Debunking the Round Earth Hypothesis

[cdev]

We are everywhere.





Some people have been brainwashed - if you examine it in an unbiased manner, you see the only way out is in.


There is no reason for using cars, liquor,tobacco or TV.  There is nowhere to go.

[rrinker]

 OK, forget watching that whole thing, I will likely break my new laptop if I have to listen to any more of that utter BS.

Water can't form a sphere? Plenty of experiments in zero-g prove it can. Heck I can make water curve with static electricity! Can't go beyond low Earth orbit? Oh, so the moon actually orbits really close to the Earth? Explain the radio transmission delay. Oh yeah, these same morons also think we didn't land on the moon. Go ahead and take that one up with Buzz Aldrin, but if he lays you out with a single punch for calling him a liar, don't blame me.

[Lightages]

I have watched the whole video. I barely have enough brain cells left now to write this post. Please only watch the video if you want to see how absolutely idiotic people can be. That people can believe this BS shows how stupid the human race really is on the whole. I am surprised we still exist.

[Halcyon]

cdev, I really don't understand the point of this thread. We all know it's bullshit, there is no reason to give it any more air time than it already gets.

Some people have been brainwashed - if you examine it in an unbiased manner, you see the only way out is in.

How can you possibly watch this crap with an unbiased view? It would basically mean forgetting science, mathematics and fundamental knowledge most of us learned in primary school.

[SMB784]

Clearly this is a joke. Nobody who posts on these forums is dumb enough to actually believe this garbage.

[hermit]

It was just plain so flat out bad and boring I didn't get far.  Oh, and disks are round.   

[Lightages]

Clearly this is a joke. Nobody who posts on these forums is dumb enough to actually believe this garbage.

Unfortunately this is not necessarily a joke. People can hold completely opposite models o reality on their heads at the same time. Some people actually believe that evolution is not real, that the universe is only 6000 years old, all the governments on the Earth are hiding UFOs, and that crystals on strings can diagnose cancer. Don't believe, for one moment, that people can be as stupid to believe flat Earth nonsense. Humans are idiots.

[taydin]

I think this flat earth BS is just a social experiment. The aim is to research ways to get people accept something that is complete non-sense. How far can you go, what techniques must you use to get people stop using their brain and just accept what's being told? Of course, we won't get the results of the study

[TerraHertz]

I'll say this AGAIN. The flat Eath garbage spew on the net is primarily an organized well-poisoning propaganda exercise. The core people originating this material don't believe it, they just get paid to produce ridiculous trash and pretend they're serious about it.
The purpose is to make rational people recoil from online discussion in revulsion - because that diminishes the quantity and quality of ALL online discussion of important topics. Such as government corruption, Globalist Elite agendas, general decline of individual freedoms, deliberate educational dumbing-down, etc.

Best response is to totally ignore all the clearly insane anti-science rubbish: flat earth, no moon landings, Nibiru, hollow Earth, over-unity gadgets, etc. I put AGW on the same list, but know most people don't get that one.

I notice cdev has a persistent focus on one particular political issue, which though significant, is quite abstract and difficult to get excited about. While he generally belittles any of a zillion other equally or more significant  conspiracy-related topics. Why is he wasting our time with flat Earth stuff? Would you care to explain your intent, cdev?

Don't believe, for one moment, that people can't be as stupid to believe flat Earth nonsense. Humans are idiots.

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Humans not educated from childhood in physics and the scientific method, history, logic, rational skepticism, memetics and the nature of cognitive bias, then subjected to a sophisticated mass-media propaganda conditioning program, can be made to believe anything. Literally anything.

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
-- William Casey, Director of Central Intelligence. An observation by the late Director at his first staff meeting in 1981. This observation reveals the mentality of cynicism which infests the US Federal control structures, and the reality that these structures regard the American people with total contempt.

[martinator]

The earth isn't round, it's spheroid.

