don't have a decent multimeter or oscilloscope how much can you contribute towards something reliable that should carry you through your studies?
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Re: Wanted: Any cheap equipment or parts for a student
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2018, 11:22:47 am »
Welcome to the forum !
I suggest you get some cheap new stuff, rather then some old cheap(free) stuff. You might have more fun with it and you won't get discouraged because that old gear might be harder to use(depends on how old it is) and break more easily. But also don't get the absolute cheapest new stuff, because that could also result in you getting discouraged. Edit: The old gear might also be more expensive in the end, than new.
Aneng seems to make some decent DMMs for beginners. Nothing to work on mains though. But for that you can use the gear at the uni. As for a soldering iron a would recommend the TS100. It's a bit pricey, but definitely worth it. Otherwise get the YIHUA station from Hobbyking.
I wound't already decided into what field of electronics I would go. Get some general use gear and let time decide what you wanna do. Specialize later on. That's what I did.
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Re: Wanted: Any cheap equipment or parts for a student
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2018, 02:32:42 pm »
Don't put down the "laughably basic" start.  You are not alone.  Your description perfectly fits my beginnings ... as it will for a lot of people here.

In some ways, getting into electronics with such limited resources is an excellent way to learn a lot.  You have to think more carefully and have a clearer understanding to track down faults.

But getting a few more bits on the workbench can make things easier.....


Getting the things you need is the trick - and often, you won't know what you need until you need it!   As a bonus, what you might end up with for your lab, is likely to have a number of differences to that of other people's labs.  It will depend a lot on the area(s) of electronics that you are interested in. - so tell us this and people might be better able to help you out.

Having said that, it is always good to see what others have put together as a general guide ... and Dave has done just this for you and others like you.

Have a watch of this and take notes.  You might see some things and say "Yes!" and other things may not be so obvious ... yet.

Some important things:
 1. Don't try and get everything all at once.  You could end up spending a lot of money for stuff you may not need for a while.  (With limited budget, that tends to take care of itself.)
 2. Don't buy expensive things because they look cool or you think you will need them.  Wait until you know you need them, because when you know that, you will know why you need them and what features you need in them.
 3. It is almost certain that a fair bit of the gear you get when starting out will not be the gear at the front of your workbench in a few years time - so purchase accordingly.

Have a look here for ideas....
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Re: Wanted: Any cheap equipment or parts for a student
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2018, 04:51:18 pm »
Thank you guys so much for all the welcomes and advice. ^^ At the college we mostly are messing with more industrial type systems but sometimes I get to play with what i would call more consumer systems. Like yesterday I got to take a crack at troubleshooting a fault in a hot water bath from the 3D printer lab.

I really have a interest in about everything. I want to know how anything that gets put in my hands works. At home what usually gets put in my hands is consumer electronics from the biglots or gamestops dumpsters in town. I really enjoy repair work the most right now. Because most of my projects are coming from dumpsters i guess i have kinda gotten addicted to the feeling of fixing something everybody else thought was worthless. It kinda makes me feel clever honestly XD. I also love circuit building when i get frustrated with something ill relax by turning on bigclive, eevbolg, or electroboom and break out my little breadboard and makeing simple circuits.

My current tools are two Walmart multi-meters. A 8-in-1 screwdriver. A couple dollar tree percesion screw driver sets (because I break them like crazy XD) a Walmart soldering iron with a few tips. a couple of pliers. A computer power supply I use as a bench top supply. A small bread board. and a "oscilloscope" I made (just a mini CRT I converted its useless for measurement but its let me see some different wave forms  and kinda explore a little bit) and then I just have random salvage that ive gotten over time that i use as my stock pile of parts

I really don't have much to spend most of my big bucks from burger king goes to rent and food I have 50ish dollars i can spare right now and i hope to save a bit from each check to build my lab with slowly I saw the 1500 lab video before I never knew he had put out a much lower starter cost video. I had no ideal I could get a soldering station for so cheap. :3

Again thank you guys for being so welcoming <3 A few of my classmates are very unwelcoming of me being in the program so I was a little worried joining the forum I would find more of that   
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Re: Wanted: Any cheap equipment or parts for a student
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2018, 12:31:19 am »
It would help to know where you are located.
I would think that many on this forum would have stuff to give away or let go for very cheap, but might not want to go through the trouble of shipping it.
 

