WTB (UK/EU): Engineer PA-09 crimp tool

[HwAoRrDk]

I am looking for an Engineer PA-09 crimp tool, and thought I would see if there is anyone here who has one they don't need any more and are willing to sell.

Alternatively, the PA-20 would mostly satisfy my potential needs, so might consider that instead if the price is right.

[neslekkim]

you know you have an seller for these in UK, right?
http://www.precisehandtools.com/

[AndyC_772]

They have an Ebay store too. I bought one a few weeks ago.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/universal-mini-micro-crimping-tool-molex-kk-zh-jst-xh-sl-amp-jst-engineer-PA-09-/251268499824

[neslekkim]

yes, I bought loads of stuff from them, got good deal on shipping to Norway even.
Had to do it through email since ebay (atleast then) just added shipping on each item.
Great people to deal with.

[Kjelt]

I bought them directly from the manufacturer through amazon, I got a very polite and nice thank you and have a wonderfull life with some original green japanese tea. 

[HwAoRrDk]

Yes, I am aware that they are readily available to me on eBay or Amazon. But I'm looking for a used one for less money.

[HighVoltage]

That is a nice looking crimp tool for small terminals.
Thanks for sharing this one, I ordered one.

[nctnico]

I'd never use a non-ratchet crimp tool! Crimping is a cold welding process which needs to have a certain amount of pressure applied. Also a ratchet tool usually crimps both the contact and the strain relief in one go.

[Kjelt]

I'd never use a non-ratchet crimp tool! Crimping is a cold welding process which needs to have a certain amount of pressure applied. Also a ratchet tool usually crimps both the contact and the strain relief in one go.

In theory I agree with you which means that you have to order the manufacturers dedicated ratchet crimp tool for each and every connector costing over $200 each up to $800 for each and every single type of connector out there. This might be feasible for a small or large business making money out of them but for hobbieists this is a big no-go.

Alternatively there are clones, so I bought Chinese clones costing $25 and throw them away because they were garbage and messed up the crimp, there are many topics on this forum about this, search for Dupont and SJT.

The Engineer PA tool has a very good die which means although you have to manually apply the force and for some connectors have to crimp twice the crimp is good and decent.
The under or overapplication of force might take some work in practice it works fast.
What I do not like is that the connector is not hold in place which is the case with the expensive manufacturers ratchet crimping tools so three hands would be usefull 

[AndyC_772]

Number of crimps required to get the job done = 4

Required quality level = laboratory use by me only

Price of genuine Molex crimp tool, ~£300

Price of PA-09, £40

[HighVoltage]

I'd never use a non-ratchet crimp tool! Crimping is a cold welding process which needs to have a certain amount of pressure applied. Also a ratchet tool usually crimps both the contact and the strain relief in one go.

For many terminals I have the expensive ratchet crimp tools.
But for some laboratory (One-At-A-Time) terminals it just does not make sense to invest in every single special tool. So, this one might be perfect for that.

I find some of these ratchet crimp tools outrageously expensive. Having a full drawer of it makes it a small investment. And it even does not make any sense, that they are so expensive these days.
 

[Kjelt]

I find some of these ratchet crimp tools outrageously expensive. Having a full drawer of it makes it a small investment. And it even does not make any sense, that they are so expensive these days.

Numbers sold are low, but what I really really would love is a very good ratchet tool with multiple replaceable diesets for the most common connectors.
If the tool itself is $200 and the dies are around $40 each that would be a very good expandable base system. Unfortunately every connector manufacturer sells their own crimptools and they are all targeted for major businesses.

[nali]

I bought a PA-09 and PA-21 (bigger) for prototyping / proof of concept, they're pretty good all rounders.

Not quite so good for some connectors e.g. JST which have especially long "ears" for the strain relief part of the crimp. But a quick snip prior to crimping sorts that out.

[HighVoltage]

Numbers sold are low, but what I really really would love is a very good ratchet tool with multiple replaceable diesets for the most common connectors.
If the tool itself is $200 and the dies are around $40 each that would be a very good expandable base system. Unfortunately every connector manufacturer sells their own crimptools and they are all targeted for major businesses.