[Circlotron]

At the 11 minute mark I totally zoned out and suddenly noticed how beautiful the background music was. So for me at least,  it wasn't a total waste of time. Now I gotta download it, strip out the audio using Audacity and see if Shazam can identify it. I hope so!

[sstepane]

- So the Earth stands on three elephants?
- Yes.
- And they stand on a whale?
- Yes.
- And the whale?
- On a huge turtle.
- And the turtle?
- Oh, I see where're you heading - there are turtles up to the bottom.

[A Hellene]

Once more:
Two and a half millennia ago, our forefathers KNEW that the Earth was spherical and our solar system was heliocentric:

Oh, my poor, poor forefathers...

While Eratosthenes measured the Earth's circumference with remarkable accuracy (<2% error!) by using a vertical wooden stick(!) during the second century BCE, Aristarchos of Samos was advocating the Heliocentrical model of our world since the third century BCE, while Anaxagoras consider the stars to be "fiery stones" since the fifth century BCE.
Eratosthenes was also the first to calculate the tilt of the Earth’s axis (again with remarkable accuracy). while he also calculated accurately the distance from the earth to the sun and invented the leap day. Additionally, he created the first map of the world incorporating parallels and meridians, based on the available geographical knowledge of the era.

And the subsequent Religions of the Desert (that were imposed by fire and sword and drove humanity into the thousand years long wretchedness of the Dark Ages) dogmatically decreed (with the penalty of torture and death for the dissentient ones) that the Earth was flat* (=with 'ends') and square** (=with 'four corners').

According to their own scripts:
(*) Deuteronomy 28: 64 (original script):

[64] And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

(**) Apocalypse of John 7: 1 (original script):

[1] And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Socrates: "It is said that the earth, if someone looks at it from above, is like the spheres (the balls) that consist of twelve tracks of different kind of skin (leather). It (the Earth) is a colorful sphere and each one of its places stand out by its own colors."
[Plato, 'Phaedo' or 'On The Soul', 110b]

According to Socrates, the ball skin was not made of a single piece of leather. It was made of twelve pieces of leather (with that number symbolising the beauty and the power of Twelve Olympians, or the Aether (from the verb aetho, meaning to scortch) that was represented by the Dodecahedron) that were sewn together with offal/intestines, and each one of these twelve pieces was also vividly coloured: Homer wrote in 'Odyssey' that 'Polybus made a beautiful purple ball' and Socrates said that the ball was a colorful sphere that resembled the Earth when someone looked at the Earth from above.

Regarding Spheres: Episkyros: The Hellenic game involving a sphere (a ball) that was later called the football

Finally, a nice question that even an eight-years old can understand:
What If The Earth Were Flat?



-George

[Circlotron]

According to their own scripts:
(*) Deuteronomy 28: 64 (original script):

[64] And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

(**) Apocalypse of John 7: 1 (original script):

[1] And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Have you never heard of a figure of speech? It is common even for astronomically literate people and organisations to speak this way even though it is technically incorrect. For example NASA often refers to the rising and setting of the sun and moon and various planets even though they do not actually "rise" and "set", it is only their apparent motion across the sky that gives rise to this incorrect but accepted statement.

https://www.google.com.au/search?dcr=0&ei=K8lAWsCuM4jW8QWp3pe4Cg&q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.nasa.gov+rise+set&oq=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.nasa.gov+rise+set&gs_l=psy-ab.3...10586.23592.0.23824.25.18.7.0.0.0.233.2606.0j10j4.14.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..5.4.843...0j0i67k1j0i46i67k1j46i67k1j0i131k1j0i10k1.0.l7UMbcGRGr4

[A Hellene]

Have you never heard of a figure of speech?

Of course I have heard of it; yet, I cannot accept this imbecile form of communication to be used by the so-called enlightened individuals who were absolutely literal when they were spreading the Word of their God(s), while they were burning down Hellenic knowledge libraries, and were also torturing and murdering any 'heretic' individuals that did not accept the 'divine knowledge' of their Religions of the Desert...

