Feminist Professor Thinks "Rigor" is Evil

[Cerebus]

Rigour and complexity aren't the same and if she was pointing that out she's right.I wasn't really listening.

Erm, what's the point if you're not actually going to listen. She allies scientific rigour with the other disparate uses of the word such as "a rigorous prison regime" or "rigorous exercise". She regards scientific rigour as exclusionary, presumably because rigour requires one to have some evidence to back up ones ideas, teachings and prognostications. Her real problem is with people who say her work is worthless because it had no rigorous underpinnings. Rigour is the big bad wolf to her intellectual straw house.

[MT]

If anybody thinks that all these kind the people are going to improve the society.  Forget you. All kind the activists(anti-systems, feminist and anti-facist) their main goal is destroy the actual system by any method. Their leaders(90%) don't come from marginal neighbourhood or guettos else the well-off families where they went to private schools.
Evidences: I only know the situation from Spain where determined activists and politicians anti-systems have hidden millionaries properties, business and prestiges private schools from Europe. The last case is a  anti-capitalist,feminist and anti-system exparlamentary  ran away to Ginebra(Switzerland)and she hasn't plan return.

Read "elites replacing elites and crowd psychology, etc" by Gusaf le Bon and others and all illusions vanishes. Hilter, Mosselini , Lenun , Thedore RoosWelt did and Donna Riley most likely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_Le_Bon

[Cerebus]

Gotta love when TerraHertz shows up with 50 paragraphs of tinfoil hat alarmism. Really have never understood why those outside the USA are so obsessed with what happens there?

Especially when the first 46 are pure McCarthyite drivel. In case some people didn't get the memo, history proved that the McCarthyites were talking rubbish.

Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

[MT]

Gotta love when TerraHertz shows up with 50 paragraphs of tinfoil hat alarmism. Really have never understood why those outside the USA are so obsessed with what happens there?

The list was kinda hilarious showing he have no clue whatsoever about the concept of "totalitarianism"
which is a(acknowledged) genetically defect in homo sapiens and as such appears in "all social constructs"
and often turns sapiens into homo stultum.

[Zero999]

It's strange to see people trying to grasp what the dear professor is on about, and whether she's serious. It's as if you have no idea of the context, and what these methods are for. Which is this:

On Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr. of Florida read a list of 45 Communist goals into the Congressional Record. The list was derived from researcher Cleon Skousen’s book “The Naked Communist.”

 1. U.S. should accept coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

 2. U.S. should be willing to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

 3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the U.S. would be a demonstration of "moral strength."

 4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

 5. Extend long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

 6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

 7. Grant recognition of Red China and admission of Red China to the U.N.

 8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

 9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the U.S. has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

 10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

 11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

 12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

 13. Do away with loyalty oaths.

 14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

 15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S.

 16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

 17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

 18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

 19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations that are under Communist attack.

 20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

 21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.

 22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.

 23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

 24.Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

 25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

 26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."

 27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

 28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state"

 29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

 30. Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

 31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

 32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

 33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

 34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

 35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

 36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

 37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

 38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

 39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose communist goals.

 40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

 41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

 42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political or social problems.

 43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

 44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

 45. Repeal the Connally Reservation so the U.S. cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.


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Saul Alinsky died about 43 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today.
Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books.
Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA
Education: University of Chicago
Spouse: Irene Alinsky
Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals
Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S.?
All eight rules are currently in play.

How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:
There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.
1) Healthcare – Control healthcare and you control the people.
2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible; poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the government and schools.
Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent, and it will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as "Useful Idiots."
The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S.

Cruel Hoax - Feminism & New World Order
by Henry Makow

Feminism, our official gender ideology, masquerades as a movement for women's rights. In reality, feminism is a cruel hoax, telling women their natural biological instincts are "socially constructed" to oppress them.

Feminism is elite social engineering designed to destroy gender identity by making women masculine and men feminine. Increasingly heterosexuals are conditioned to behave like homosexuals who generally don't marry and have children. Courtship and monogamy are being replaced by sexual promiscuity, prophesied in Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.

The Rockefellers and Rothschilds created feminism to poison male-female relations (divide and conquer.) Their twin objectives are depopulation and totalitarian world government.

http://everist.org/archives/links/__Feminism.txt

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The professor blathers on. It's just noise, Game Theory obfuscation, pretending there's constructive substance to a movement that is fundamentally about the deliberate destruction of Western society.
Trying to analyze and understand the process, her position and worth, is an utter and futile waste of time. There isn't anything real there at all. It's all just mind poison. Exactly as intended. A very effective tar-baby to entangle those who refuse to consider that deep, long term and very hostile conspiracies exist.

What a load of nonsense. Lots of that crap was written by religious fundamentalists, as a means to keep the existing powers in control of the population. I love the bit supporting homophobia: perhaps should scrap gay marriage because it will lead to population collapse?

Religion has been heavily used in the past to control people, just as much as Marxism.