Look at Knipex and Rennsteig (High Quality section of Knipex)
All made in Germany and they have a huge selection of tools and replaceable dies.
https://www.rennsteig.com/en/products/crimping
And these are really nice universal ratcheted crimp tools, made in Germany.
And the prices are acceptable.

[Kjelt]

Look at Knipex and Rennsteig (High Quality section of Knipex)
All made in Germany and they have a huge selection of tools and replaceable dies.
https://www.rennsteig.com/en/products/crimping
And these are really nice universal ratcheted crimp tools, made in Germany.
And the prices are acceptable.

Thanks I have one of those for the (don't know the english names) isolated and non-isolated shoeconnectors used in cars, aderendhulzen (cableend connectors ) and sorts.
But I was talking about the specialty connectors from Amp, JST, Molex, Dupont, those that need sometimes a double crimp, one for the cable and one for the conductor, I have not found a universal die system that can handle those. For those connectors I use the pioneer.

[HighVoltage]

Look at Knipex and Rennsteig (High Quality section of Knipex)
All made in Germany and they have a huge selection of tools and replaceable dies.
https://www.rennsteig.com/en/products/crimping
And these are really nice universal ratcheted crimp tools, made in Germany.
And the prices are acceptable.

Thanks I have one of those for the (don't know the english names) isolated and non-isolated shoeconnectors used in cars, aderendhulzen (cableend connectors ) and sorts.

aderendhulzen = ferrule

But I was talking about the specialty connectors from Amp, JST, Molex, Dupont, those that need sometimes a double crimp, one for the cable and one for the conductor, I have not found a universal die system that can handle those. For those connectors I use the pioneer.

I heard that some of the terminal manufactures have protected their intellectual properties with patents, copyrights and trademarks so that nobody is allowed to copy their special crimping tools / dies.

[Kjelt]

I heard that some of the terminal manufactures have protected their intellectual properties with patents, copyrights and trademarks so that nobody is allowed to copy their special crimping tools / dies.

That is probably the reason there are no generic tools with exchangable dies available 

[HwAoRrDk]

Now everyone has debated the merits of ratcheting vs non-ratcheting, the absurd pricing of manufacturer tools, and swappable dies... back to the actual subject of this thread:

Does anyone have a used PA-09 they want to sell?

[donkey77]

I know, I know, sorry to go back off topic but don't these pressmaster multi die tools do both the conductor and the insulation? http://www.pressmaster.se/product/mct_die73#.WZ3q7XOIuW0.link

[Dave]

Last year I bought this tool directly from Japan from a seller on Rakuten. The total with shipping was 4415 JPY, considerably cheaper than most eBay offers.

[HighVoltage]

You can also look at the HOZAN P-706
May be it is cheaper
It is also a very nice tool from Japan
http://www.hozan.co.jp/E/catalog/Crimpers/P706.html

[mr.os]

There is also a HOZAN P-707 with ratchet. At first look it's promising. You can buy it on ebay for around 80$ which is in my opinion not cheap but okay for this type of tool. It is not so much more than the Engineer or the simpler Hozan crimp tool.

When I read it right Hozan should be a brand manufacturer with good tools? Than (after a couple of cheap different chinese crimping tools) I will try the ratchet one...

[noidea]

I have some Hozan bicycle repair tools, they are good quality so they should be ok

[nctnico]

I'd never use a non-ratchet crimp tool! Crimping is a cold welding process which needs to have a certain amount of pressure applied. Also a ratchet tool usually crimps both the contact and the strain relief in one go.

For many terminals I have the expensive ratchet crimp tools.
But for some laboratory (One-At-A-Time) terminals it just does not make sense to invest in every single special tool. So, this one might be perfect for that.

You can buy decent ratchet crimpers for $50 to $100. As a bonus they typically crimp the conductor and insulation in one go.

[WackyGerman]

Just look for the CIMCO click n crimp tool , Nr. 10 600 2 . It s a really good tool and you can crimp almost everything because you can buy many different crimping profiles and just click the right one in the tool to go ahead . And it is not that expensive , the price is 99 Eur. at Ebay