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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2015, 06:07:16 am »
I STRONGLY suggest that "fans of Dave" NOT post there with "I like it"-type posts.
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Moreover, a preponderance of non-policy-based "I like it" posts are likely to be not well received. We hope that the admin who closes the discussion would ignore such, but in practice a bunch of Fans Of Dave who show up on WP just to say "I like it! Don't delete it!" are likely to give a negative impresion.

Yes, as Sigmoid suggested some 5 months ago. The very existence and content of this thread rather makes Wikipedia's argument.
As I said before, if I were Dave, I would nuke this entire thread and discourage any discussion of WP.   :palm:
 

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #76 on: October 02, 2015, 04:06:50 pm »
I had hopes that via the thread we would find some qualifying references, but that has not been the case.
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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #77 on: October 02, 2015, 04:27:24 pm »
Insane burocracy is killing Wikipedia, seriously...
Well... this year has been my last donation to Wikipedia. People can still vote with their wallet!
IMHO: If Limor Fried from Adafruit has a Wikipedia page about her (yes she has) then so should Dave.
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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #78 on: October 11, 2015, 10:25:04 pm »
Insane burocracy is killing Wikipedia, seriously...
Well... this year has been my last donation to Wikipedia. People can still vote with their wallet!
IMHO: If Limor Fried from Adafruit has a Wikipedia page about her (yes she has) then so should Dave.


Are  you against women in tech? You are part of the oppression patriarchy!

And she has pink hair, so she must be some kind of eccentric genius or whatever.

Dave? He even doesn't have a engineer degree, despite even worked at Altium and many other companies. Am I wrong?
 

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #79 on: October 11, 2015, 10:37:17 pm »
Insane burocracy is killing Wikipedia, seriously...
Well... this year has been my last donation to Wikipedia. People can still vote with their wallet!
IMHO: If Limor Fried from Adafruit has a Wikipedia page about her (yes she has) then so should Dave.
Are  you against women in tech? You are part of the oppression patriarchy!
And she has pink hair, so she must be some kind of eccentric genius or whatever.
This remark is so stupid I won't dignify it with a response.
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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #80 on: October 11, 2015, 10:39:01 pm »
Insane burocracy is killing Wikipedia, seriously...
Well... this year has been my last donation to Wikipedia. People can still vote with their wallet!
IMHO: If Limor Fried from Adafruit has a Wikipedia page about her (yes she has) then so should Dave.
Are  you against women in tech? You are part of the oppression patriarchy!
And she has pink hair, so she must be some kind of eccentric genius or whatever.
This remark is so stupid I won't dignify it with a response.

You don't need to. I was being sarcastic to the newborn hipster culture ;)

I might do it better, I know. Because most of the time people fail to understand my stupid jokes...
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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #81 on: October 12, 2015, 03:24:20 am »
You don't need to. I was being sarcastic to the newborn hipster culture ;)

I might do it better, I know. Because most of the time people fail to understand my stupid jokes...

Your comment was so over the top I figured that was the case, but in the future it might help to stick something like a winking smiley at the end to drive home that point and help preclude people from taking it too seriously.   ;)

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #82 on: October 12, 2015, 04:37:50 am »
You don't need to. I was being sarcastic to the newborn hipster culture ;)

I might do it better, I know. Because most of the time people fail to understand my stupid jokes...

Your comment was so over the top I figured that was the case, but in the future it might help to stick something like a winking smiley at the end to drive home that point and help preclude people from taking it too seriously.   ;)

-Pat

That would make it less funny!

 I consider it as a therapy for aspie-like traits I myself have, so I try to use it as much as I can as a self therapy method ;)

And if it's due to language barrier: Well, mistakes makes you learn too ;)
 

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #83 on: October 12, 2015, 04:55:43 am »
David needs to ask someone at the SMH to do a full-length article on him and on EEVblog. NOT an interview, since "interviews are primary sources." But per the strict rules, we'd still need another one. Maybe David has other contacts in the industry press (online or otherwise) who could be persuaded to write something similar.

I wouldn't want to do that just the stay on WP, that's pretty tacky.

So why will it get deleted this time when it didn't get deleted last time?, and there is now one extra newspaper article to reference.
Just one question: do you really care whether you're on Wikipedia or not?
 

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #84 on: October 12, 2015, 08:48:09 am »
It's just that things like this seem to be very selectively enforced, and when you have a bunch of rules that are only enforced when people feel like it, it's using the rules as a weapon to do exactly what the rules are supposed to prevent. It doesn't really matter if Dave in particular is there or not, but if not him then I can name a LOT of musicians, actors, athletes and other entertainers that also have no business being on Wikipedia.

Anyhow, whatever. Does anyone actually use Wikipedia as a real source for information? It's OK to get an overview and maybe point you in the right direction, but it's not a very good "source", IMHO.
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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #85 on: October 12, 2015, 07:15:31 pm »
Anyhow, whatever. Does anyone actually use Wikipedia as a real source for information? It's OK to get an overview and maybe point you in the right direction, but it's not a very good "source", IMHO.
You are right, but my problem is often to find a real source that is better, because even official datasheets and product info is often wrong.
For me, wikipedia was always a very good summary: To know fast what 'it' is, but also what happens around 'it'


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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #86 on: October 12, 2015, 07:24:18 pm »
This story is all over the place.

