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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2016, 06:41:18 am »
I don't think you're getting it... apparently Australian internet is so slow that transferring 40GB without NBN is inconceivable ;)

For many people in this country, yes it is.
Either because it's too sow, or because they have a data cap, and uploads almost always count.
A very good 1Mbps ADSL connection would take 88hours to upload 40GB.
I used to have to upload my videos at home because I had a 2.4Mbps upload instead of 1Mbps at the lab.
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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2016, 07:01:47 am »
Your going to struggle even with NBN users, as they will need to be on a fast upload speed, generally in aus it is only business accounts that have high upload speeds, his best bet may actually be a public library, as last time i used one it had symmetrical 100/100,

To others, internet accounts in australia tend to have very crippled upload speeds to discourage people running servers on there connections, though i stopped seeing the point of this when unlimited (not speed capped) data plans started popping up.
 

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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2016, 07:12:17 am »
Your going to struggle even with NBN users, as they will need to be on a fast upload speed, generally in aus it is only business accounts that have high upload speeds

Not really.
http://www.optus.com.au/shop/broadband/nbn/nbn-articles/how-fast-are-nbn-speeds
https://www.whistleout.com.au/Broadband/NBN-speed-tiers-explained
Tier 3 is 25M/10M
Tier 4 is 50M/20M
Tier 5 is 100M/40M

Tier 4 is from $60/month, and you'd be crazy to go for Tier 1 whcih is 1Mbps upload because it's hardly any cheaper.
I know this is still piss-poor compared to many countries, but for Australia this is pretty darn good.
 

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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2016, 09:35:35 pm »
In CZ it was start when someone wants to share (overpriced) dial-up with friend in heighborhood.
No problem to place UTP cable between flats in prefab panel building.
But for friends living across street, they need something wireless (infrared, laser, microwave).
Wi-Fi gets the optimal technology.
Later they can establish Voluntary association and rent out some better connection to Internet.
Now Wi-Fi is most used to distribution signal inside village and sometimes also from village to village and to nearest city.
Association also rent out fibre optics cable between villages or using microwave lines (same GHz, but not exactly Wi-Fi).
for about 15€ / month. No restrictions, no FuP, no bullshit.
Exactly.

What  is  the ten miles problem?
Are You asking: What is "last mile problem" ?
 

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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2016, 10:49:39 pm »
I think most if not all cable packages will have crippled upload speeds. Not only to stop people hosting stuff on their private lines, but it also saves bandwidth on the cable. They rather assign channels to more download speed than symmetrical upload, because that is what sells. With fiber a symmetrical line won't cost anything extra in terms of bandwidth, so it would make no sense to cripple it.

In the end only a very small proportion of the public needs high upload, and yet smaller needs it to be up 24/7 (business grade by now). I think for content creators it would even suffice to have a 100Mbit upload line for only 4 hours a week, on-demand. You could upload 175GB in 4 hours theoratically, so if careful that's plenty to upload 1 youtube video per day at 10GB a pop. However I guess the hardware on the street is the problem.

1Mbit internet in 2016 is ridiculous though. I still do know some people in NL that have ADSL because they live in remote area's, and I feel for them. They can basically only read the news online and hope to watch 1 YT when it's done prebuffering for 15 minutes. Online gaming is only possible when you turn off all other programs that communicate with the internet. I can't imagine basically 80% of the house holds in a country having to deal with that. It just plain sucks. Information is power, and the internet has it.

I think the most basic ethernet connection I can get through cable here is 20Mbit/2Mbit from KPN. However that provider is generally very expensive. Most other companies offer 40/4 or 50/5 as their basic package. Costs around 30-40 euro per month. Usually for 5-10 euro's extra you get telephone and television extra.

I currently have access to ethernet line from university campus, and get crazy speeds like 820Mbit down and 940Mbit up as of now with reasonably reliability (obviously it's a very stressed network). Don't want to sound like a dick (probably still do), but I will be spoiled when I move out of here back to a 100/10 connection.
Yet it is strictly forbidden to appoint any DNS record to my IP, so I can't host anything here unless I get explicit permission that it's for research, college or student life related stuff.
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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2016, 04:26:50 pm »
I think most if not all cable packages will have crippled upload speeds.
Fiber does not. Although, they're trying to prevent you from getting a symmetric line. New contracts will be 60/6 instead of 100/100.
I really like it. I've setup my OwnCloud and am not using any file cloud service anymore. Just mail.
 