Nearly all developed countries have publicly funded healthcare and gun control and many of them  have higher living standards, are freer and less communist than the US.

[DimitriP]

Gotta love when TerraHertz shows up with 50 paragraphs of tinfoil hat alarmism. Really have never understood why those outside the USA are so obsessed with what happens there?

Especially when the first 46 are pure McCarthyite drivel. In case some people didn't get the memo, history proved that the McCarthyites were talking rubbish.

Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

McCarthy may have been many things, but not completely wrong: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1996/04/14/was-mccarthy-right-about-the-left/a0dc6726-e2fd-4a31-bcdd-5f352acbf5de/?utm_term=.4bae277a2129

[DimitriP]

Gotta love when TerraHertz shows up with 50 paragraphs of tinfoil hat alarmism. Really have never understood why those outside the USA are so obsessed with what happens there?

Probably for the same reason those outside Czechoslovakia are concerned with what happens there

("obsessed" might be too strong of a word, implying focus on any one country. )

[Cerebus]

McCarthy may have been many things, but not completely wrong: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1996/04/14/was-mccarthy-right-about-the-left/a0dc6726-e2fd-4a31-bcdd-5f352acbf5de/?utm_term=.4bae277a2129

I somehow think that as a reliable record of history, a 1996 opinion piece from the Washington Post leaves a bit wanting.

[Cerebus]

Probably for the same reason those outside Czechoslovakia are concerned with what happens there

You do know that Czechoslovakia hasn't existed for a quarter of a century?

[daqq]

Probably for the same reason those outside Czechoslovakia are concerned with what happens there

Seeing as Czechoslovakia has been gone for 25 years, maybe you should check it again ;-) It divided into Slovakia (my country) and the Czech Republic.

Really have never understood why those outside the USA are so obsessed with what happens there?

Obsessed is a strong word, concerned and interested would be better. It's a very important country, and a lot of what happens there can affect the world we live in. Ideas spread (good and bad), crazy can be exported, particularly when the manufacturers teach and get a lot of attention and funding.

Basically, it would be preferable if the US remained sane in the long run (or at least not outright batfuckinsane) - that means say no to rabid SJW and say no to a heavily clergy influenced government... and a lot of other different influences.

[snarkysparky]

Lots of this social angst seems to have one underlying theme to me.  That of inherent intelligence and a growing fear of it in popular culture. 

Vast swaths of the public seem to see the writing on the wall unconsciously that in a world featuring never ending increases in complexity a subset of the population is set up to ride over the rest.

It's going to be very interesting

[LaserSteve]

I work in a Engineering College.  I'm stunned very few of you have analysed the School of Engineering Education, instead of just looking at Dr. Riley

School of Engineering Education is evidently  the first year administrative  "holding area" for incoming freshman at Perdue, Frosh  are there until admitted to the traditional Colleges...

http://catalog.purdue.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=8&poid=9753

Take a look at  the Faculty qualifications, read the faculty descripters,  It's set up more like a College of Education then a College of Engineering...

https://engineering.purdue.edu/ENE/People/Faculty

  I think you'll see your looking at something non-traditional that happened at Perdue. . Many of you being are thrown for a loop by seeing the argot of a traditional College of Education instead of the College of Engineering you grew up in.  I'm working on a Masters in Education, so I see and know the  "College of Education Pedagogy and Learning Theory " language and know more or less what I'm looking at.  Some how you have a think tank  there in applying the traditional liberal arts  "Classroom  Teacher" way of doing things and that specific  Pedagogy to teaching engineering.  How that happened, I have not a clue, its certainly unusual.  Ie set up an institute to try and improve a  professor's teaching style by teaching them what classroom skills you would instill in a elementary or high school teacher. For many of you, that "soft science" way of doing things would be very foreign when read. 

What stuns me is the number of people teaching in that college that started at Perdue, its a little strange to hire your own product that much.

Steve

[vodka]

Gotta love when TerraHertz shows up with 50 paragraphs of tinfoil hat alarmism. Really have never understood why those outside the USA are so obsessed with what happens there?

Because , the stupidity leftist of USA is terribly contagious . Here, the spanish leftist are every day crushing with the Spanish Civil War,  with the mass grave from the Spanish Civil War, with the kidnapped kids for Francoism where there are cases during the Socialist Goverment(80s-90s). Now , the spanish leftist are with the machist attacks and the rape herds. Sometimes watch the TV put off.

[Ampera]

Gotta love when TerraHertz shows up with 50 paragraphs of tinfoil hat alarmism. Really have never understood why those outside the USA are so obsessed with what happens there?

Because , the stupidity leftist of USA is terribly contagious . Here, the spanish leftist are every day crushing with the Spanish Civil War,  with the mass grave from the Spanish Civil War, with the kidnapped kids for Francoism where there are cases during the Socialist Goverment(80s-90s). Now , the spanish leftist are with the machist attacks and the rape herds. Sometimes watch the TV put off.

