EU ban of Winter Time

[Towger]

Just when computers and clocks become smart enough to change automatically between the Winter and Summer Time (Daylight Savings Time to you Yanks) the EU plans to do away with it. 

Juncker to recommend end of daylight saving time
 http://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2018/0831/990719-daylight-saving-time/

[Benta]

I look forward to it. I hate that time-changing cr*p two times a year. Every time it brings me out of whack for three weeks.

[Ampera]

DST is an invention that sort of only made sense a long time ago, and has absolutely no use today.

EU, set the example, get rid of DST, and may the world follow.

[Mr. Scram]

I look forward to it. I hate that time-changing cr*p two times a year. Every time it brings me out of whack for three weeks.

Survival of the fittest. With DST the strong have a competitive edge over the weak for six weeks a year. 

I don't care either way, though I would have liked them to look at the actual cost of both options rather than just asking people for opinions. Apparently there's an increase in road accidents after changing the time, but that could be offset by the extra productivity and people being more alert and seeing more later on. Policies should be evidence based, but I guess that you need to fight populists with populist measures.

[Brumby]

Did any of you actually read the second paragraph?


.... or did I misread it?

[mzzj]

Not going to miss it if we get rid of it some day.

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finland_to_lobby_eu_for_abolition_of_daylight_saving_time/10042340

[Karel]

"I will recommend to the commission that, if you ask the citizens, then you
have to do what the citizens say," Mr Juncker said.

That would be the first time that Mr Junker does what the citizens say...

[bloguetronica]

But if you take away daylight saving time, doesn't that leave you with "winter time"? Unless you now advance one hour all year round, and then you are permanently one hour wrong. These politicians know nothing. Not surprisingly, they never worked in their lives.

Kind regards, Samuel Lourenço

[PA0PBZ]

...and then you are permanently one hour wrong.

I don't think there is a 'wrong' here - after all it is just a convention.

[TheSteve]

I hate time change, I vote it is gone everywhere...

[Benta]

I look forward to it. I hate that time-changing cr*p two times a year. Every time it brings me out of whack for three weeks.

Survival of the fittest. With DST the strong have a competitive edge over the weak for six weeks a year. 

I don't care either way, though I would have liked them to look at the actual cost of both options rather than just asking people for opinions. Apparently there's an increase in road accidents after changing the time, but that could be offset by the extra productivity and people being more alert and seeing more later on. Policies should be evidence based, but I guess that you need to fight populists with populist measures.

This has already been done, and it's been shown that there are no advantages to time change regarding productivity, economy or power savings, rather the opposite on productivity.

It's a relict from WW I, where Germany and Austria/Hungary introduced it to save energy for lighting in the evening, energy that was transferred to war production instead. England and France did the same thing shortly after that.
It was reintroduced in WW II for the same reason.

Scrap it.

[emece67]

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[Gyro]

This has already been done, and it's been shown that there are no advantages to time change regarding productivity, economy or power savings, rather the opposite on productivity.

It's a relict from WW I, where Germany and Austria/Hungary introduced it to save energy for lighting in the evening, energy that was transferred to war production instead. England and France did the same thing shortly after that.
It was reintroduced in WW II for the same reason.

Scrap it.

In the UK we went one (hour) better, during WWII we went to Double daylight saving time to save on energy and give more daylight for crop harvesting.

[Benta]

Interesting, Gyro. First time I've heard of "double daylight time." Thanks.

[glarsson]

In the UK we went one (hour) better, during WWII we went to Double daylight saving time to save on energy and give more daylight for crop harvesting.

How can using daylight savings time give more daylight on a globe earth?

Why can't the farmers adjust their alarm clocks to wake them up two hours earlier instead of forcing the whole country to change all clocks?

[Gyro]

@Benta: Another of our secret weapons revealed. 

In the UK we went one (hour) better, during WWII we went to Double daylight saving time to save on energy and give more daylight for crop harvesting.

How can using daylight savings time give more daylight on a globe earth?

Why can't the farmers adjust their alarm clocks to wake them up two hours earlier instead of forcing the whole country to change all clocks?

It wasn't just the farmers. There was the 'Dig for Victory' campaign, where ordinary people were told to dig up their nice green lawns and rose bushes and plant vegetables instead. DDST allowed them more daylight to work on their gardens when they returned from work.

