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I got a vacuum pump
« on: November 18, 2013, 08:50:35 am »
Saved this old little unit from the scrap heap a little while ago. The novelty of boiling water at room temperature is starting to wear a bit thin now though, no less due to the fact that just about every dummy I give a demonstration to replies with something along the lines of "it's just sucking the air out of the water, feel the flask, it's not even hot".  ::)

So what else can I do with it then in the electronics workshop? It's really bloody heavy for its size and makes a good door stop. At a previous place of work one of these was used for the vacuum table of the in-house designed and built ultraviolet PCB exposure box, but that was retarded overkill.
 
 
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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2013, 08:56:32 am »
It really sucks, doesn't it? :P

You can try making your own vacuum tubes...
 

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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2013, 09:00:15 am »
Fibreglassing?
Making an industrial strength desoldering gun?
 

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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2013, 09:05:26 am »
Fibreglassing?
Awesome silicone molds anyway...
 

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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2013, 09:05:33 am »
Make Nixie tubes. There is quite a fan base for such things so you could sell quite a few, especially if you made LARGE ones.
 

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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2013, 09:09:42 am »
Vacuum forming of plastic or even thin sheet metal. Get some heat lamps and you could even make your own enclosures.
 

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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2013, 09:38:45 am »
Desoldering station / smd vacuum pincet. As I posted before to someone else:
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I have a chemical vacuumcapable glass bottle of I guess some 5 liters that I suck vacuum with the pump till -0,8bar, this is the vacuumreservoir so the pump does not have to run all the time. Can go deeper but that is not neccessary for this application.
I have built a microcontroller that polls a vacuumsensor (which switches off around -0,7bar) and then I add some wait time to get some more vacuum. I have a festo two way vacuumvalve that i then shut off the pump to the vessel so that the pump gets air again. Then switch the pump off.
With two footswitches I switch other vacuum valves from the vessel to the weller solder iron or the vacuum pincet.

So there is the pump ---- valve1 ---- vacuumbottle ---- valve2 ---- weller.
                                                      |                           |_valve 3 ---- pincet.
                                                  vac sensor

For tubes and valves I use the blue Festo tubes and Festo valves.
Works like a charm and kicks ass of each of these lame $20 vacuumpumps that make a lot of noise when you desolder.
 

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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2013, 11:17:19 am »
It really sucks, doesn't it? :P

You can try making your own vacuum tubes...


Hmm.... need a little more kit than just a vacuum pump though. Quite an impressive amateur video here:

Hand Made Vacuum Tubes by Claude Paillard
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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2013, 11:24:15 am »
How about an industrial strength penis enlarger?  ;D





Not that I would need one though. I quite like the idea for the super solder sucker, but only if there is a practical way to have a solder collection reservoir separate from the hand gun. My pet hate with these things is the is little canister (with a stupid internal spring collector in our Hakko at work) that gets clogged up and is a pain to clean out after 5 minutes of desoldering. 
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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2013, 11:54:52 am »
I quite like the idea for the super solder sucker, but only if there is a practical way to have a solder collection reservoir separate from the hand gun. My pet hate with these things is the is little canister (with a stupid internal spring collector in our Hakko at work) that gets clogged up and is a pain to clean out after 5 minutes of desoldering.
Maybe do something like how some dust collectors work?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclonic_separation
 

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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2013, 12:07:48 pm »
The main hurdle as I see it is with the solder cooling down, solidifying and clogging the vacuum hose to the reservoir.
 
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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2013, 01:19:45 pm »
Well naturally the first thing is to make marshmallows expand; that novelty lasts a bit longer! They are handy for degassing mixtures when moulding or using potting compound; this means you don't get little bubbles of gas left in the potting which makes it much stronger.
You can use it for testing pressure sensors when connected almost directly or whole devices if you put a rough chamber together, I've got a spare one but I think the shipping to Australia might be prohibitive! It's also interesting to see how hot devices get without air to conduct heat away.
And you could use it to test a high altitude balloon!
 

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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2013, 01:49:12 pm »


Eeeek!  Please don't take anything kipkay does as real.  He makes videos just for the money.  Half of what he does is faked is some way or the other. (ok 10% of his videos are faked in one way or the other - the rest are link bait.)

Vacuum forming of plastic or even thin sheet metal. Get some heat lamps and you could even make your own enclosures.