Wew lad, this is comparing apples and oranges. Not only is the political wing system a MASSIVE generalization, every single nation has a different flavour of left/center/right. I consider myself a leftist, but my opinions are not restricted to any specific political party or political wing.

Political discussion on this forum always amuses me as most of the people are actually really nice, give good, genuine opinions, throw in a few jokes for comedic relief, and we, at the end of the day, walk away with new ideas in our minds, a good discussion, and we may even have one or two new friends made.

The reason that these threads always go to pot, though, is one person throws a massive generalization, another person gets pissed off, and we then get this political pissing match that we have now.

To give an ounce of good, I think this thread, for the most part, was really really cool. Sides were shown, and ideas were thrown. I'm happy we came and got some cool discussion in.

[Gyro]

To quote the OP:

...
I expect this thread to get out of control and eventually locked like the previous one, so please try and surprise me...

[Ampera]

This thread has surprised me though. I don't think it's truly out of control yet. Threads only ever really get locked here if they get really cancerous and people start throwing virtual things.

I maintain my opinion that this was a good thread, and hope that when and if a similar topic comes up again here, we can have as good of a discussion as we did here.

Personally, once a thread reaches about 7-10+ pages, I stop following it unless I am REALLY invested in it. I don't like engaging on multi-hundred page topics as I feel I am missing out by not reading them all, and I don't want to read hundreds of pages of topics for something I am likely not that interested in anyways.

[Richard Crowley]

It was inevitable that the "dumbing-down" of education and ignorant "political correctness" would reach the "hard sciences" sooner or later.

It was observed that George Washington's Farewell Address was at the time readable and understandable by most uneducated farmers and children in primary school.   While, today, readibility index of the same text ranges from college/uni to post-graduate reading and comprehension level.  And I have seen 8th grade tests used back in the 1800s that college/uni students couldn't pass today.

Ref: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp

[Ampera]

I could read that. I didn't read the whole thing, but I could understand every word.

It does, however, make perfect sense. As language evolves, common words get deprecated and supplanted by new ones. They may still exist in the language, but the mannerisms and common usages of those words do not. This is also during the time of, or likely even before a lot of the American language reforms began (which still technically continue to this day).

Personally, I am about to enter college full time, and all my college experience is strictly in general purpose mathematics (I've done Calc 2 as my highest math course). I don't think this is unreadable by even people with a highschool reading level (I have a harder time reading older English books than this, though hard time doesn't mean I can't). I think your conclusion here is based on unreasonable expectations. I could imagine if you gave a dumb farmer with half an education a document from the 1500's, they would have an even harder time than an educated school student today would have reading this address.

[Richard Crowley]

I used an online readability website: https://readable.io/url/
Try it for yourself.

[Ampera]

I still maintain that your original premise is a bit pessimistic. I could most likely have read that even when I was 11-12. Granted, I've always been a very strong reader, but I think that website is working on a more pessimistic basis.

[Cerebus]

What stuns me is the number of people teaching in that college that started at Perdue, its a little strange to hire your own product that much.

Not if only they are socialized to your very strange little world and everybody from outside that you interview to hire goes "What?!?!".

BTW -  we did look at the fact that it's an engineering education department the last time that Dr Riley's strange world view was examined in these parts, but perhaps people have forgotten.

[lem_ix]

How prevalent are such ideas in US universities? At first you think it's just a few nutjobs, but more and more of these vids are poping up. Scary, as US tends to export trends abroad.

[Cerebus]

This thread has surprised me though. I don't think it's truly out of control yet. Threads only ever really get locked here if they get really cancerous and people start throwing virtual things.

Shouts: Snowball! [FX: throws snowball] (It's quite white and cold here, for London.)

[KL27x]

Dr Riley is not a threat to the scientific process. She has some ideas about the culture of the engineering profession and some weird ways of incorporating etymology and making controversial statements. Even if she is dumb enough to believe herself, literally, she isn't a threat to US education. There's no way anyone in the curriculum department would remove the scientific process from science, to remove the proof and the math and the calculations, and replace it with "creativity" and "social impact." She is making a point, and the reaction is overblown. It's not like she is running the US department of education. She's a relative nobody making her mortgage payment, like the rest of us schleps. This is a nonstory, but one which gets such a big reaction, probably because engineering IS actually full of male chauvenists?

She is a bad example/prepresentative of female engineer. Giving her more attention than she is due (which should be pretty close to none) is going out of our way. And it says something about us for the length of this thread. And about Dave for posting this drivel.  Now, the posts in the video are much worse, I gotta say. This forum isn't all that bad. But I can't believe the idiocy of the guy that made that video. What a hypocrite and fool.

[Richard Crowley]

It's not like she is running the US department of education.

But people exactly like her ARE running the US department of education.  People who believe in "equal outcome" vs. "equal opportunity".  In this area I think the European model is more viable and practical.