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Re: Wanted: Any cheap equipment or parts for a student
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2018, 02:15:12 am »
Sorry I didn't even think about that ^^' Im in the southwest VA-East TN border area
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Re: Wanted: Any cheap equipment or parts for a student
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2018, 02:26:40 am »
My current tools are two Walmart multi-meters. A 8-in-1 screwdriver. A couple dollar tree percesion screw driver sets (because I break them like crazy XD) a Walmart soldering iron with a few tips. a couple of pliers. A computer power supply I use as a bench top supply. A small bread board. and a "oscilloscope" I made (just a mini CRT I converted its useless for measurement but its let me see some different wave forms  and kinda explore a little bit) and then I just have random salvage that ive gotten over time that i use as my stock pile of parts
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Again thank you guys for being so welcoming <3 A few of my classmates are very unwelcoming of me being in the program so I was a little worried joining the forum I would find more of that
When I started my EE degree in the 70's, there were a couple of females in the class.  They were noticed - but nobody thought any less of them (that I noticed).  It was more of a curiosity - wondering how they might go.  A few weeks in and there was no gender bias that I noticed - but there were a few people who seemed a little less "engineering minded".  That was a distinctly male subset.  The attitude of your "unwelcoming" classmates was uncivilised 40 years ago - so that doesn't say much about it now.  If anything, I'd guess they were worried that a female might "show them up" ... unless it's an even greater insecurity and they simply have to "protect" their little kingdom.  Some of them might wake up one day - but some, sadly, will be like that for the rest of their lives.

We do have a number of female members here - but the majority are male (from my observation).  Our greatest sin is frequently referring to a member as a male due to this being the higher probability - but on occasion, that is wrong ... and we usually get told!  However, if you identify yourself as female and visit here enough so that we can get that through our collective skulls, we should get it right ... eventually.

Here, the only differences that are really noticed are of skills and interests.  Gender may play a part in bench pressing 100Kg - but it matters naught in bench pressing FFT.


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Re: Wanted: Any cheap equipment or parts for a student
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2018, 03:54:58 am »
I'd aim for a Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope and forgo even getting something secondhand, it's sort of like a waste of money in your position gambling on secondhand gear. They are on special at $350 shipped at the moment from tequipment.net and with the Eevblog 6% discount code that should drop another $20 off.

See if you can hook a few family members into contributing long term loans of $50 here and there and forgo or call in early birthday and xmas presents. You're almost a 1/6 of the way there already.

The scope comes with extra features to unlock more bandwidth and signal decoding. This is more than enough if you are keen on learning to carry you through your studies. If your not using the gear to learn though they become paper weights.

For a multimeter upgrade to something in the $20-50 range will land you something ok for low voltage (non mains level) electronics. Then a Chinese LCR/ESR tester perhaps with a signal generator for around $20.

That will set you up test equipment wise for around $400.

Focus on the soldering station as lower priority, but the Hakko FX888D is a good entry level model. Soldering is all about technique and preparation you don't need to spend big money to get a decent result but buying anything else again is a bit of a waste as these stations are so affordable in the US.

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Re: Wanted: Any cheap equipment or parts for a student
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2018, 04:44:24 am »
Hi Raven, welcome to the forum. This link is to Marco Reps YT video regarding the following link to the actual buy page for this vary affordable oscilloscope, which I own as well and highly recommend for a beginner. Later, when you are a fancy EE engineer making Megabuck, you can buy one of the high end scopes.  >:D



The scope:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABMK58K0827&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-EC+-+Test+%26+Measurement-_-9SIABMK58K0827&gclid=Cj0KCQiAwp_UBRD7ARIsAMie3XYyNtLbIWm1rvzKeiHOxc0Xb48HXVLxijnVkNIpUKAEDTNuYD2CjbMaAglhEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

You will be received well here, as most of us are professionals and work with other professionals of all genders.

Hope this helps, unfortunately, I have only the equipment needed to support my hobby and can't give any up. You have a good start on tools, the soldering iron that you have should suffice until you can get a newer/better one, and Walmart meters are fine as long as you don't start fooling with high voltage such as mains level voltages. You will learn as you go exactly what tools that you are needing the most and get them one at a time. Hand tools are a personal choice and you will understand what you need as you go along.

Edit: Adding some other YT links that may be helpful:
https://www.youtube.com/user/reppesis/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/ContourCorsets/videos?disable_polymer=1
https://www.youtube.com/user/w2aew/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzml9bXoEM0itbcE96CB03w/videos?disable_polymer=1
https://www.youtube.com/user/jeriellsworth/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/greatscottlab/videos
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Re: Wanted: Any cheap equipment or parts for a student
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2018, 04:49:21 am »
I'd aim for a Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope and forgo even getting something secondhand, it's sort of like a waste of money in your position gambling on secondhand gear. They are on special at $350 shipped at the moment from tequipment.net and with the Eevblog 6% discount code that should drop another $20 off.

See if you can hook a few family members into contributing long term loans of $50 here and there and forgo or call in early birthday and xmas presents. You're almost a 1/6 of the way there already.