Not enough flow - the part would cool way before a the part would be sucked down to the mold.  You really want a plan old shop vac.  Lots of flow.
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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2013, 03:31:01 pm »
What about DIY freeze drying? You'll also need a very good refrigeration system to do it, but now you have the pump to take the air out of the pipes. Get some old refrigerators and make a cascade with R134a or R152a for the first stage and R410a for the second stage. Should be pretty easy to get it to pull down to -60C or so, maybe even better.
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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2013, 04:44:09 pm »


Eeeek!  Please don't take anything kipkay does as real.  He makes videos just for the money.  Half of what he does is faked is some way or the other. (ok 10% of his videos are faked in one way or the other - the rest are link bait.)

Vacuum forming of plastic or even thin sheet metal. Get some heat lamps and you could even make your own enclosures.

Not enough flow - the part would cool way before a the part would be sucked down to the mold.  You really want a plan old shop vac.  Lots of flow.
In the mid 70's I used to make steel frames for a company called Lexel Lamb that did vaccum forming of 8X4 foot plastic sheets for street decorations at Christmas, they used quite a small pump a mold made of clay or plaster with lots of holes in it and a big bank of infra red lamps over the work no frame was used to hold the plastic sheet it just flopped over the mold and the final puul dow was done by the vacuum.
 

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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2013, 06:34:24 pm »
If you have been boiling water with it you really do need to change the oil as otherwise the water vapour in it will destroy the pump chamber. I change the oil in mine every ferw uses, or when I see it change colour from the regular light straw colour. Oil is very cheap compared to a good pump.
 

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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2013, 08:41:29 pm »
If you have been boiling water with it you really do need to change the oil as otherwise the water vapour in it will destroy the pump chamber. I change the oil in mine every ferw uses, or when I see it change colour from the regular light straw colour. Oil is very cheap compared to a good pump.
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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2013, 10:32:17 pm »
Ben Krasnow has some really cool stuff on youtube using those thing.  Every thing from electron microscopes to vapor deposition circuits.
 

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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2013, 10:49:03 pm »
You can also close the vacuum inlet and run it for a while, a lot of the dissolved water will  evaporate and migrate out the exhaust due to the vacuum. But yes, the oil is hygroscopic and should be changed regularly.
 

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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2013, 10:55:04 pm »
If you have been boiling water with it you really do need to change the oil as otherwise the water vapour in it will destroy the pump chamber. I change the oil in mine every ferw uses, or when I see it change colour from the regular light straw colour. Oil is very cheap compared to a good pump.


OK, thanks for the tip. The oil in it still looks OK and is yellow in colour, but is decades old now. The pump was sitting unused in storage from at least the '80s.
What do you use yours for?
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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2013, 01:12:33 am »
BTW, how fiddly are these things on the inside? If I open up the pump housing aiming to give it a wash and cleanout I'm not going to have springs and cogs and other bits and pieces spewing out onto the bench top, am I? Any perishable rubber seals inside?
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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2013, 01:20:04 am »
Biggest thing to watch for is make sure you put the vanes back in the same way they came out. don't mix and match and turn them around. (shouldn't matter that much but if it has thousands of hours on it, then it might)
you'll need to make new seals, or buy new. (i've used paper coated in grease)

also, don't boil water if you want to pull high vacuums.

one thing i've done is make my own vacuum pump oil by pulling a vacuum on a gallon wine jug filled with synthetic motor oil, with a 1500 watt space heater under it, and a shell around it to direct the air flow around the glass. ended up pulling a vacuum on the oil for a few days, at about 70C. when you first turn the pump on you're going to get something equivalent to putting soap in a fountain, so don't fill the jug more than half way.
 

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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2013, 01:27:43 am »
Do any high voltage transformer stuff?
If so you could use it for vacuum varnishing, although it also would also require applying positive pressure after the vacuum stage

I just scored what looks like an old dentists pump. Although the intermediate canister (the one that catches the gunk) looks empty from the outside, I'm not game to touch it just yet :scared:
 

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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2013, 07:27:30 am »
Here is a teardown I did on an Edwards RV8 vacuum pump. It should give you an idea of what you will encounter.

http://www.instructables.com/id/RepairingCleaningUnsiezing-Edwards-RV8-vacuum-pu/

As others said, do change the pump oil. It gets old and can gunk up things. Oil tends to be relatively inexpensive so if it's been sitting a while; change it.


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Re: I got a vacuum pump
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2013, 07:35:11 am »
AND as a reminder to everyone disassembling something - before and as you pull it apart  - these new things called smartphones have a camera.

So take lots of photos.
 


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