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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2016, 04:58:12 pm »
Wish I could get the speed Dave has, at the prices he pays, but here it is not going to happen till they allow LLU, which will likely be the day after the heat death of the Universe. Fibre is coming slowly though, but, despite having 6 cables in the street, and a junction outside the door, it is coming on very slowly.

There is a retirement village running it's own VDSL 40M network, using a 400M line, which they get free for the next year from my DSL supplier. I want to retire there!
 

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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2016, 10:51:38 pm »
Gamalot - encrypt the files, put them on a thumbdrive and FedEx it to someone of the people who bragged about their othersideish upload speeds here for them to upload it.
Clearly that's why they posted their connection info, right?
 

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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2016, 01:15:46 am »
Wish I could get the speed Dave has, at the prices he pays

You mean the $400 a month I'm paying for 20M/20M, with a data cap?
 
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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2016, 11:09:14 am »
I think most if not all cable packages will have crippled upload speeds.
Fiber does not. Although, they're trying to prevent you from getting a symmetric line. New contracts will be 60/6 instead of 100/100.
I really like it. I've setup my OwnCloud and am not using any file cloud service anymore. Just mail.

Fiber != Cable I mean.

I mean cable like the old coax that shares television signal. It ofcourse has multiple TV channels, but also some frequencies dedicated to uplink and downlink data for phone and internet.
From Ziggo I used to see like 8 channels for download with 256 QAM, and only 1 maybe 2 uplink with a less advanced modulation scheme (presumably because the supplied modems are kinda crap).
Like this: https://ubeeinteractive.nl/images/Ubee_conf_basic_docsis.jpg

Offering fiber packages with no symmetric data is just evil. But I think the unsuspecting average consumer won't notice. They won't give a damn about it anyway, and it's probably an easy way for them to make some extra money to offer one more upgrade in their pricing scheme. :=\

And yes indeed, since I've got this Gigabit line I plan to cancel my VPS and move all that stuff onto a NAS/HTPC/server box. Possibly add a 3 euro/month website and mailbox in there, and I'm completely off cloud services.
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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2016, 03:34:38 pm »
 I'm very torn between running my own services or not. I used to, but at the time the best available connection I could get was a 144K symmetrical using IDSL (DSL over ISDN). My biggest problem was my meager pipe being clogged with spam - my spam filter kept it out of my mailbox, but it had to get there for my spam filter to discard it. Cloud based spam filters were off in the future. But still there were maintenance tasks to be done periodically. I got to the point where it was just a chore - I do the same sort of thing all day at work and when I get home I kind of just want my computer to work and not mess with it further. For the same reason I rarely open my computer and mess with it any more, I build it and it stays that way unless something fails or I've had it so long that it needs a bt of an upgrade.

 

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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2016, 04:27:32 pm »
Wish I could get the speed Dave has, at the prices he pays

You mean the $400 a month I'm paying for 20M/20M, with a data cap?

WTF?
I know Australia is quite vast, making the infrastructure expensive, but come on...

I'm paying something like 17 usd for a 30M/30M and an additional 5usd for a static IP.
I would rather give up on a few Ms off my DL rather than UL.

I'm guessing you're on a "business customer" tariff, with close to zero down time, but even those packages here would go for a 100 to 200 usd max.   

ISPs capping data here is quite rare for now.
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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2016, 08:02:10 pm »
WTF?
Yep.
You can get faster internet for a lot cheaper in the Middle of Nowhere, Russia than in bloody Sydney, Australia.
 

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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2016, 08:17:23 pm »
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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2016, 05:33:45 am »
WTF?
Yep.
You can get faster internet for a lot cheaper in the Middle of Nowhere, Russia than in bloody Sydney, Australia.

Australia is abysmally isolated though. Anything that leaves has to be routed through an ocean cable.
My 1Gbps box at Leaseweb Singapore only pushes 20Mbps to Sydney speedtest servers.

the population is pretty small for a high capital object such as a trenched cable. Wiki says Australia and Shanghai have about the same population.
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Re: Fast internet connection is money
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2016, 05:22:08 pm »
Middle of Nowhere, Russia
Over satellite???
 


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