The scope comes with extra features to unlock more bandwidth and signal decoding. This is more than enough if you are keen on learning to carry you through your studies. If your not using the gear to learn though they become paper weights.

For a multimeter upgrade to something in the $20-50 range will land you something ok for low voltage (non mains level) electronics. Then a Chinese LCR/ESR tester perhaps with a signal generator for around $20.

That will set you up test equipment wise for around $400.

Focus on the soldering station as lower priority, but the Hakko FX888D is a good entry level model. Soldering is all about technique and preparation you don't need to spend big money to get a decent result but buying anything else again is a bit of a waste as these stations are so affordable in the US.


I'd argue it's the other way around. You can't afford to mess around with buying new gear when there's excellent second hand stuff to be had. You have to be smart about what you buy, buy you can get like new or near new stuff at a very nice discount. Buying new means throwing away at least 20-30% the moment you pay, while second hand gear has already lost the overhead of buying new, though you can get much nicer deals if you pay attention.

And borrowing money? That's a terrible habit to get into if you're already on a knife's edge.
 

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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2018, 12:35:51 pm »
Sure if you can get something as good or better than the Rigol delivered and with warranty for under $320 then go for it.
Borrowing is fine as long as you avoid interest, pay it off and it's towards something that will benefit you financially long term.

Nothing wrong with secondhand but you're likely to spend a few bucks on postage unless you want to do legwork and then there is the lack of warranty. The only way you're really going to "save" money (which is a misnomer) is buying something cheaper than it commonly sells for, which is true for the Rigol in this case. Otherwise you're buying something just older and not necessarily as good value.
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Re: Wanted: Any cheap equipment or parts for a student
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2018, 05:52:24 pm »
Can you post a pic of your "scope"?  I'm curious how you managed that; it shows a level of resourcefulness that is not very common.

Free or cheap generally means older, which means it will have significant mass which can make shipping an issue.  DSOs have been a paradigm shift, but that doesn't mean you can't get useful info from an older analog scope, certainly at the initial levels. 

Fixing old test equipment can be an inexpensive way to outfit a lab and a great learning experience.  Nothing teaches better than working through an instrument to understand WHY it is not working like it should and identifying the root cause.

Do you need to be able to do this to be an EE?  no, just like you can be an ME and never touch a wrench, but it will make you a better one.

Building equipment is another avenue, particularly if you build your own design.  Packaging can be a problem, unless you have access to a maker space or machine shop.  Power supplies are always a good candidate particularly if you're good at scrounging.  Here though, it's probably less expensive to buy a dead HP triple output power supply off of ebay and fix it.
Still, you can build lots of useful gizmos based on small processor boards and they can be very cheap.

If you're associated with a college or univerisity, sometimes you can get samples from the major manufacturers.

Anyway, I gotta move my lab in a couple months and I have to weed out some stuff, drop me a PM and we'll see if there's anything you can use.
 

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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2018, 04:28:12 am »
Sorry for the late reply I'm finshing some homework up before its due tonight and then i will be back with some pics of my franken-scope and workbench. XD
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2018, 09:46:59 am »
Here is my fraken-scope and bench. The scope is just a old camping tv I found in my dads garage one time. All I did was was change the connections of the coils and add a connection for my multi-meter leads. So what happens is when theirs voltage across the leads its running through the coils changing where the ray gun is sending the beam. So as the signal is changing so is the beam.

yea I know $50 isn't a lot at all ^^' but its what I have right now so I have to try to make it work. I'm saving everything extra I get in so over time I think I should be able to build something up ^^  I don't make much more then I need to live. So new several $100 scopes that make my mouth water sadly aren't really possible for me right now. My Dad lives off of SSI and the watchmaking he does so hes not really in a position to loan me anything. He would if I asked him. Hes really proud of me for what i'm doing but I couldn't do that to him. I was thinking about shipping the other day so I was playing with USPS website. According to there calculator I can ship a 15''x15''x15'' 20lb package for $27 priority 3-day it wouldn't tell me how much the lowest regular shipping would be. So I was planing on going to the PO across the street tomorrow to ask.

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Re: Wanted: Any cheap equipment or parts for a student
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2018, 09:53:48 am »
Go talk to all the lab techs in every tech dept. in your college - it may well be they have  interesting stuff that's due to be discarded.
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2018, 10:07:08 am »
If you hunt around on Aliexpress.com you can find some quite useful through-hole parts kits - 600 resistors for $2.40, 200 transistors (ten different types) for $2.38, 16 Voltage regulators for $2.63, 25 dual op-amps for $1.99, capacitor assortments, LED assortments, diode assortments and so on. Perfect for breadboarding with.

