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Offline philbx1

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Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« on: March 12, 2011, 10:54:07 pm »
Hi all,

Just a quick message and nostalgic thought of when the internet in the past was all
about people actually helping others.

Just searched for a datasheet on a transitor, and as usual came up mostly with bogus sites
offering some form of membership and payment to actually see these datasheets.

Now after lost time searching I'm wondering how we could affect these 'Datasheet Pirate' idiots and their stupid ploys...

 

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2011, 12:25:55 am »
I always go straight to either www.alldatasheet.com or www.datasheetarchive.com . If I can't find what I am looking for there then I might go peck around the manufacturers website for awhile. If I still can't find what I am looking for I generally decide it is not worth my time looking further because the part is either very rare and having very little documentation or is an ASIC that was designed for a specific application and thus there probably is no public documentation available even though those Google searches may reveal something promising until you are confronted with the "buy a membership here" thing that you describe.
 

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2011, 12:43:27 am »
if the site ask to register or payment, i'll click the "x" button top right.
if something can select, how cant it be intelligent? if something is intelligent, how cant it exist?
 

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2011, 02:05:57 am »
I hate those sites.  Especially the ones that somehow grab anything that looks like a component part number and when you go there, there's no listing for what you're after!
 

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2011, 02:17:02 am »
Usually I go straight to datasheetcatalog.com. No annoying popus or membership or whatever.
If I can't find what I'm looking for there I try to find the manufacturer and only do a Google search as an absolute last resort.
 

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2011, 02:21:24 am »
octopart.com, and if one needs to resort to google, adding filetype:pdf helps prune most of the crap out
 

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2011, 05:06:45 am »
This pinned topic on datasheets in the Beginners section should be useful.

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=14.0
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2011, 10:30:25 am »
Hi all,

Just a quick message and nostalgic thought of when the internet in the past was all
about people actually helping others.

Just searched for a datasheet on a transitor, and as usual came up mostly with bogus sites
offering some form of membership and payment to actually see these datasheets.

Now after lost time searching I'm wondering how we could affect these 'Datasheet Pirate' idiots and their stupid ploys...



The internet is dumb - you need to manipulate it to get results - can sometimes be VERY tedious. Tell me what datasheet you need, and I guarantee you I will find it for you, and post a link here.
 

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2011, 12:59:09 pm »
Sometimes if you can track down the filename for a datasheet you want (from old urls that are now bad or from sites that have the file but want to sell it). You can then google that filename and find the file hosted somewhere else.

Works quite well for service manuals.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2011, 01:20:34 pm »
Sometimes if you can track down the filename for a datasheet you want (from old urls that are now bad or from sites that have the file but want to sell it). You can then google that filename and find the file hosted somewhere else.

Works quite well for service manuals.

Agreed. There has rarely been anything I couldn't find - I am one determined, focussed guy, and I'm stuffed if some silly collection of networked computers is gonna flummox me :D

If you can't be bothered, pass the filename or item description my way. I GUARANTEE I will find it.
 

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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2011, 10:11:28 pm »
I find the best way to find data sheets is to follow the part numbe with filetype:pdf in Google.

Click on the link below for an example:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=74HC14+filetype:pdf&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest
 

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2011, 12:08:42 am »
yes lately I've found it easier to go to the manufacturers website although alldatasheets.com seems to come tops on search results these days. There was a time I was really fed up with these pirates. some websites should not be allowed on the net
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2011, 01:53:42 am »
snip ...some websites should not be allowed on the net

I agree, but how do you propose to stop them?

The internet is almost organic - it has evolved and grown; it is not some private organisation, it is free and open.
 

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2011, 02:37:23 am »
sadly you can't reguklate the internet, the companies making the parts could stipulate that information about their parts cannot be sold in any way but by themselves but then what do they care ?
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2011, 02:45:35 am »
yes lately I've found it easier to go to the manufacturers website although alldatasheets.com seems to come tops on search results these days. There was a time I was really fed up with these pirates. some websites should not be allowed on the net
Yes, a simple copyright notice stating that the owner grants permission for the datasheet can be redistributed but only free of charge, then taking the pirates to court.
 

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2011, 02:51:03 am »
I can't see why any manufactuere is happy for people to make money on others with their information. It is basically piracy
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2011, 04:57:00 am »
sadly you can't reguklate the internet, the companies making the parts could stipulate that information about their parts cannot be sold in any way but by themselves but then what do they care ?

Sadly? You HAVE to be joking. Why would anyone want it regulated, and have all our freedoms removed and/or controlled by some big corporations? Seriously, you need to get educated in all things GNU, Stallman and freedom of speech - I wouldn't want the 'net your way, thanks.


Also, how can charging for FREE datasheets be "piracy"?

1/ They were free initially, and if you're stupid enough to PAY for them, that's your problem.

2/ "Piracy" is such a totally incorrect usage of a word which implies the taking over of a ship, murdering, raping of women and theft of the items on the ship. In what way is this analogous to copying things? "Piracy" is a term used in order to stir up drama and fear, over-dramatising what is in fact actually NOTHING LIKE what happens with pirates! :D LOL!

Back to the point; this cannot be "piracy", as they're free.