Edit: Nice light, even longer evenings still sound like a nice idea! Shame about the mornings.

Of course, the subject of daylight saving time is going to be more or less contentious depending on your latitude - I know the people of Scotland have strong views but I can't remember the details.

[bloguetronica]

...and then you are permanently one hour wrong.

I don't think there is a 'wrong' here - after all it is just a convention.

Not according to solar time. There is indeed a "wrong", unless you consider than the peak solar height now happens at 11:00, convention wise. But that wouldn't make sense, would it?

@Benta: Another of our secret weapons revealed. 

In the UK we went one (hour) better, during WWII we went to Double daylight saving time to save on energy and give more daylight for crop harvesting.

How can using daylight savings time give more daylight on a globe earth?

Why can't the farmers adjust their alarm clocks to wake them up two hours earlier instead of forcing the whole country to change all clocks?

It wasn't just the farmers. There was the 'Dig for Victory' campaign, where ordinary people were told to dig up their nice green lawns and rose bushes and plant vegetables instead. DDST allowed them more daylight to work on their gardens when they returned from work.

Edit: Nice light, even longer evenings still sound like a nice idea! Shame about the mornings.

Of course, the subject of daylight saving time is going to be more or less contentious depending on your latitude - I know the people of Scotland have strong views but I can't remember the details.

Easy fix without DST. First establish "winter" time, as it should be. Then establish that the working day should start at 8:00AM instead of 9:00AM, or 7:00AM instead of 8:00AM, depending on the case.

Kind regards, Samuel Lourenço

[rfspezi]

"I will recommend to the commission that, if you ask the citizens, then you
have to do what the citizens say," Mr Juncker said.

That would be the first time that Mr Junker does what the citizens say...

That's simply the cheapest and laziest way he tries to snatch a bit of sympathy from the people who incresingly mistrust him and his institution.

[bloguetronica]

"I will recommend to the commission that, if you ask the citizens, then you
have to do what the citizens say," Mr Juncker said.

That would be the first time that Mr Junker does what the citizens say...

That's simply the cheapest and laziest way he tries to snatch a bit of sympathy from the people who incresingly mistrust him and his institution.

It occurred to me that this may be a measure to distract from the real issues that EU is now facing. I don't expect him to do anything.

Kind regards, Samuel Lourenço

[bitseeker]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the semi-annual time change. It's even weirder in the US where daylight saving/summer time is most of the year long nowadays.

With the world being as connected as it is, I wouldn't mind if time zones went away as well. UTC everywhere. It'd make it a lot easier to coordinate teams and meetings across large countries and the rest of the world. After all, it's not like the southern hemisphere shifts their calendars by six months so that the seasons occur in the identically named months as the northern hemisphere.

[Brumby]

"We carried out a survey, millions responded and believe that in future, summer time should be year-round, and that's what will happen"

That reads to me like they would make "Summer time" (aka "Daylight saving") permanent.

[vk6zgo]

Hoping that, taking advantage of this ban, we in Spain do also fix our timezone displacement.

Why not?
Singapore used to be half an hour offset w.r.t Western Australia, Beijing, & some other trading partners in the region, so they changed it permanently.

[StillTrying]

"We carried out a survey, millions responded and believe that in future, summer time should be year-round, and that's what will happen"

If that question was asked of the general UK population, 52% would vote for summer time all year around, while thinking GMT is a government department, and BST is a cow disease. I wish I was joking.

[Benta]

"We carried out a survey, millions responded and believe that in future, summer time should be year-round, and that's what will happen"

If that question was asked of the general UK population, 52% would vote for summer time all year around, while thinking GMT is a government department, and BST is a cow disease. I wish I was joking.

Now THAT'S funny!!         

[vodka]

Hoping that, taking advantage of this ban, we in Spain do also fix our timezone displacement.

Why not?
Singapore used to be half an hour offset w.r.t Western Australia, Beijing, & some other trading partners in the region, so they changed it permanently.

That's an ideologic excuse, it don't have sense  to change the timezone GMT+1 to GMT +0.
 Why didn't it change the timezone when Franco died?.Considering ,that we began to swap the winter time to summer time in 1973 .

OFFTOPIC (By the strangers, here there are people that pretend to win the war ,when Franco is dead since 1975(Dead on the bed)).