"The Independent newspaper reported that this is exactly what has happened: hundreds of individuals and businesses were scammed by editors, who fraudulently claimed to improve reputations and even blackmailed subjects who didn’t pay up."


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/03/wikipedia_industrial_scale_smears_and_blackmail/
 

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #87 on: October 12, 2015, 09:30:06 pm »
Just one question: do you really care whether you're on Wikipedia or not?

Well, it would increase traffic to the EEVBlog...  ;D
 

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #88 on: October 13, 2015, 08:18:52 am »
Just one question: do you really care whether you're on Wikipedia or not?

Well, it would increase traffic to the EEVBlog...  ;D

My guess: He would be honoured and happy when he is,
but won't cry, manipulate or change things to be on it.
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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #89 on: October 24, 2015, 04:49:48 pm »
Sorry, haven't followed this for a while, what was the result?
I see the page is still there, and the deletetion notice has been removed. Did an a senior Wikipedian step in and declare it should remain?
Someone by the name of SageGreenRider has been doing a ton of work it seems.
 

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #90 on: October 24, 2015, 08:30:05 pm »
A quick read through the talk page shows that Ronz still has a giant stick rammed up his butt, and someone else has joined in as well (seems to have an axe to grind). They're getting slapped around by a couple of other editors that seem to actually know what they're doing. It's all very entertaining and some of these folks seem like cartoonish evil villains...one track minds, stubborn, bumbling. I could never be a Wikipedia editor and have to deal with guys like this all day long.
 

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #91 on: October 24, 2015, 08:34:27 pm »
Sorry, haven't followed this for a while, what was the result?
I see the page is still there, and the deletetion notice has been removed. Did an a senior Wikipedian step in and declare it should remain?
Someone by the name of SageGreenRider has been doing a ton of work it seems.

the reult is keep:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/David_L._Jones_(2nd_nomination)
 

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #92 on: November 20, 2015, 05:34:38 pm »
A quick read through the talk page shows that Ronz still has a giant stick rammed up his butt, and someone else has joined in as well (seems to have an axe to grind).

That "someone else" certainly does have an "axe to grind". It's none other than an infamous banned forum user who is responsible for spamming this forum along other things, taking down the forum and EEVblog website via fraudulent DMCA requests several times in the last month, and who is now very much on the radar of my web hosts legal department for these actions they are not at all pleased with.
Trivial to find this out on Google.
And he's no doubt reading this as all crazed stalkers do.
 

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #93 on: November 20, 2015, 07:12:31 pm »
A quick read through the talk page shows that Ronz still has a giant stick rammed up his butt, and someone else has joined in as well (seems to have an axe to grind).

That "someone else" certainly does have an "axe to grind". It's none other than an infamous banned forum user who is responsible for spamming this forum along other things, taking down the forum and EEVblog website via fraudulent DMCA requests several times in the last month, and who is now very much on the radar of my web hosts legal department for these actions they are not at all pleased with.
Trivial to find this out on Google.
And he's no doubt reading this as all crazed stalkers do.
That happens when you become more than a media puppet and get into a true geek warrior!

Congratulations! A real person has both enemies and friends. Don't give up, that's what they want you to do!

Professional scammers and corporate lobbies are against independent media ;)

The question is : Are you an enough brave and strong enough fighter for this war?
 

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #94 on: November 20, 2015, 07:33:47 pm »
There's a dispute page between wikipedia moderators:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:David_L._Jones

Our banned friend is involved. Can't say it's an unbiased party at the table.

 

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #95 on: November 20, 2015, 08:01:45 pm »
What is our good friend here aiming to gain from doing this? They've been at it for months...  :palm:
 

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #96 on: November 20, 2015, 08:29:40 pm »
A life? He has also been busy on github updating polices on bullying!! To think, I though he should have been given a another chance...
 

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #98 on: November 20, 2015, 10:17:55 pm »
A quick read through the talk page shows that Ronz still has a giant stick rammed up his butt, and someone else has joined in as well (seems to have an axe to grind).

That "someone else" certainly does have an "axe to grind". It's none other than an infamous banned forum user who is responsible for spamming this forum along other things, taking down the forum and EEVblog website via fraudulent DMCA requests several times in the last month, and who is now very much on the radar of my web hosts legal department for these actions they are not at all pleased with.
Trivial to find this out on Google.
And he's no doubt reading this as all crazed stalkers do.

You know, it's funny...my first thought was that it might be him, and then I figured, "Nah, who would waste this much time on something dumb like this?" I really hope that guy gets some help. This sort of anger and obsessiveness really isn't healthy.

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Re: Dave Needs Help To Stay On WIKI - A General Call For Help
« Reply #99 on: November 20, 2015, 10:30:22 pm »
Oh my word. I just glanced at the talk page for the article. I thought it had kind of calmed down and worked itself out, but it's gotten even more heated! Ronz and the other guy have turned this into some sort of personal vendetta. They're really behaving quite poorly. They've even accused one editor of being YOU.
 


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