You two will know the excitement of receiving brown envelopes from China, containing parts that you don't remember ever ordering.

If you can, get the kits that come in their own storage boxes - a shoebox full of unlabelled bags is just depressing when you know you have the very part you need in there somewhere!


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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2018, 10:24:32 am »
I do know the joy of packages from china XD I order small pcb $1 kits alot to practice soldering with. I never tried aliexpress. I also have never ordered components. I know there cheap from china I just dont know how to store them in a sensible way that wont make me go mad XD my current system works because I have pretty good memory. "Crap I need a 100k resistor...oh wait didnt that DVD player I took apart have a few" *goes digging through my bin of scrap boards*
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2018, 10:33:00 am »
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Go talk to all the lab techs in every tech dept. in your college - it may well be they have  interesting stuff that's due to be discarded.

They say they can't just get rid of it where it was bought with government money. I asked about a relay trainer that one professor was replacing. He said he would absolutely give it away if he could but they have to go through such a long process just to be allowed to throw it away. They instead send it to the state who sends it to smaller colleges.
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2018, 10:38:12 am »
Bang for buck gear: DPS5005 module for a power supply, TS100 soldering iron, Saleae logic analyzer clone (bought a 16 channel Sigrok compatible model and it works greath, Owon VDS1022(I) USB oscilloscope ......
 

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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2018, 10:41:36 am »
Sure if you can get something as good or better than the Rigol delivered and with warranty for under $320 then go for it.
Borrowing is fine as long as you avoid interest, pay it off and it's towards something that will benefit you financially long term.

Nothing wrong with secondhand but you're likely to spend a few bucks on postage unless you want to do legwork and then there is the lack of warranty. The only way you're really going to "save" money (which is a misnomer) is buying something cheaper than it commonly sells for, which is true for the Rigol in this case. Otherwise you're buying something just older and not necessarily as good value.
I'm not sure why you consider saving money to be a misnomer. It's obvious raventheawesome needs appropriate tools for her hobby, education and eventual job, so it's not a matter of frivolous spending. If you're going to buy an oscilloscope, anything you don't spend is money saved and money you can spend on something else. If your budget is small, you need to make every cent count.

Buying new is a luxury. Having a warranty is nice, but often comes at a substantial cost. For the $320 you suggest spending on an oscilloscope, I've bought a number of more than decent current or last generation instruments in new or near new condition, including a two channel 50 MHz DSO. Even if one breaks after a few months of use, you still come out on top. I couldn't have come close to the lab I have now if I would have bought everything new. This has lead to a disappointment or two where things don't quite pan out, but has ultimately allowed me to stretch the same money much farther.

Of course, raventheawesome has a few advantages. She is lucky enough to live in a place where quality second hand test gear is plentiful and relatively cheap. This allows for a number of strategies, which include hunting down cheap modern tools, finding even cheaper boat anchors or repairing broken tools. Having access to a properly equipped lab is a huge boon too, as buying or blagging broken gear to fix becomes viable. Having something break on you isn't as much of an issue either, especially considering the collective EEVBlog forum knowledge is on tap.
 

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Re: Wanted: Any cheap equipment or parts for a student
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2018, 10:58:21 am »
raventheawesome, I would suggest investing in tools that will serve you for some time to come. You don't have to buy top notch stuff right away, but it's no use spending money on something that's not up to the job. For this reason I would avoid something like one of those DSO kits. They're great fun to play with, but not that great if you're trying to use it as a proper tool. That's one mistake I made myself. With just $50 to play with, I would say buying one usable item might be a better choice than buying more that aren't very useful. It shouldn't be impossible to find a good two channel analogue oscilloscope for that money, for example.

What tool are you currently in need of the most?
 

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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2018, 11:11:18 am »
I wouldn't mind doing some spring cleaning in the lab.

Shipping may be an issue though.
 

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Re: Wanted: Any cheap equipment or parts for a student
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2018, 06:53:45 pm »
I have some unused items, including one that says "Rigol" on the front, and shipping from NC is not a problem.  PM sent.
 
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Re: Wanted: Any cheap equipment or parts for a student
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2018, 11:27:02 pm »
I'm really moved by all the help you guys have given. I never expected such a out pour of support from the community. I came in brand new to the forum and everyone welcomed me with such open arms and help. All of you guys get a official seal of awesomeness because your all awesomely awesome. Because of amazing generosity I am able to set up a real work bench that will allow me to dive so much deeper into electronics I already have so many projects planned that ill post for all of you guys to see :) It would be incredibly awkward for this introvert to deny someone who offered me help ^^' so to avoid that im just making this post letting everyone know I'm all set. Again thank you guys so much!
 
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