Never laughed so much! :P
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2011, 05:06:12 am »
complete free range has it's issues too. I've seen a huge drop in "net" quality of the last few years. doing and finding anything has become ever harder. so anyone can buy any amount of domains they don't need just to resell them, anyone can send all the spam they want, the list is endless
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2011, 05:08:52 am »
I mean in the name of freedom of speech a terrorist can insult us in the worst possible way while living freely in this country and claiming benefits, yes I'm refering to the bloke that burnt a poppy, who earns what I earn but I pay 2/3 his wages. If that's what feeedom of speech is well good luck to us all
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2011, 05:21:15 am »
Piracy is TOTALLY the wrong word for the copying and sharing of digital works, and CERTAINLY for... data sheets?  ::)
 

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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2011, 05:25:05 am »
Piracy is TOTALLY the wrong word for the copying and sharing of digital works, and CERTAINLY for... data sheets?  ::)

Well say you made a film or wrote a book and decided to make it freely available. Would you be happy if I came along, made a copy of it and started charging people for it ? I call that piracy of a form, ok the manufacturers don't sell the datasheets why should anyone else.

I used to be ablwe to google a part number + datacheet and instantly get onto the MANUFACTURERS website and download it from the legitimate source up to date and free of charge. But not any more. now it is almost easier to know who made the part and go to their website and get it than googling for it
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2011, 05:34:45 am »
I used to be ablwe to google a part number + datacheet and instantly get onto the MANUFACTURERS website and download it from the legitimate source up to date and free of charge. But not any more. now it is almost easier to know who made the part and go to their website and get it than googling for it

If you're looking for practical solutions instead of things to moan about, Google have just introduced the ability to hide specified domains from your search results...
 

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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2011, 05:38:32 am »
Piracy is TOTALLY the wrong word for the copying and sharing of digital works, and CERTAINLY for... data sheets?  ::)

Well say you made a film or wrote a book and decided to make it freely available. Would you be happy if I came along, made a copy of it and started charging people for it ? I call that piracy of a form, ok the manufacturers don't sell the datasheets why should anyone else.

I used to be ablwe to google a part number + datacheet and instantly get onto the MANUFACTURERS website and download it from the legitimate source up to date and free of charge. But not any more. now it is almost easier to know who made the part and go to their website and get it than googling for it

You're totally missing the point (don't worry, most people do). Forget the forum, forget the internet, forget copying things... close your eyes, and think about exactly what image the word "pirate" conjours up...

It's a nonsense word, hyped for the benefit of capitalist MPAA/RIAA fat cats, to make the act of downloading a film seem morally equivalent to rape and murder. Don't believe me? I suggest you go hunting for Richard Stallman lectures - the guy is a total legend (literally) and a genius.

If I had a film and you copied it? Do you think I would lose sleep worrying over a minority percentage who will ALWAYS rip a DVD or download warez? I'd rather spend my energy improving my software or writing a new screenplay. It's an occupational hazard - you can either factor it in, or spend the rest of your life getting into a rage about it. Let 'em "pirate" the datasheets, seriously, get over it.

PS: MANY, MANY people will download a film or software and then buy it after the fact anyhow. There have been numerous studies and experiments which categorically show this to be the case. The people who download the stuff but don't pay for it are likely never to have bought it ANYWAY, so where is the loss? Seriously, it is not an issue, it is just a fuss and drama made to incriminate everyone - "guilty until proven innocent". BS! I say download my film if you like - I hope you enjoy it, and if your conscience feels like it is a good production, then make a donation or buy it. If you didn't like it, then that's okay with me :)

People are SO ignorant of how copyright should/shouldn't work etc, and "intellectual property law". Seriously, Google Richard Stallman - he made it his life's mission to lecture on these topics, of which he is an aged scholar. You could really benefit from his deeper knowledge.

PPS: How is it possible to "pirate" free things?
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2011, 05:57:59 am »
Well going by correct definitions their not pirates. Just a nuisance. As i said i usually end up on alldatasheets.com or the manufacturers own website and have learnt to miss the pay ones. At the end of the day they are just a bloody nuisance but they are still a nuisance. everywhere you go these days people are trying to charge you for the stupidest things be they real things or so called services or software/data. It's just a pain in the ass. I'm sick of having to dodge pay for paking everywhere I go, sick of downloading programs advertised as "free to download" which is obvious and then after installing it finding they want my money after they implied they didn't. Sick of people trying to sell me datasheets. sick of being charged for a bill (which arrives with plenty of free junk mail) just sick of people trying to screw me for money. I may know how to advoid it etc but still it's a bloody nuisance. There is no more peace in life anymore, as soon as you walk out of the door people want money for stupid things, come home and try and get on the net and it starts again. Geez you even get charged to pay bills these days !!!

Well rant over !  ;D
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Re: Datasheet Pirates. Is there any way to stop these fools?
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2011, 06:00:26 am »
Well going by correct definitions their not pirates. Just a nuisance. As i said i usually end up on alldatasheets.com or the manufacturers own website and have learnt to miss the pay ones. At the end of the day they are just a bloody nuisance but they are still a nuisance. everywhere you go these days people are trying to charge you for the stupidest things be they real things or so called services or software/data. It's just a pain in the ass. I'm sick of having to dodge pay for paking everywhere I go, sick of downloading programs advertised as "free to download" which is obvious and then after installing it finding they want my money after they implied they didn't. Sick of people trying to sell me datasheets. sick of being charged for a bill (which arrives with plenty of free junk mail) just sick of people trying to screw me for money. I may know how to advoid it etc but still it's a bloody nuisance. There is no more peace in life anymore, as soon as you walk out of the door people want money for stupid things, come home and try and get on the net and it starts again. Geez you even get charged to pay bills these days !!!

Well rant over !  ;D

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