For example NASA often refers to the rising and setting of the sun and moon and various planets even though they do not actually "rise" and "set", it is only their apparent motion across the sky that gives rise to this incorrect but accepted statement.

Ah! That's because NASA communicates their science by using transliterated terms that belong to another extremely old language, the Hellenic language, since the English language did not exist before 900..1200 CE (this is when the very first English literature text, 'Beowulf,' was written).

Yet, if Dave did not restrict the use of the Greek character-set at his forum, since I am a native speaker of the Hellenic language I could easily analyse and explain in great detail the etymology of the Hellenic language terms Anatoli (rise) and Dysis (set) of a star.


-George

<EDIT> Grammar...

[mikeselectricstuff]

Easy challenge to flat-earth morons - when it's daytime , phone someone in <country we know  is on the other side of the earth). Ask if it's dark outside. 

[HighVoltage]

We have one relative in the family and he has fallen for this and it is pretty much the only subject he is talking about, when we get together; even for Christmas.

Well, what I have learned out of this discussion is the fact, that scientific reasoning does not help in any argument with such people. Best is to not put any oil on their fire and don't react to what they have to say.

[chris_leyson]

New years resolution, I must make the time to read some more Terry Pratchett

[EEVblog]

Easy challenge to flat-earth morons - when it's daytime , phone someone in <country we know  is on the other side of the earth). Ask if it's dark outside.

We should do an Indiegogo campaign to prove it!
We live on opposite sides of the glo... err, ends of the flat disk. We can Google Hangout and show outside the window, it'll be ground breaking research, millions will no doubt tune in live to see the result 
Profits go to some form of basic science education in Kindergartens.

[EEVblog]

Well, what I have learned out of this discussion is the fact, that scientific reasoning does not help in any argument with such people. Best is to not put any oil on their fire and don't react to what they have to say.

Response to such twits, be it flat earthers, UFO's, creationists, anti-AGW etc should be commensurate with their status and influence in society.
Some nutter with two Youtube subscribers, safely ignore. Those in position of power or influence, the only way to deal with them is by complete and utter ridicule. Because as you say scientific reasoning doesn't seem to work.

[Brumby]

I like the line - "and also figuring out other things on my own".

A truly compelling argument.   

[HighVoltage]

I like the line - "and also figuring out other things on my own".

A truly compelling argument.   

So many arguments in this subject matter are based on circular reasoning and the people arguing like this have not even a concept of what a circular argument is.

[A Hellene]

By the way, since today is the 25th of December,

Happy Winter Solstice to everyone!

Because this is exactly what the solar deity religions really celebrate: The rebirth of Sun that has always been blessing our home, the Eatrh, with its warm light, making the soil fertile, keeping the people warm and throwing the darkness, along with people's primitive fears, away.

For the record, the ancestor of the Christmas tree is Eiresione (a branch of olive or laurel, covered with wool, fruits, cakes and olive flasks in honour of Apollo, protector of sunlight, music, poetry, medicine and mysticism), which was the custom of the decorated tree that was broadcasted by the Hellenes to the northern peoples who, lacking of olive trees, adorned branches of their local trees in the name of the Sun (way before the Religions of the Desert and their derivatives --see: Marxism, Communism, etc,).


-George

[SMB784]

Response to such twits, be it flat earthers, UFO's, creationists, anti-AGW etc should be commensurate with their status and influence in society.
Some nutter with two Youtube subscribers, safely ignore. Those in position of power or influence, the only way to deal with them is by complete and utter ridicule. Because as you say scientific reasoning doesn't seem to work.

Where I'm from, the common people used to employ a highly effective punishment for public idiocy by people with power and influence: tarring and feathering.

[A Hellene]

Where I'm from, the common people used to employ a highly effective punishment for public idiocy by people with power and influence: tarring and feathering.

:-)


...from the Lucky Luke comics series


-George